<rennj>
has thrust the software engineering community into the same debate artists, journalists, and business people are having about the impact of AI on their futures.
<rennj>
The novel depicts a dystopia of automation partly inspired by the author's time working at General Electric, describing the negative impact technology can have on quality of life
<rennj>
commit code for google other day....
<rennj>
After years of day-to-day absence, Google cofounder Sergey Brin filed a request
<rennj>
for access to code related to the company's natural language chatbot, LaMDA. For
<rennj>
bes reports:
<rennj>
ChatGPT Sets Record For Fastest-Growing User Base
<andreasdr>
Arrr. Everyone can program now!!! Money! Money! Money!
<rennj>
ChatGPT, the popular chatbot from OpenAI, is estimated to have reached 100 million monthly active users in
<rennj>
January, just two months after launch, making it the fastest-growing consumer application in history, according to a UBS study on Wednesday. Reuters reports
<rennj>
released in November
<andreasdr>
I guess if its gets not better Its only a hype. But lets see.
<andreasdr>
Everyone can paint now too without ever having learned to paint :DDD
<andreasdr>
Hihi
<rennj>
cant wait to see how m$ bakes it into winblows
<rennj>
openai m$ backed
<rennj>
fakebook and such
<rennj>
reading about how winblows11 takes 20GB of diskspace from my 350MB os
<rennj>
probably switching to kvm/qemu now that vmware is 500MB+...just to keep below 400MB
<rennj>
OpenAI conducts AI research to promote and develop friendly AI in a way that benefits all humanity. The organization was founded in San Francisco in 2015 by Sam Altman, Reid Hoffman, Jessica Livingston, Elon Musk, Ilya Sutskever, Peter Thiel and others,[5][1][6] who collectively pledged US$1 billion. Musk resigned from the board in 2018 but remained a donor. Microsoft provided OpenAI LP a $1 billion investment in 2019 and a second multi-year investment in Janu
<rennj>
ary 2023, reported to be $10 billion.
<rennj>
haha
<rennj>
m$ went all in
<rennj>
more than oracle paid for sun micro (sunw)...
<andreasdr>
EVEN I CAN PAINT NOW
<andreasdr>
Arrrrrr.
<andreasdr>
You will suffer from all my visual art :DDD
<BrunoSpr>
Begasus, jmairboeck... TeXstudio works now in 32bit Haiku nightly... yesterday night I tried to run it... very nice work! Even if it needs all the language packages for now! Looks great so far and usefull even on my slow Intel Atom 32bit
<jmairboeck>
nice to hear, BrunoSpr!
<BrunoSpr>
jmairboeck... seems very compicated with all the languages available... Very tough task for you and begasus, but if it works now out of the box it will be very usefull for students
<BrunoSpr>
at least for european for the moment....
<BrunoSpr>
will try 64bit now... I am sure it will work now! Let's go...
<BrunoSpr>
bbs
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<BrunoSpr>
jmairboeck and Begasus... TeXstudio 64bit new Version works very well, well done, great to have! Will let my son test it asap! Great step for students!
<BrunoSpr>
HI all... The only thing missing with Windows and Tabs is: Haiku should remember its Windows and Tabs positions
<BrunoSpr>
Even when the tabs are moved by "shift"
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<BrunoSpr>
That way I could arrange the windows and tabs the way I like (the user) getting back the program and its corrosponding tabs and windows by restarting the app
<BrunoSpr>
Any way... TeXlive and TeXstudio are alive now! I hope to get some students interessted in using and testing it ;-)
<Forza>
Good morning :)
<Forza>
kallisti5[m]: hi have you had a chance to look at the PR on Github for my updated ip for the mirror ?
<Anarchos>
hello BrunoSpr
<Anarchos>
BrunoSpr i ported texlive in 2011 if i guess correctly :)
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<BrunoSpr>
Anarchos... Very nice after all the time it is fully usable and easy to install now! Very great work thanks to all involved!
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<BrunoSpr>
Hi all... Muse Score does playing notes without MIDI now, thats fun!
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<Anarchos>
BrunoSpr sorry i crashed
<BrunoSpr>
what crashed?
<Anarchos>
my network connection
<Anarchos>
BrunoSpr my wifi repeater is at 3 meters but my laptop looses connectivity often...
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<Forza>
Anarchos: lots of broken chipsets out there
<Forza>
Maybe replace the WiFi ap
<Anarchos>
Forza ap ?
<Forza>
Access point = your repeater
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<Anarchos>
Forza it is plugged for weeks, maybe i should switch it off and on
<Forza>
What wifi standard do you use with it?
<Anarchos>
Forza no idea
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<BrunoSpr>
Maybe it is to near?
<BrunoSpr>
Happens to me
<BrunoSpr>
bbl
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<Forza>
Anarchos: especially the old wireless '.n' access points are terrible
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<Begasus>
'lo peeps
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<Begasus>
bugger missed Bruno again: but things seems to work out ok there: 12:16 <BrunoSpr> jmairboeck and Begasus... TeXstudio 64bit new Version works very well, well done, great to have! Will let my son test it asap! Great step for students!
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<Begasus>
jmairboeck, checked another example this morning, it missed another package (humane...) don't remember the exact name, but was able to find it and after that it was ok :)
<Begasus>
so I'm guessing for now TeXstudio is fine ;)
<jmairboeck>
I just tested it also, on my 64 bit nightly, it works here too
<Begasus>
thanks for checking! I guess depending on the "package_used" some need installing afterwords, but that should be fine for now :)
<jmairboeck>
I had to delete some files from ~/config/var/texmf though, it was complaining that they were created with another version and are incompatible
<jmairboeck>
but given my previous experiments that was no surprise
<Begasus>
yeah, probably a bit the same here, but they were ok, so I removed/deleted all things I could find for texlive/texstudio before going back again
<jmairboeck>
now we just have to get lilypond going :)
<Begasus>
the issue I had earlier this morning was with "usepackage{lingmacros}"
<Begasus>
yeah!
<jmairboeck>
then I'm "done" with my quest of the last two years or so ...
<Begasus>
anything I can do to test there?
<Begasus>
;)
<jmairboeck>
there is 1 open PR about texinfo on 32 bit, and the fontconfig/haikuporter issue on the build machines
<Begasus>
k, seems that "makeinfo" is still an issue there?
<Begasus>
it wouldn't break any recipes currently using the gcc2 build imho, any thoughts PulkoMandy ?
<Begasus>
ah, shouldn't break anything then
<PulkoMandy>
yes, as jmairboeck replied, should be no problem
<Begasus>
over 7 years ago on the older version :)
<Begasus>
ok, let's merge this one then and move over to the next problem (fontforge)
<jmairboeck>
ah yes, that one is also not yet solved really
<jmairboeck>
another question: there was someone in the forum asking about the antlr-cpp runtime. If we package antlr, how should we do that? I have 2 questions about that:
<Begasus>
think I had some issues trying to build that one jmairboeck
<Begasus>
but it's been a while ...
<jmairboeck>
it is not that much of a hassle, nearly standard cmake, though it will require some patching
<jmairboeck>
their cmake build builds both a static and a shared version
<Begasus>
no "option" to disable it?
<jmairboeck>
so my first question: which one should we keep here? technically that would be in the same realm as flex (it is also a parser generator, generating source code), but quite a bit bigger I suppose
<jmairboeck>
I have seen no option, but the cmake needs patching anyway for some of the paths
<jmairboeck>
and the second question: (how) should we package the antlr tool itself? it is based on java. Can we just put the existing jar in a package, or should we build it "properly"?
<Begasus>
jmairboeck, are the static and shared library the same name?
<jmairboeck>
internally not, they are different targets in CMake, but they are installed under the same name
<Begasus>
no idea about java, but there should be some examples at haikuports?
<jmairboeck>
okay, I think I'll acually start with the recipes and then let's see
<Begasus>
should get you going for the next year :)
<jmairboeck>
antlr is not that much of a problem
<jmairboeck>
I'm just packaging stuff where I have some experience elsewhere it seems (besides texlive)
<Begasus>
np, we all do :)
<jmairboeck>
on the other hand: most of that experience comes from Windows, because that's what we use at work
<Begasus>
would be nice, seeing there is no Ethernet port :)
<OscarL>
ouch!
<Begasus>
had to disable secure boot to be able this one to boot from Haiku (EFI)
* OscarL
's "wifi" is a router set in WDS mode, connected to the ethernet port of his old PC. Only way it works for me, as none of my old phones works as tether device on Haiku :-/
<Begasus>
Haven't even looked at that, and not going to, don't want my phone connected to the internet all the time :)
<OscarL>
maybe an unused old android phone? (that's what I was using before, from Win/Lin at least).
<Begasus>
nada, if people want to contact me over the phone the can just call me, don't need social media for that :P
<OscarL>
to use it as a "wifi adapter" only... laptop->phone (via USB-tether), phone -> router via Wifi,
<Begasus>
well, you would have to set your phone to use wifi I presume?
* OscarL
is still pissed that his ultra-low-end Android 4.1 phone from 2013 decided to die for good this time. Had to switch to another "hand-me-down" Android 4.1 of the same small size :-D
<OscarL>
That thing had more rebounds from the ground that a basket-ball. The screen... always intact.
<Begasus>
A lot of things I miss too, but on the other hand, there is progress on the things I need :)
<Begasus_32>
Testing ...
<Begasus_32>
default gateway : 192.168.0.1
<Begasus>
nice :)
<OscarL>
I was experimenting with running Haiku with qemu+kvm (now that I finally found out why the heck I never got any output from it... turns out Ubuntu doesn't installs the default "GTK window" output library for it.... sight).
<Begasus>
Gave up on qemu on Windows, for now it's VMWare :)
<OscarL>
So far... seems like I can get, compared to bare-metal, near 85% speed with qemu+kvm (Linux), 80% with vmware (Win10), 75+% with Virtualbox (Win10).
<OscarL>
Managed to find a way to also undervolt my Phenom II under Linux (as I do on Win)... that's also nice. I think I should be able to write a similar tool for Haiku, if I learn to use the msr module :-D
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<OscarL>
(writting an ultra basic cpu-temp monitor for K10 cpus seems doable by me too, that's also nice to be able to see the effects of the undervolt)
<OscarL>
Speaking of temp monitors... does the acpi-thermal driver works for the rest of you on Haiku?
<Begasus>
no idea there :)
<OscarL>
"ls /dev/drivers/power/" doesn't shows "acpi_thermal/" as I think it should if it is loaded.
<Begasus>
I know the other/other laptop, is still flying through the roof when trying to build some small things :/
<Begasus_32>
This one is fine, no issues with thermal overheat
<OscarL>
I'll only be able to use Haiku on bare-metal (for long periods of time), if I get that undervolt tool working, and if a kind soul can write a Haiku equivalent of Linux's "acpi_cpufreq" driver :-D
<Begasus>
Don't count me in there :P
<Begasus>
still looking through some fixes for the static libraries when I come accross them :P
<OscarL>
yeah... I get disqualified from that race too pretty early :-(
<Begasus>
I'm happy that Bruno can get his son to use Haiku with TeXlive/TeXstudio for now :)
<OscarL>
(I meant.... from writting the driver)
<OscarL>
Begasus: saw that, congrats to you and jmairboeck!
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<Begasus>
Most of the credit go out to jessicah and jmairboeck :) I just filled in the blanks :)
<OscarL>
team effort! :-D
<Begasus>
right!
<Begasus>
And to PulkoMandy for pulling the plug on merging it ;)
<OscarL>
True that :-) (too bad about the cost increase in storage thou)
<Begasus>
It has been debated for a long time, someone had to do it
<Begasus>
There are plenty other packages around at the storage, some maybe not even used at all ...
<OscarL>
I've added a few... but all around half a megabyte :-P
<Begasus>
Think I've added a few Gig's over the years too :)
* OscarL
goes to check Python's release schedule... (trying to not update a recipe that OF COURSE will get a new release the next day)
<Begasus>
But for the most ... those have been updated over the years (and had been around for a while) :)
<Begasus>
hehe
<Begasus>
know the feeling :)
<Begasus>
just updated texstudio-4.4.1 to find out 4.5.1 was released :)
<OscarL>
3.10.10: Monday, 2023-02-06
<Begasus>
ps, scummvm is planning a new release soon too
<OscarL>
So... tomorrow ther's Python 3.10.10 (too bad that I still haven't fixed 3.10 install paths :-/ ). No dates for 3.9. But I better wait till tomorrow, just in case.
<OscarL>
3.11.2 releases tomorrow too.
<Begasus>
are there reasons to update the 3.9 or 3.10 versions (aside from the issue for python3.10)?
<OscarL>
There's a minor left-over that I wan to remove from the older versions (found that while investigating the problem with 3.10).
<OscarL>
s/wan/want/
<OscarL>
nothing too important, but...
<Begasus>
yeah, saw some mentions about it
<Begasus>
maybe focus on getting the issue solved for 3.10? (could be that it comes to you when solving that) :)
<OscarL>
but yeah... fixing that 3.10 is really needed, as the same fix will be needed for 3.11 (even if the patchset requires some strong massaging)
<Begasus>
would be nice if those things got upstreamed?
<OscarL>
sure thing. Albeit I admit that I don't even know if the Python source code (pre-patchset) supports Haiku in any capacity. I'll should check that next time.
<Begasus>
Only one way to find out :)
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<OscarL>
I assume that if it already has at least some basic support, then getting changes upstreamed will be more likely than if they do not even register us :-D
<jmairboeck_haiku>
haikuporter says: "Warning: Error: found provides for "cmd:java >= 11", but none matching the version requirement" What is wrong here?
<jmairboeck>
I have openjdk 14 installed
<Begasus>
what's the latest version available for install jmairboeck ?
<jmairboeck>
I think 14
<Begasus>
can't you use that?
<jmairboeck>
I can, but 11 is the last LTS version we have, I think antlr requires at least java 8 actually
<jmairboeck>
and why is haikuporter throwing this error anyway?
<Begasus_32>
try to see if you can install openjdk11_x86_default
<Begasus>
maybe some conflict exists?
<jmairboeck>
by uninstalling openjdk14_default, as expected
<jmairboeck>
I'll try again with openjdk11_default installed
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] mywave82 b2fe662 - media-sound/ocp: Version bump and general update of recipe (#7804)
<OscarL>
heh, I was about to comment that #7804 could loose the "wip-no-merge" label :-)
<OscarL>
Technically... it still could :-P
<OscarL>
s/loose/lose
<jmairboeck>
Begasus: it doesn't work with openjdk14 now, I suppose because of the compat declaration
<code_vaibhav[m]>
Hi, Everyone I am Vaibhav , a CS undergrad from India . I am looking for some good first issue to contribute to.It would be very helpful if you could point me in the correct direction.I found out [this](https://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/EasyTasks) page in the guides,I am unsure whether these issues are still open as they were started long ago..
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<OscarL>
hello there code_vaibhav[m]. From the top of that "EasyTasks" page: "(Note: the following list is the result of a dynamic query)" that means that the tickets you see there are indeed still open at least.
<OscarL>
code_vaibhav[m]: but I guess you'll have to read the comments on each one to see their latest status (and finer details).
<code_vaibhav[m]>
Thanks.I will do that.
<OscarL>
Some may have work already started (like https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/1006, for example).... it has a patch already under review, but sometimes those still need a bit of polishing before they get merged, so I guess that's also something to look after.
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<BrunoSpr>
Hi all, will some with rights on the bug-tracker, please correct my miss-typed "WebPositiv" to "WebPositive" https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/18247, thanks
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<Begasus>
hi BrunoSpr !
<Begasus>
glad to see you got things up and running for texstudio :) in case your son runs into a missing package best to comment on the issue created by jmairboeck , most of them should be easy to track and install :)
<BrunoSpr>
Hello Begasus, nice to see you managed the big task to get TeXstudio easy to install and work on 32 and 64bit great work and a lot
<Begasus>
that was just the small part :)
<Begasus>
anyway, grabbing some food here and heading down, in case something pops up I'll ready about it :)
<Begasus>
g'night peeps!
<BrunoSpr>
yes I will ask him to check the ports and watch for missing packages as soon as he finished his Bacelor for math and physics this month... hope he get it
<BrunoSpr>
ok see you soon
<Begasus>
crossing fingers for you there :)
<Begasus>
cu!
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<HaikuUser>
it's been so long since I used Haiku, has dual monitor support been added?
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<OscarL>
HaikuUser: I think only some old NVIDIA cards (and maybe some other old ones) have some support for multiple monitors. I recently tested a motherboard with a GeForce 7025, and was surpriced to see a control for that on the Screen preflet :-D
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<OscarL>
Alright... seems like src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/power/acpi_thermal actually works with my hardware (not too fond of the temps being reported in Kelvin, but... at least seems to work :-D).
<OscarL>
Any particular reason as to why it is not included along with the rest of the drivers?
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<Anarchos>
is there a good blogging framework running on haiku , without npm/node crap ?
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