<humdinger>
ArtPaint release is delayed. Dale wants to squash a few more annoyances.
<nosycat>
To be honest I tried contributing translations to a few projects. Got burned a couple of times, and the third time I got bored. Dunno if anyone was using the language.
<humdinger>
Leaves Begasus with more time for the Dutch translation :)
<Begasus>
well, if doxygen updates that file in the repo also
<humdinger>
nosycat: one never knows. but having a human translator, there's at least one user for it. :)
<Begasus>
Time is to lacking here humdinger , and from time to time I wan't to commit my focus on other things ;)
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<humdinger>
Begasus: no problem. we just annoy the Dutch users with an incompletly translated GUI until they fill in the blanks. :)
<Begasus>
I still do andreasdr[m] (after I made contact with PE) :)
<andreasdr[m]>
Oh. Still using BeOS R5 Pro?
<Begasus>
no, not anymore, but still got the box and CD's here :)
<andreasdr[m]>
Nice.
<humdinger>
Been a Haiku user 3x longer than BeOS...
<andreasdr[m]>
My BeOS R5 Pro was a gift of my dad. I think he might still have the box and CD.
<andreasdr[m]>
Yes.
<andreasdr[m]>
Haiku gets great. Steadily. I love it.
<Begasus>
whell there was BeOSMasEd, PhOS, ZETA ...
<humdinger>
aww, drat. gotta run!
* humdinger
waves
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<B2IA>
(cinati) Does haiku work on BeBox ?
<Begasus>
Mas/Max*
<andreasdr[m]>
Bye.
<andreasdr[m]>
I missed Zeta.
<andreasdr[m]>
I applied at Mannheim for ZETA development. I never got a single answer.
<andreasdr[m]>
:DDD
<Begasus>
:)
<Begasus>
had close contacts there at that time (doing testing and translations)
<andreasdr[m]>
Nice.
<andreasdr[m]>
Now I applied also at AmigaOS4.x team(like a year ago), also I got no answer. I got a nice answer from MorphOS team. Nice people.
<andreasdr[m]>
So at least I tried to apply for OS development :DDD
<Begasus>
Why not Haiku? ;)
<andreasdr[m]>
Need to pay my bills.
<andreasdr[m]>
Unfortunatly.
<Begasus>
Ah
<andreasdr[m]>
Common story.
<andreasdr[m]>
I do software development for my living.
<foint[m]>
i never heard of MorphOS
<andreasdr[m]>
Its a Amiga like OS for PPC, mostly Mac PPCs.
<andreasdr[m]>
Not that bad. They need serious multi processor support. They even recently got a newer 3d stack.
<andreasdr[m]>
But newer in this case is still old.
<andreasdr[m]>
Maybe TDME2 can be adjusted to run on those machines.
<andreasdr[m]>
Need to check,.
<andreasdr[m]>
But those old PPCs, like a G5. They use so much power and have so less performance. So its some sort of nostalgia that I can understand on the one side but not on the other.
<foint[m]>
well cool
<foint[m]>
besides gnu/linux, freebsd and haiku. i don't know too much current operative systems
<Begasus>
MorphOS has been around for a long time, remember doing a BeOS demo at the Belgium Amiga club back then :)
<andreasdr[m]>
Well mostly its Linux nowadays, the BSDs(Net,Open,Free) and some rare other OSes.
<andreasdr[m]>
Nice.
<andreasdr[m]>
The early 2000 were nice.
<andreasdr[m]>
We had QNX.
<Begasus>
That too!
<Begasus>
SkyOS
<B2IA>
(cinati) QNX was nice running from a single floppy
<andreasdr[m]>
This was very nice too next to BeOS, but they stopped doing a non commercial distribution for it.
<foint[m]>
andreasdr[m]: i wasn't born back then lol
<andreasdr[m]>
QNX was a full OS just liek BeOS also.
<Begasus>
yep
<andreasdr[m]>
Ok.
<andreasdr[m]>
Well I am 43 now :)
<andreasdr[m]>
I was 20 in the 2000s
* Begasus
whistels
<andreasdr[m]>
:DDD
<nosycat>
I played with NetBSD some in recent years. It can run on configurations that make Haiku look bloated. :P
<andreasdr[m]>
FreeBSD is rock solid. OpenBSD is too slow for my needs. And NetBSD related I wait for 10.0
<andreasdr[m]>
NetBSD 10.0 will have updated DRM
<andreasdr[m]>
If they manage to stabilize it
<B2IA>
(cinati) Solaris is rock solid too
<Begasus>
Never really got around to any BSD OS
<andreasdr[m]>
I felt in love with NetBSD 2004
<andreasdr[m]>
It was so clean and small and super performanant.
<andreasdr[m]>
I tried it on at least 3 architectures those days.
<nosycat>
It has great documentation too.
<Begasus>
k, need to see how to link -lnetwork for gulrak_filesystem
<andreasdr[m]>
MacPPC, X86, HP Jornada 720
<andreasdr[m]>
That was fun
<andreasdr[m]>
Yes. Documentation is very nice on all of the BSDs
<andreasdr[m]>
I tried solaris not very seriously.
<andreasdr[m]>
I for sure booted it once
<andreasdr[m]>
Last time I checked Solaris it had no 3d stack.
<andreasdr[m]>
Well.
<andreasdr[m]>
All my jobs depend on 3d hw currently.
<andreasdr[m]>
Did someone give Fuchsia a serious try?
<andreasdr[m]>
Fuchsia wanted to become a Android replacement.
<andreasdr[m]>
Maybe also interesting.
<andreasdr[m]>
Travis Geiselbrecht was again working on Fuchsia AFAIK
<andreasdr[m]>
Travis Geiselbrecht is the father of the NewOS and hence the HaikuOS kernel.
<andreasdr[m]>
Arrrr. I am sending love to Travis Geiselbrecht :DDD
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<andreasdr[m]>
Travis Geiselbrecht brought iOS on Arm to life.
<andreasdr[m]>
Stuff like that.
<andreasdr[m]>
Hihi.
<nosycat>
My opinion of Fuchsia just went up a couple of notches.
<andreasdr[m]>
Please tell us about it.
<nosycat>
Didn't know who was working on it.
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<andreasdr[m]>
Lots of people for sure.
<andreasdr[m]>
Just wanted to mention Travis Geiselbrecht. He is worth a mention
<nosycat>
People matter.
<PulkoMandy>
you know he's right there on this channel, right? :)
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<andreasdr[m]>
Yes.
* nosycat
waves, then!
<andreasdr[m]>
Hi Travis Geiselbrecht!
<Anarchos>
hello
<Anarchos>
i hope travis has not been fired with the recent news about hte fuchsia team
<andreasdr[m]>
I heard about that too.
<andreasdr[m]>
Whats going on now with Fuchsia?
<andreasdr[m]>
Does someone know?
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<nosycat>
Haven't followed the news, sorry.
<andreasdr[m]>
I also did not follow that much.
* Anarchos
recalls that the fuchsia team has been severly targeted by the layoffs at google
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<andreasdr[m]>
Hm. Sad.
<foint[m]>
:(
<nosycat>
Par for the course.
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<nosycat>
o/
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<Anarchos>
hello BrunoSpr
<BrunoSpr>
hallo
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<Anarchos>
BrunoSpr i wanted to play aquaria you ported but i realized i need the files
<BrunoSpr>
Anarchos... sorry it was not me porting Aquaria! Btw. you need the original files you can buy on GOG
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<Anarchos>
BrunoSpr not enough money to purhcase games when you have kids…
<BrunoSpr>
Anarchos sorry I dont have the game either!
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<andreasdr[m]>
I recently bought Q2 for 5€. Yaaaaar.
<andreasdr[m]>
I loved Quake2. Nice game.
<andreasdr[m]>
:(
<nosycat>
Great for multiplayer, too.
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<andreasdr[m]>
Yes.
<andreasdr[m]>
There is a RayTracing version out there of Q2. But I dont have a NVIDIA graphics card.
<andreasdr[m]>
Think its NVIDIA only RT
<andreasdr[m]>
Arrrrr.
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<BrunoSpr>
Never tried multiplayer on Q2
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<Begasus>
heading down, g'night peeps!
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<nosycat>
Same. Bye!
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<andreasdr[m]>
Bye!
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<jessicah>
urgh, when you spend hours building llvm, and then you need to start from scratch :-/
<andreasdr[m]>
Hell on Earth!
<andreasdr[m]>
How long took that build? Like 20hrs?
<B2IA>
(loveaddicts) hai
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<jessicah>
andreasdr[m]: no, not 20 hours
<jessicah>
maybe 4 or 5? I don't recall
<jessicah>
I even built llvm in my linux vm just so I could have a comparison of why things differed :p
<jessicah>
so this is my 3rd full build
<jessicah>
plus many hours trying to figure out what was wrong in the first place...
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<jessicah>
turns out location of the build dir confused a part of the cmake rules
<x512[m]>
No existing HaikuPorts patches are used.
<x512[m]>
Patches makes lld functional and set it as default.
<foint[m]>
what is llvm?
<andreasdr[m]>
The base of clang I would say. Clang is a competitive MIT licensed compiler suite just like GCC is.
<jessicah>
it's a compiler infrastructure project
<jessicah>
clang is a c/c++ frontend utilising llvm, and a bunch of other languages use llvm too
<andreasdr[m]>
vertex and fragment shaders get also compiled with llvm? right x512?
<x512[m]>
Mesa have 2 options for amdgpu shader compiler: LLVM and NIR. NIR is used by default for RADV.
<andreasdr[m]>
Oh cool. Did not know.
<jessicah>
zig, I think rust still uses llvm too, couple other notables
<x512[m]>
NIR is Mesa own shader code generation framework.
<andreasdr[m]>
Ah i see,
<jessicah>
foint[m]: llvm has a bunch of companion tools, lldb (debugger like gdb), lld (linker like gnu ld), their own implementation of the c++ standard library (apple uses llvm)
<andreasdr[m]>
FreeBSD also uses clang and llvm.
<jessicah>
and then llvm as a compiler infrastructure project, you can have the rich language server things used in IDEs and the like
<jessicah>
it powers a lot :)
<foint[m]>
jessicah: Oh, so cool!
<jessicah>
but yeah, takes a while to build...
<jessicah>
my little intel nuc is pretty capable, but a few years old now
<jessicah>
and Haiku has some issues with i/o
<jessicah>
and maybe slow forking? dunno
<jessicah>
pretty slow compared to linux, anyhow :p
<jessicah>
get spoilt at how fast linux can compile stuff!