<waddlesplash>
zdykstra: no, it's just based on the system font size
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<zdykstra>
Ahh.
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<zdykstra>
I have to say that the haiku icons look utterly amazing on a 4k screen. They're absolute perfection.
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<win8linux[m]>
<andreasdr> "Looks like the color scheme is..." <- The colour schemes are in the `flatstyle`package.
<win8linux[m]>
<andreasdr> "Looks like the color scheme is..." <- The colour schemes are in the `flatstyle` package.
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<nephele>
Is there an equivalent command to inspect package contents to opening them with the HaikuDepot gui? The GUI is broken (inaccesible) and I need to check package contents for a port I am working on
<nephele>
workaround seems to be to install them first, hmm.
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<matt1>
h+i
<matt1>
ops : hi
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<andreasdr[m]>
win8linux: Oh thank you.
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<matt1>
hi
<nosycat>
Hello!
<matt1>
Hello!
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<nosycat>
The contrast between Qt5 apps and Gtk3 apps on Haiku is striking.
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<bjorkint0sh>
which do you prefer, nosycat?
<nosycat>
Qt5 apps look native. There's no contest.
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<pairisto[m]>
Hello everyone, I am interested in becoming a GSoC contributor to Haiku for the project of implementing VPN Support (OpenVPN for now). I wanted to know where people got started with contributing to the project and any tips anyone has to make the learning process of understanding the OS. Another question is if anyone knows what the current state of VPN support for the OS is since the project description just says "Haiku's VPN implementation
<pairisto[m]>
is severely lacking"?
<pairisto[m]>
s/current/exact/
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<zdykstra>
as far as I know, there are no supported VPNs in Haiku
<zdykstra>
closest thing would probably be an SSH tunnel
<pairisto[m]>
fair, is there an openssl lib on Haiku? As far as I can search there isn't but that could be me. Though I do also know the TUN/TAP drivers are basically non-existent
<pairisto[m]>
* Hello everyone, I am interested in becoming a GSoC contributor to Haiku for the project of implementing VPN Support (OpenVPN for now). I wanted to know where people got started with contributing to the project and any tips anyone has to make the learning process of understanding the OS easier. Another question is if anyone knows what the exact state of VPN support for the OS is since the project description just says "Haiku's VPN
<pairisto[m]>
implementation is severely lacking"?
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<PulkoMandy>
I'm not sure who wrote that. "severly lacking" is an understatement
<PulkoMandy>
so the first step in that project would be trying to get this to compile and talk with our network stack I think? maybe mmu_man can help, I think he wrote this driver
<PulkoMandy>
but this file seems mostly empty and doing nothing so far
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<whoDat>
How do i fix my "Featured Packages" tab in HaikuDepot, it is completely empty? Wanted to try installing gimp and its not listed. This is an install of Haiku on a VM from a year or more ago, but I did just upgrade everything using SoftwareUpdater.
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<whoDat>
Also, SoftwareUpdater gives me the error "Refreshing repositoring "HaikuPorts" failed"
<botifico>
[haiku/website] kallisti5 26c8ed2 - guide: Drop fdt/dtc requirements (#621)
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<zdykstra>
whoDat: what happens if you run 'pkgman update' from a terminal?
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<whoDat>
~> pkgman update 100% repochecksum-1 [65 bytes] Validating checksum for Haiku...done. Refreshing repository "HaikuPorts" failed 0%: Resource not found Nothing to do.
<pairisto[m]>
<PulkoMandy> "so the first step in that..." <- thank you for that I will be looking more into it. from what I have read so far and from the source code of OpenVPN that I've looked at, OpenVPN has its own TUN/TAP drivers for it so maybe writing the driver could be overlooked? I would still need to talk to the network stack so I'll look for any resources about network driver writing for Haiku
<pairisto[m]>
* for that, I
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<pairisto[m]>
* for that, I, * be overlooked (though they are probably more linux specific)? I
<PulkoMandy>
I don't really know a lot about this area. If they are kernel-side drivers for Linux, they won't work out of the box and will need a rewrite or major modifications
<PulkoMandy>
is there some documentation somewhere about how openvpn works?
<pairisto[m]>
sort of, I've mostly been going through their website and any other material that references the inner workings of the program along with just looking at the source code. agreed though that there will probably be major rewrites either way, do you know anyone that would be able to help in that area?
<pairisto[m]>
* know anyone in the community that would
<PulkoMandy>
well maybe mmu_man if he's around, probably axeld but he isn't super available these days. We are still figuring out who will be mentoring for GSoC this year (and I guess it also depends on who applies as a contributor and on which projects)
<PulkoMandy>
if no one else replies here you can try the forum or the haiku-development mailing list
<pairisto[m]>
the project description says kallisti5 is the mentor so I don't know if I could reach out to him or not as well?
<pairisto[m]>
s/him/them/
<PulkoMandy>
kallisti5[m] may know a few things about it too, yes :)
<kallisti5[m]>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<pairisto[m]>
oh sick
<PulkoMandy>
(I think the mentors listed on the GSoC pages are from last year but no one added or removed themselves so I assume it's mostly up to date)
<kallisti5[m]>
The TUN/TAP project is a moderate one. We need a lot of work to support it.
<kallisti5[m]>
I wrote a tunctl thing, but my understanding of how it should work is weak
<kallisti5[m]>
it was only a few hundred lines and just issued some ioctl
<PulkoMandy>
it looks like the TUN driver is shared between Linux, FreeBSD and Solaris. If that's the case, we may be able to port that easily to Haiku? We can't be that different from all 3 of these?
<kallisti5[m]>
*tunconfig
<kallisti5[m]>
yeah.. whatever we do it needs to be generic enough to work with things beyond openVPN too
<PulkoMandy>
maybe the first thing to test with is running qemu in tun or tap mode? since we already have qemu that would allow to focus on the driver side and leave the upper layers of the VPN aside at first?
<tqh>
wireguard is even part of the linux kernel nowadays
<kallisti5[m]>
yup. I used it for all my VPN's lately. much easier to configure too.
<kallisti5[m]>
just some public / private keys like ssh + some ip info
<PulkoMandy>
so maybe not such a great idea after all
<kallisti5[m]>
you can test by tunconfig create blah blah, tunconfig destory blahblah.
<kallisti5[m]>
^^ easy to play and debug on a live system without needing to reboot a thousand times like driver development
<kallisti5[m]>
pairisto: for a dev environment, you'll likely be doing a lot of "running haiku, building drivers, putting them into /boot/system/non-packaged/add-ons/net/.../tun, then trying them
<pairisto[m]>
thank you for the info!
<pairisto[m]>
thank you kallisti5 PulkoMandy and tqh
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<AmitTripathi[m]>
Hello Everyone
<AmitTripathi[m]>
I was going across Haiku Project Ideas lately and realised my tech stack fits into none. I am more oriented towards Web Development
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<PulkoMandy>
yes, we don't do a lot of that
<AmitTripathi[m]>
But from childhood , it was one of my aspirations to work on operating system, or build my own. After getting admission into University, I realised it's no easy stuff, that's why got Inclined towards Web
<AmitTripathi[m]>
But I still want to work upon this Organisation.
<AmitTripathi[m]>
this one sounds easy, what languages do I need to learn in order to start working on this
<PulkoMandy>
All applications for Haiku are written in C++
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<AmitTripathi[m]>
I know C++, but not at Development level
<augiedoggie>
someone should add a gsoc project to rewrite the buildmaster web interface
<AmitTripathi[m]>
just a little confused with GSOC time line, we have to make MRs till 20 March
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<AmitTripathi[m]>
and then after send Project Ideas
<PulkoMandy>
the idea is to write your proposal during this period. Based on one of our project ideas, you can write a document a few pages long, explaining what you plan to do during the summer
<PulkoMandy>
in the case of Haiku, we also ask that you submit at least one "code sample" so we can check if you know enough C++ (or whichever language you're going to use if it's not C++) so we can see that you're able to write some code, test it in Haiku, and follow our coding style guidelines
<PulkoMandy>
augiedoggie, why not, but it needs someone to mentor it
<AmitTripathi[m]>
Like I should able to make few quality pull requests and get them merged.
<AmitTripathi[m]>
and then send Project Proposal after 20 march
<PulkoMandy>
you can share work-in progress versions of your proposal before that if you want, so we can review it, ask more questions, suggest improvements
<AmitTripathi[m]>
thanks. :)
<AmitTripathi[m]>
yeah.. I haven't started writing the project proposal yet
<AmitTripathi[m]>
looking for some nice ideas to contribute and get comfortable first
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<PulkoMandy>
yes, it's very early for now :)
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<PulkoMandy>
but every year we get some people who send us a proposal at the last second (or duing the last day) without having discussed anything first
<PulkoMandy>
usually it doesn't work well
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<AmitTripathi[m]>
thanks for the advice sir, I would make sure I will send it early .
<AmitTripathi[m]>
s/will//
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<AmitTripathi[m]>
<AmitTripathi[m]> "I know C++, but not at Developme..." <- PulkoMandy:
<PulkoMandy>
well, you can learn more about it :) you can have a look at some of the project ideas and try looking at the sourcecode of one of the apps to see if it makes sense to you
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<HaikuUser>
hello
<HaikuUser>
I can not to install Psi+ and Vacuum
<HaikuUser>
why?
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<HaikuUser>
and Telegram I installed
<HaikuUser>
nothing provides lib:libtidy>=5.7.0 needed by psi_plus-1.4.1514-1
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<zdykstra>
hmm, so with focus follows mouse enabled, if you mouse over the yellow tab on a window in the foreground, the window behind it will receive focus
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<zdykstra>
it looks like the mouse has to stay in the window frame, the decorator is ignored - is that working as intended?
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<PulkoMandy>
Sounds like a bug, I have never noticed it
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