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<OscarL>
Trying to get a working variable substitution syntax on .recipes makes me think of the game Sokoban :-/
<OscarL>
I try to apply logic, but sometimes it works only when you just push around boxes just out of frustration.
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<zdykstra>
lol
<zdykstra>
Wonderful analogy :)
<OscarL>
thanks :-D
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<OscarL>
sweet jebus... it worked.
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<OscarL>
I only really understand the last fix I made to it :-D
<OscarL>
particularly unfunny are the error messages haikuporter was giving me... citing line:col that had nothing to do with the errors.
<OscarL>
GCC (pre egcc) level of bad messages.
<OscarL>
s/bad/unhelpful/
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<zdykstra>
How goes the good fight, OscarL?
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<OscarL>
I think I got it...
<OscarL>
PC froze thou :-D
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<OscarL>
I''m starting to think that I understand what I did to make it work, zdykstra, so... progress! :P
<zdykstra>
wooh!
<OscarL>
next thing you know... I'll be wrangling some mad Perl in no time!
<OscarL>
*not really*
<zdykstra>
heh
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<OscarL>
running checkfs on a spinning HDD with LOTS of small files is... yikes.
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<OscarL>
"29675 blocks could be freed" so nearly 15% of the total. 8-0
<zdykstra>
rm -rf, set them free!
<OscarL>
"dd if=/dev/zero of=/disk/[redacted]" for me, thanks!
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<zdykstra>
lol
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* OscarL
shuts down VM to disable "use host IO caches". Not worth the risks for the small speed improvements.
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* OscarL
throws in, semi-randomply, a "\n" in the recipe, in hopes it solves the last head-scratching issue.
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<OscarL>
this is making me sweat bullets. Reminds me of the "Physiology and Biophysics" exams I had in the uni 20+ years ago :-/
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<OscarL>
I think I finally got it. Package content looks good, and so does the .PackageInfo. Time to commit/push, and then get savaged on the review :-P
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<OscarL>
Mmm, hp's "Applying patchset" resulted in: "error: sha1 information is lacking or useless" wot?
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<augiedoggie>
sounds like a bad patch
<OscarL>
and "error: could not build fake ancestor"
<OscarL>
I just "git mv" ed it along with the recipe, trying to update it to 0.14.
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<OscarL>
Might it be just that the patch doesn't applies cleanly anymore? (still weird error message if that's the case)
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<OscarL>
Not sure what to do except do the patching manually, then hp -e, and then edit the resulting .patchset to put the original patch info back in :-D
<OscarL>
at least the patch is short.
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<OscarL>
grrr "hp -n" does NOT initialize the work git repo :-(
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<augiedoggie>
i'm pretty sure i've done it by hand
<augiedoggie>
init the repo, apply the patch, then git format-patch
<OscarL>
Thanks augiedoggie. I went with: removed the patches, ran hp -b, appplied patch manually, "hp -e".
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 45ee0f5 - Disable boost versions 1.65.1 and 1.66.0, no longer installable, and buildmaster shouldn't try to use them. (#8020)
<OscarL>
seems korli is not OK with dropping Py 3.8 :-/
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes b94bed0 - Telegram: bump version
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<Begasus>
g'morning peeps
<OscarL>
hello Begasus.
<Begasus>
hi OscarL
<Begasus>
so what's up with this 2FA thing github is pushing us in to?
<OscarL>
you're among the first batch I guess... partial roll out of that...
<OscarL>
but in the end will be required for everyone pushing.
<OscarL>
haven't got it yet, and not too happy about it, in anycase.
<Begasus>
I don't want my phone to be connected to the Internet all the time, if I enable it I would receive an sms everytime I want to push some thing :/
<Begasus>
actualy I can understand the reasoning (and github isn't the first to use it), but still annoying
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<Begasus>
when I first started this laptop it took me about an hour filling in everything windows wanted to know about me (and enable/disable features I would like to add or not)
<OscarL>
yikes.
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<trungnt2910[m]>
<OscarL> "you're among the first batch I..." <- So I'm also among the unlucky first batch as well heh?
<trungnt2910[m]>
They also forced that to me this morning.
<OscarL>
Begasus: you think I should set my PRs related to dropping 3.7/3.8 as Drafts (to avoid merging) just in case?
<OscarL>
trungnt2910[m]: ouch :-)
<trungnt2910[m]>
<OscarL> "but in the end will be required..." <- This is the continuation of the annoying late-2021 incident, when you can no longer sign in to GitHub with your password and have to create an API key.
<trungnt2910[m]>
I had a hard time explaining beginners how to do that.
<Habbie>
Begasus, looks like there are options without your phone connected 24/7 - like TOTP
<OscarL>
my old ass phones won't even handle the TOTP apps so... guess I'll either will have to give them my number and use SMS, or send patches by mail :-D
<Habbie>
or put a totp app on a PC
<Begasus>
Used the SMS option Habbie
<Habbie>
Begasus, ack
<Begasus>
installed the mobile app (although I probably wont use that)
<Begasus>
fwiw, I don't thing python3.8 is used a lot OscarL (imho) :)
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<OscarL>
And... Argentina is not on the list of supported countries for their SMS :-(
<OscarL>
I think it is the least used of them all.
<Begasus>
ouch
<OscarL>
3.8 is the new 3.4 :-D
<Begasus>
from you PR's paramiko is the one the needs to be merged?
<Begasus>
might as well check how this goes :)
<OscarL>
I was asking if I should set them all as draft, so they DON'T get merged (following korli's feedback).
<OscarL>
Habbie: re 2FA "you can set up authentication via a TOTP mobile application" is the emphasis on mobile what had me worried :-D
<Begasus>
well you could keep 3.8 and only remove 3.7 for now then
<Habbie>
OscarL, right, you're -supposed- to do it on a separate device :)
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] OscarL f2dc304 - twisted: recipe clean up (#8028)
<OscarL>
it almost drove me insane.
<Begasus>
that still worked without an sms :)
<Begasus>
OscarL, added an announcement for the boost versions, maybe you could do something simular for the python version (plans to remove ...) at the forum?
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<OscarL>
Not a bad idea Begasus. But I'm not sure I would feel comfortable/confident enough to do so.
<OscarL>
specially if there's not much consensus among the devs themselves.
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<OscarL>
or maybe it was just me... being reading too much into what was said.
<Begasus>
it isn't the first time :)
<Begasus>
korli didn't say it was a bad idea :)
<OscarL>
Welp... I see if I can't update slixmpp to 0.16 (last missing piece of tha long change of packages I was trying to move to 3.9/3.10).
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<OscarL>
Oh, I understand him better now. He can be "a bit too terse" sometimes, even for me, LOL ... still, a bit of a mood-kill :-D
<Begasus>
hehe, I know some other things that stirred the watter way more ;)
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<Begasus>
but he is still one of the core developers, also at haikuports (I respect him for that, even though I might not always agree) :)
<OscarL>
Oh, no doubt about it! korli kicks ass all day long. Hell of a lot of respect for him. That's why I hit the breaks so fast on this, even if I would prefer differently.
<OscarL>
Begasus: Speaking of respect... this small glimpse into the deeps of packages depencies hell / spaguetti nightmare I went into the last couple days.... Mad respect for your work, man!!!
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<Begasus>
Thanks :) someone has to do it, glad I'm getting some help now +1
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<OscarL>
Guess I could try removing some Python 2.7 left-overs ? :-D
<OscarL>
"PYTHON_VERSIONS=(2.7 3.7)" :-/
<OscarL>
I just don't want more "surprise installs" of old pythons :-D
<Begas_VM>
if something is using python2.7 deffenitly (and add 3.7 to that then) :)
<OscarL>
the above was from: cryptography_vectors-2.8.recipe :-D
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<OscarL>
but trying to trace what depends on what to try to minimize breakage... not easy man.
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<Begas_VM>
heh
<Begas_VM>
python* import* :)
<OscarL>
mmm, I'm at 20 branches locally, and 12 on my fork. This is getting out of hand, fast :-D
<Begasus>
I use "haikuports" as the work tree, "haikuports_games" for my fork, "sandbox" to add/remove remotes to checkout
<Begasus>
"haikuports_games" has 2 repos, origin (my fork) and upstream (haikuports) to merge upstream and push origin (that way I can keep my fork in sync)
<Begasus>
25 remotes in my sandbox :)
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<OscarL>
considering that 9 months ago I was barely able to push a 2 lines change to gerrit, affraid of breaking things... I'd say this thing is at least getting less scarier now. Not helping with my focus issues, thou :-D
<Habbie>
nice :D
<Begas_VM>
It want get merged unless someone hits that button OscarL, so no harm in pushing changes :)
<OscarL>
Alright then. Was just trying to avoid getting caught in the middle (I think I recall seeing some "why you merged that" kind of exchange among devs in the past :-D)
<Begas_VM>
That would be for some major port, where discussions went on and on :)
<OscarL>
might be :-D
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<Begas_VM>
hence I'm not bumping libraries where there are static ones, first need to get the current fixed, once that is done, back to updating where needed
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<Begas_VM>
Entering dev/db ... :)
<OscarL>
Mmm, I think I can't even trust poezio's 0.14 requirements. it says it needs slixmpp 1.6.0 (from 2020), I have it that, and running poezio results in import errors... for a class introduced in slixmpp in 2022, if I'm reading things right :-/
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<OscarL>
Considering poezio 0.14 is from 2022, I'm tempted to think that requirement is out of date, damn it! :-D
<OscarL>
"install_requires=['slixmpp>=1.6.0'" my rear.
<OscarL>
Will try again with slixmpp 1.8.2 (newest, and closest to date of release of poezio 0.14).
<OscarL>
My admiration for Begasus keeps growing and growing.
<Begas_VM>
you gotta love it :)
<OscarL>
Could use some strong coffee before continuing, not gonna lie. I should ask zdykstra to steal another from his wife, and send it to me :-)
<Begas_VM>
lol
<Begas_VM>
got my cup filles again just now :)
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<Begas_VM>
s/filles/filled/
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<Begas_VM>
your typing skills are catching OscarL :)
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<Begas_VM>
builds for db61 and sqlcipher running atm
<OscarL>
heh, even Pulkomandy's posts these last days had several typos (forum, gerrit)... either his keyboard was making bad contact, or I'm indeed contagious :-D
<Begas_VM>
yeah ;)
<PulkoMandy>
OscarL, I was travelling and posting from my phone while also being vvery tired
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<PulkoMandy>
back home with a real keyboard now :D
<Begas_VM>
half right OscarL ;)
<OscarL>
heh :-)
<PulkoMandy>
OscarL, poezio dependencies are usually inaccurate, yes. You can ping the devs about it, they often forget to update them. Generally just use the latest version of everything since they work on most of the dependencies (especially the xmpp ones) themselves
<Begas_VM>
see, more then enough on your plate now OscarL :P
<OscarL>
PulkoMandy: re: typos... understandable! Just noticed because it felt "out of character" for you :-) I've rarely have spotted any on your writtings before.
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<OscarL>
re: poezio/slixmpp: will do. Thanks.
<PulkoMandy>
well there are more when I'm tired and when I use my phone. And it's even worse when the phone is in powersaving mode and scans the touchscreen at lower frequency. I had to use that a bit during this trip (due to not all trains and train stations having power plugs available)
<Begasus>
PulkoMandy, maybe it's also time to do a new tag release on haikuporter?
<Begasus>
(if nothing is blocking it atm)
<OscarL>
It's actually: 'typing_extensions; python_version < "3.8.0"'. Guess that means it needs typing_extensions only for python <3.8.0, right? RIGHT?"?" :-D
<PulkoMandy>
you don't need me for that, I think? :)
<PulkoMandy>
OscarL, yes, typing_extensions is backporting some new python features to old python versions
<Begasus>
arent the one in the recipe based on a tagged release? (or are they srcGitRev checkouts, didn't check)
<OscarL>
Pheew! Thanks for the confirmation PulkoMandy :-)
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 20123e2 - haikuporter, bump version (#8033)
<trungnt2910[m]>
Why so much politics in a single GSoC proposal discussion...
<x512[m]>
Just do you want.
<x512[m]>
I would be happy if someone will continue my UserlandVM approach.
<Begasus>
complete now on buildmasters, thanks PulkoMandy !
<Begasus>
It's just us "humans" trungnt2910[m] :)
<Begasus>
I'm not familiar there so I'm not commenting ;)
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<trungnt2910[m]>
<x512[m]> "I would be happy if someone will..." <- I like your UserlandVM, it's actually the direct inspiration of HyClone.
<trungnt2910[m]>
But if I could modify the kernel (a bit) then I would still prefer the kernel module as it gives a bit more freedom to access kernel functions and potentially more integration.
<trungnt2910[m]>
Using the UserlandVM-as-an-addon approach, getting Linux binaries to work is actually much easier: Just register blink as another runtime_loader addon and grab an Alpine rootfs.
<Habbie>
oh, i was wondering about running linux binaries :)
<Habbie>
oh i looked at that recently, for other reasons
<trungnt2910[m]>
It hasn't got a stable release yet though, so no HaikuPorts recipe yet.
<Habbie>
ack
<Habbie>
and it emulates the cpu, which is a bit wasteful
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<Habbie>
but, good to have in the toolbox
<x512[m]>
For Haiku on Haiku scenario no additional syscalls should be needed except mode switching.
<trungnt2910[m]>
So Haiku does not have architecture-specific syscalls?
<x512[m]>
Some things like flush_caches() exists, but it is an empty stub for non-relevant platforms.
<x512[m]>
Syscalls are mostly the same for all Haiku architectures. Also Haiku syscall numbers are not considered stable, so syscall translation layer should be a part of core Haiku repo.
<x512[m]>
I originally considered UserlandVM to be a part of Haiku repo and CPU emulation add-ons to be installable from external sources.
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<x512[m]>
Native 32 bit code execution support by 64 bit CPU is also considered as CPU emulation add-on, but hardware accelerated.
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<Begas_VM>
bbl
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<x512[m]>
trungnt2910: Do you know some 32 bit x86 emulation library?
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<trungnt2910[m]>
Sadly I don't know for 32-bit.
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<OscarL>
Heh, finally got poezio working! (at least I think it does, lol). Apparently it connected to some jeproteste.info server.
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<x512[m]>
Is there any QEmu alternatives for ARM emulation?
<phschafft>
x512[m]: may I ask what the problem for you is?
<x512[m]>
Qemu is too bloated and I don't want to have dependency on OpenGL.
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<OscarL>
Just in case Begasus gets back and I went to sleep... PRs 8035, 8036, and 8037 can be considered for merging (8037 needs to be merged last). They drop support only for 3.7 (had no 3.8 originally), and add 3.9+.
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<x512[m]>
Still no new QEmu in HaikuPorts binary repos?
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<OscarL>
Seems to me like Begasus should just merge davidkaroly's PR for Qemu, and let the buildmaster sort it out :-)
<OscarL>
BUILD_PREREQUIRES -> "cmd:python". Ufff that pesky python2.7 again :-D
<Habbie>
cmd:python.2.no.no.no
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<OscarL>
does QEmu really needs that still?
<OscarL>
Habbie: old FreeOTP from F-Droid worked on my ancient phone, yay! (it gives you NO feedback when scanning the QR, so you have to YOLO it a bit, but worked). And the .apk is <500 KB, nice!
<Habbie>
removing python2 on my debian does not remove qemu
<Habbie>
OscarL, very good :)
<OscarL>
seems to be needed for building only? (being in BUILD_PREREQUIRES and all)
<botifico>
[haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 0d7d6ca - deployments/hpkg: Shift deployment to ghcr.io
<botifico>
[haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 d3d1e16 - deployments/rsync: Migrate to ghcr.io
<botifico>
[haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 67b27da - deployments/trac: Migrate deployment to ghcr.io
<botifico>
[haiku/infrastructure] ... and 4 more commits.
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<zard>
Out of curiosity, which IDE do you use when developing on Haiku?
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<augiedoggie>
emacs of course! :P
<zard>
What! I use vim! :D
<OscarL>
Pe or bust
<augiedoggie>
pe isn't really an ide
<augiedoggie>
before our emacs port was done, i was using QtCreator, it's quite nice
<zdykstra>
Pe doesn't scale correctly on 4k :/
<OscarL>
re: Pe - then none (on BeOS/Haiku) BeIDE up to 2005 :-)
<zdykstra>
Koder has been nice, or just plain old Vim.
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<OscarL>
these dependecies chains across multiple python versions, while trying to update a tiny package.... makes me question my life choices.
<OscarL>
I should go to sleep. Later folks, have a good one!
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<bjorkintosh>
augiedoggie, is there support for the be libraries in emacs?
<bjorkintosh>
you know, in terms of autocompletion and whatnot?
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<augiedoggie>
yes
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<augiedoggie>
i'm currently using ccls as the lsp and it has no problem completing any of the Haiku classes
<augiedoggie>
i was using clangd before, which also worked
<augiedoggie>
bjorkintosh: i have an old post on imgur that shows the completion https://imgur.com/a/T9uqjcZ
<Habbie>
how did you get two scrollbars, in that first image?
<augiedoggie>
looks like clangd for that image
<Habbie>
oh wait this is not Terminal
<Habbie>
ignore me
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<zdykstra>
damn, that completion looks amazing
<augiedoggie>
i think it's actually better now, looks nicer anyhow
<zdykstra>
sure beats browsing the API docs in multiple browser tabs to find things
<zdykstra>
I'd have to learn emacs, and I presume setup that language server
<Habbie>
LSP is amazing
<Habbie>
i have it in sublime text now for $dayjob, i don't know how i ever did without
<bjorkintosh>
LSP is really silly. it's a deep part of the javascript framework mindset: a network connection for the simplest things possible.
<augiedoggie>
zdykstra: the two major configuration frameworks default to 'evil-mode' which is basically a perfect clone of VIM
<bjorkintosh>
but. it is convenient while we have a network connection.
<Habbie>
bjorkintosh, i don't follow
<bjorkintosh>
a whole server? c'mon.
<Habbie>
did you have a better design in mind?
<Habbie>
i'm genuinely curious
<bjorkintosh>
emacs for instance has elisp doesn't it?
<bjorkintosh>
all extensions are written in it.
<Habbie>
ok yes but then you need to write a compiler for every language in every language
<Begasus>
re
<bjorkintosh>
yes you're right.
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<nosycat>
Well, dunno. Scintilla can only be extended in C, so any language support has to be part of the library, and that's a problem for people who use new or less popular languages.
<nosycat>
On the other hand most text editors settle for much more limited support, using regular expressions where possible and little else, but anyone can extend them easily.
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<Habbie>
indeed
<Habbie>
LSP brings the full power of the actual implementation
<nosycat>
In practice, that often means having 40% support for my language of choice versus none at all.
<nosycat>
Yes it does. At the cost of a big fuss.
<nosycat>
Dunno how LSP works, but Doxygen for example pulls all of LLVM after it as a dependency, and that turns out to be 800MB.
<nosycat>
All so I can have exactly what that's so important?
<Habbie>
clangd is 9MB - but likely relies on the rest of the compiler, which i was already using
<nosycat>
Network effects, yeah.
<nosycat>
Mostly, of late it seems to me that everyone wants all or nothing.
<nosycat>
Full this, complete that... with no regard for costs.
<nosycat>
Anything less is deemed unacceptable.
<nosycat>
Graphics that can't be distinguished for reality!
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] davidkaroly 22fe646 - qemu-7.2.0: new recipe (#7789)
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<Habbie>
porting autoconf projects is so much more fun than boutiques ;)
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<Habbie>
~/haikuports/app-editors/vis> vis vis-0.8.recipe
<Habbie>
bootstrapped :D
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<PulkoMandy>
Habbie, ports should come with their own license file, Haiku only comes with licenses for what's included in Haiku releases
<Habbie>
i see that
<Habbie>
but ISC is in that dir
<Habbie>
yet the tooling is unhappy
<PulkoMandy>
ISC is there because you have installed some other package that provides it
<PulkoMandy>
but it's not from the Haiku package
<Habbie>
ohhhhh
<Habbie>
i see it now
<Habbie>
i used listattr -l to look at some *other* license and it came from haiku-r1 etc
<Habbie>
ok, so ISC came from a different package, indeed
<Habbie>
and as there is nothing ISC-licensed on the haiku install image, it's on me to provide it, just like other packages do
<Habbie>
right?
<PulkoMandy>
yes
<Habbie>
perfect, thanks
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<PulkoMandy>
technically, if we read the text of the MIT license very strictly, we should put a copy of it in every package, but I think we decided to ignore that
<Habbie>
ok, i now see the difference between /boot/system/data/licenses/ and /system/data/licenses/
<Habbie>
ack :)
<Habbie>
no my previous line was wrong
<Habbie>
ah got it, the error is generated inside the build chroot
<Habbie>
where some random other package that provided the ISC license is not present
<Habbie>
this does mean the license could have been provided by a dependency i guess (but in my case, it's not)
<PulkoMandy>
I don't remember the exact check done by haikuporter, I think it checks explicitly the licenses in the haiku package only?
<Habbie>
it's actually src/kits/package/hpkg/PackageWriterImpl.cpp that is unhappy
<Habbie>
took me a bit of digging to find
<Habbie>
haikuporter is happy, perhaps because i have that ISC file from another package
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<realtaraharris>
does anyone have know how to tell the Haiku debugger to point to my own source code?
<realtaraharris>
I compiled my code with -g, and used the Images tab in Settings to point to a path
<realtaraharris>
I have only figured out how to load a single file that way, vs. my entire project
<realtaraharris>
I have read some of the docs, and there's nothing there
<realtaraharris>
regarding how to actually use this thing
<realtaraharris>
is there a way I can supply a command-line option to point it at my code?
<PulkoMandy>
what problem do you have exactly?
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<PulkoMandy>
if your code is compiled in debug mode and not stripped, above the disassembly code view there should be a "click to locate path/to/file.cpp" which you can use to locate the sourcefile
<PulkoMandy>
if you want this to work without any user intervention, you have to pass absolute paths to the compiler for your sourcefiles I think
<PulkoMandy>
do you get that far, or is there a problem elsewhere?
<realtaraharris>
I've compiled with -g, and I was able to get it to load a single file
<realtaraharris>
let's see if I can formulate a more specific question
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<realtaraharris>
oh, I see. I have my own shtuff compiled with -g, but the lib I'm linking to is not. so when I drop into code without debugging info, I can't click the "Source file unavailable." thing to add code
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<realtaraharris>
yup, that was it. thanks for helping me @PulkoMandy <3
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<PulkoMandy>
yes, maybe we should make this part of the UI more clear (it should be a button, so we can visibly hint when it is enabled or disabled)
<realtaraharris>
:thumbs-up:
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<trungnt2910[m]>
Third party HPKG solutions go boom boom invalid compression.
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<waddlesplash>
oh, my problem was clipping after all
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<zdykstra>
started dumping mail_daemon logs to a file so I can try to track down why one of the IMAP workers just stops ... working. ~400k lines later ... heh
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<waddlesplash>
augiedoggie: oh, just realized. do you want your old forum account merged into your new one? I think that's possible