#haiku on 2023-01-23 — irc logs at oftc.irclog.whitequark.org

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02:39 <win8linux[m]> Tried beta 4 with an old laptop and it encounters an NMI exception at the start of boot.

02:40 <win8linux[m]> Despite this causing an early panic, boot can still be continued.

02:42 <win8linux[m]> However, Haiku fails to shut down or reboot and has to be forcefully powered off.

02:52 <Molnija> ... how are you continuing through a panic?

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03:41 <win8linux[m]> Here's a syslog, starting from the first panic:

03:41 <win8linux[m]> https://gist.github.com/win8linux/2baa294feb952a92d4c0043c64a54296#file-syslog-L79

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03:46 <win8linux[m]> Also on the same laptop, the wireless adapter (using RTL8192EU) refused to connect to any network despite being given the correct password.

03:49 <jezek2> Molnija: you can use the "cont" command in the kernel debugger interface if I remember correctly

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03:50 <win8linux[m]> It's continue.

03:50 <win8linux[m]> Usually this doesn't work or at least, something else causes the system to fail again as a result.

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13:26 <Anarchos> mmu_man do you feel better ?

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13:47 <xoblite> waddlesplash: Is the intention to have the Haiku User Guide locally and/or online? Asking because it is linked from the Welcome main pages, but not included locally... (?)

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14:23 <jeremy_c> I owned BeOS in the day, so I decided to try Haiku. When acessing any SSL website, I get "SSL peer certificate or SSH remote key was not OK". Any thoughts? I can browse non-SSL sites.

14:24 <jezek2> jeremy_c: what browser do you use?

14:26 <jeremy_c> jezek2: I started with Web Positive and then installed Web. However, I should have searched the forums first... I see my error, my date is wrong on the computer I am testing with... dug out an old laptop...

14:26 <jeremy_c> Setting date now and will try again. It's Apr 2021 here :-)

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14:28 <jeremy_c> Yup, went to Time > Network Time, hit the sync button and I can browse SSL sites now...

14:28 <jezek2> ah

14:29 <jeremy_c> not sure why it wasn't syncronizing at boot, that option is selected.

14:30 <jeremy_c> I am on Wifi, not wired. Maybe not syncing when I connect to WiFi, but trying literally at boot?

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14:34 <browser> i really like not having to be a sys admin on my own machine. Can anyone say is Haiku ment to stay single user or is this OS going to eventually be multi-user /login later?

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14:47 <browser> nm found the answer in reddit of all places.... i really hope it can be made optional to keep the gui single user.

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14:52 <mmu_man> Anarchos: better yeah

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14:57 <Anarchos> mmu_man \o/

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15:00 <andreasdr[m]> <3

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17:47 <Anarchos> When i launch a compilation, a telnet session freezes.

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18:16 <botifico> [haiku/website-inc] leavengood pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website-inc/compare/6aa501d2fd36...fe5ad70c7f9a

18:16 <botifico> [haiku/website-inc] leavengood fe5ad70 - Fix EUR conversion rate on 2022 financial report

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18:19 <win8linux[m]> Still thinking about Haiku being able to recover from a kernel panic.

18:19 <win8linux[m]> How can that happen in the first place?

18:20 <win8linux[m]> Kernel panics on any other OS usually aren't recoverable or at least, results in a running system afterwards.

18:20 <win8linux[m]> s/results/result/

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18:30 <andreasdr[m]> Out of memory is always a issue. Also in kernel I guess.

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18:36 <win8linux[m]> It was an NMI interrupt that caused a recoverable kernel panic on an old laptop.

18:36 <win8linux[m]> Whatever that is.

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18:38 <andreasdr[m]> Wikipedia:

18:38 <andreasdr[m]> In computing, a non-maskable interrupt (NMI) is a hardware interrupt that standard interrupt-masking techniques in the system cannot ignore. It typically occurs to signal attention for non-recoverable hardware errors. Some NMIs may be masked, but only by using proprietary methods specific to the particular NMI.

18:39 <andreasdr[m]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-maskable_interrupt

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18:43 <win8linux[m]> The syslog showing the panic:

18:43 <win8linux[m]> https://gist.github.com/win8linux/2baa294feb952a92d4c0043c64a54296

18:43 <win8linux[m]> Also showing a wireless adapter failing to auth with a network, despite the correct password being entered.

18:43 <andreasdr[m]> Hm. This does tell very little. Unfortunatly.

18:44 <andreasdr[m]> I am not a kernel dev. So .... :x

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19:33 <bparker_> trying to start up the R4 x64 iso on qemu and it's taking 40 forevers to boot, is that normal?

19:33 <bparker_> it was stuck on the middle icon (The one with the leaf) for like 10 minutes and now it is finally on the rocket

19:39 <Skipp_OSX> oh R1B4 ha!

19:40 <Skipp_OSX> (I read R4 as BeOS R4)

19:41 <Skipp_OSX> no that's not normal, should take a few seconds maybe a minute depending on hardware, seems like there is a problem.

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19:42 <bparker_> it finally booted the installer and now I'm trying to partition the disk and it's just randomly freezing

19:43 <bparker_> everything just seems so incredibly slow

19:43 <bparker_> I verified KVM is enabled also, I'm using -smp 4 with 4G ram, I don't see anything wrong, and B3 didn't have these issues

19:44 <bparker_> in fact I'm using the exact same command line for qemu that I used with B3

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20:00 <bparker_> now the install actually failed

20:01 <bparker_> Skipp_OSX: https://0x0.st/ohhg.png

20:02 <Skipp_OSX> :/

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20:38 <bbjimmy> Cannor write to ntfs volume. Tracker reports: " Yoy can't move or copy items to read-only volums but " Get info" reports a read/write volume.

20:43 <bbjimmy> bparker_ I don't know about qemu, but VirtualBox works better without smp.

20:45 <bbjimmy> *Cannot

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21:11 <waddlesplash> bparker_: bbjimmy: SMP is only weird on VBox, fine on QEMU

21:11 <waddlesplash> bparker_: let me guess, you are using GNOME Boxes

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21:34 <bparker_> waddlesplash: no idea what that is

21:34 <bparker_> I'm just using regular qemu

21:36 <x512[m]> https://lpc.events/event/11/contributions/1115/attachments/929/1831/Why%20we%20can%E2%80%99t%20have%20nice%20things.pdf

21:37 <waddlesplash> bparker_: ok. if you're using virtio-block storage, try something else

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21:43 <Skipp_OSX> in my experience virtual box doesn't work correctly unless you DO have more than 1 virtual core setup

21:43 <Skipp_OSX> with just a single core the vm will lockup using 100% cpu to do things and your mouse won't move until it's done.

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23:02 <Molnija> wha o:

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23:25 <AlienSoldier> how come there is no goodsearch.com donation in the haiku financial document?

23:27 <bparker_> waddlesplash: I'm not specifying a storage type so it's just using the default IDE

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