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<Orka-Edison> hi
<Orka-Edison> webpositive no play media ?
<zdykstra> Not really, nope.
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<Orka-Edison> there are another web browser on haiku can do ?
<Orka-Edison> i try netsurf
<Orka-Edison> ok it is even worse
<augiedoggie> use "gnome web" or "falkon"
<Orka-Edison> i just see it
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<Orka-Edison> web epiphany bug, try debug and some missing dependencies
<Orka-Edison> ok my haiku is up to date, i install all pkg mensionned by install in debug mode, but still not work
<Orka-Edison> and
<Orka-Edison> seem a good idea to have a cmd key to open menui and a software search by name
<Orka-Edison> like on gnome : win + find --> keywoard + enter start softwares
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/a0a602dcd80c...59d47264c4db
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL 59d4726 - be_book: make sure that all .html files have the same mimetype (#7968)
<botifico> [haiku/website] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-1/±0] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/90b2f2a160ba...59271630e08e
<botifico> [haiku/website] OscarL 5927163 - Delete ._BDeskbar.html (#623)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/59d47264c4db...f015a9663c20
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] amol- f015a96 - DOSBox-X: add recipe (#7885)
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<Begasus> Finaly back home :D
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<white-wolf> hi MajorBiscuit
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<Begasus> re
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<BrunoSpr> good morning all... How to fix HaikuDepot not showing the "Date" and seems misconfigured now after wrong date settings... update packet source and pkgman full does not help
<BrunoSpr> This is Haiku Beta 4 64bit nightly...
<Begasus> 'lo BrunoSpr
<BrunoSpr> howdy?
<BrunoSpr> how do you do?
<Begasus> fine so far, thanks for asking
<Begasus> is your system time and date correct?
<BrunoSpr> now all ok
<Begasus> just used pkgman update without issues
<Begasus> ah ok :)
<BrunoSpr> I swapped the repositories and activated them again... after a sync all is there again
<BrunoSpr> my collegue at work told me: If an American asks you: "how do xou do" one should answer with "I am ok" and not with "fine thank you" since only germans will answer so... is it?
<Begasus> well, normaly I would do also, but just got out of the hospital from yesterday (after 6 days) :)
<BrunoSpr> Begasus.. oh hope all is well now! Sorry missed it! Take your rest and get well then!
<Begasus> I'll do that, thanks :)
<BrunoSpr> 6 days is a long time! Hope you still remember how to port apps
<Begasus> Told the wife to get my laptop :) didn't miss practice, and gave me a change to setup a descent virtual install in vmware :)
<Begasus> ps, checked QMPlay2 in both arch's as OscarL mentioned, works ok (with some glitches etc): https://ibb.co/BwmNTVk
<BrunoSpr> Begasus hey nice how was the experience working in VM? I tried many times also downloading at lowest 420p but we think the laptop is too slow to play the viedos...
<BrunoSpr> YouTube does play the videos but it has problems too to play them correct
<BrunoSpr> in qmplay2
<BrunoSpr> ok get some tea...
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<white-wolf> how can i update youtube-dl on haiku by github command : curl...
<white-wolf> ?
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<Begasus> white-wolf, if you got haikuporter/haikuports installed you can update the recipe to the current version?
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<cocobean> BrunoSpr: "pkgman install ffmpeg5_tools"
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<cocobean> BrunoSpr: American slang is regional - but when asked "how do you do" people tend to say "<their condition> and how are you?" so that the response is reciprocal.
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<white-wolf_> be back
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<white-wolf_> i would like format my debian for install haiku, but no youtube for learn programming in french the principal problem is the web browser, web not work on my VM and webpositive don´t
<white-wolf_> don´t do
<phschafft> I don't like people that respond with their medical and financial history and how bad the world is. 'ok', 'fine', and 'good' is the way to go. if I want to know their problems, I will ask specifically for that.
<white-wolf_> for help and learn C++
<white-wolf_> i'm beginer in C/C++ but want help, like very haiku... but no jitsi for my help conf
<white-wolf_> haiku is ok to use all day as desktop ?
<white-wolf_> may be arrive te find solution, peraps compile or create news hpkg
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<nosycat> You're asking many questions, and I don't understand very well.
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<nosycat> Are you French, white-wolf_?
<white-wolf_> yes
<nosycat> I speak some French, but I'm very new to Haiku.
<white-wolf_> pv ?
<white-wolf_> or on haiku-fr
<nosycat> Okay!
<nosycat> There's a haiku-fr channel?
<white-wolf_> yes on oft
<white-wolf_> ofct
<white-wolf_> oftc
<zdykstra> you can get a lot of things done on Haiku, but some of them will take more effort than on other systems.
<white-wolf_> effort isn´t a problem
<zdykstra> if you really want/need to watch YouTube to learn programming, your best bet is a tablet or phone
<white-wolf_> can use youtube-dl ?
<white-wolf_> on haiku ?
<white-wolf_> but i try on VM and don´t work
<zdykstra> yt-dlp is in HaikuDepot, so I imagine it works
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<white-wolf> ok zdykstra i try merge format, wbm not work correctly
<white-wolf> and for jitsi for video conf ?
<nosycat> Falkon, peut-etre.
<nosycat> Errr... maybe.
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<Anarchos> hello
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<Begas_VM> 'lo :)
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<nosycat> Hi there!
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<andreasdr[m]> HI there!
<nosycat> o/
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<Begas_win> 'lo :)
<nosycat> How are you?
<Begas_win> man this thing is fast ;) created packages for tuxpaint and tuxpaint_stamps for both arch's while on the other laptop boost179 is still initializing :P
<Begas_win> fine so far, thanks, taking an easy pase :)
<Begas_win> s/pase/pace/
<nosycat> Congrats!
<Begas_win> ;) download size for tuxpaint_stamps is twice the size of boost :O
<Begas_win> did something change in the order of "any" packages?
<Begas_win> I can install the 32bit package for tuxpaint_stamps on 64bit without problems
<nosycat> Software these days. And dunno!
<jmairboeck> "any" packages should be installable on "any" Haiku installation, that is why they are called "any"
<jmairboeck> and that is also why it is redundant and wastes resources to build them for all architectures separately
<nosycat> Wait, shouldn't stamps be architecture-independent?
<jmairboeck> especially big ones like texlive
<Begasus> I just noticed because I wanted to move them to a thumbdrive and it mentioned that the package is already there
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<Habbie> do i understand correctly that any code *in haiku* (kernel, tools, anything part of haiku.hpkg and friends) is still bound to gcc2?
<augiedoggie> the kernel was switched to modern gcc
<augiedoggie> regardless of arch
<Habbie> oh very good
<Begasus> OK, then I need to supply only 1 package for the stamps (for the upcomming rc) :)
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<humdinger> hullo.
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<nosycat> o/
<humdinger> read the log. shall I update yt-dlp or are you on it already, Begasus?
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<zdykstra> hello humdinger
<zdykstra> how are you doing this chilly and windy Friday?
<humdinger> hi zdykstra
<Begasus> no time for it yet humdinger tuxpaint is planning a new version (rc1), and wanted to be able to build/check those first
<Begasus> so knock yourself out (is's kinda your pet) :)
<humdinger> not chilly at all. :) just returned from a bike tour an hour ago. :)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/f015a9663c20...f9c6e382794a
<humdinger> Begasus: there we go
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb f9c6e38 - yt-dlp: update to 2023.03.04
<Begasus> thanks!
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<Begasus> got the recipes ready for tuxpaint, but will wait for the official release before I push them to haikuports
<humdinger> very easy and quick to upate, yt-dlp
<Begasus> ps, 64bit sdl2 works now
<Begasus> yep :)
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<humdinger> I recently tried lbreakoutHD. My fan was loud as a freight train... :)
<Begasus> hmm ... maybe I should add a conflict so it doesn't interfere with the sdl version (or drop that one totaly now)
<nosycat> Really? Those games used to be so light.
<Begasus> tried to build it a long time ago, without great successes, so nice to see it ending up there (haven't checked though)
<Begasus> nosycat, note the _HD in the name
<nosycat> Fair.
<Begasus> the default one is still slick :)
<humdinger> lbreakout2 (not HD) is still about the only game I play :)
<nosycat> Mood.
<Begasus> maybe I should just check boost here in virtual, faster I think then the other one
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<Begas_VM> is there a way to create a seperate bash history for when you switch to x86 on 32bit? (eyes at waddlesplash) :)
<humdinger> you could add an alias to your profile that renames /boot/home/config/settings/bash_history back and forth
<zdykstra> if [ "$( getarch )" == "x86_64" ]; then .... else ... fi
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<Begas_VM> cave man? ;)
<nosycat> Tee-hee!
<nosycat> Cat person, maybe.
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<Begasus> no cat man here :) https://ibb.co/V9ZjXbh
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<nosycat> Meow... er, woof!
<phschafft> em.
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<Habbie> Begasus, how do you "switch" to x86?
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<Begasus_32> In Terminal? "setarch x86"
<Habbie> oh, that just switches?
<Begasus_32> without the quoates :)
<Habbie> that i get :D
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<Habbie> waddlesplash, is this an interesting smoking gun? https://photos.app.goo.gl/7gD2CQJfEcjUbYYv6
<Habbie> waddlesplash, this is my original machine (the one that randomly reboots during builds). I don't think it was building here (but i'm not 100% sure), i may have just left it idle for a few days
<Habbie> waddlesplash, i also do not recall if this boot was with or without ACPI, but I do know the keyboard does nothing right now
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<zdykstra> now that's an interesting trace
<Habbie> good
<Habbie> as i said, i do not 100% know the context in which it happened, but i know plenty of important things
<Habbie> and once i reboot out of it, i can also tell you the hrev
<zdykstra> (at least to me it is, I'm hardly an expert)
<Habbie> :)
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<waddlesplash> Habbie: not really
<Habbie> aw :)
<waddlesplash> this just usually indicates the underlying FS got disconnected without closing cleanly
<waddlesplash> the real error is likely back in syslog and is probably unrelated
<Habbie> the underlying FS.. the SSD inside my machine
<Habbie> that's at least interesting to -me- :D
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<waddlesplash> sata?
<waddlesplash> it could just be some kind of error condition we're not handling properly
<Habbie> m.2 sata
<Habbie> right, yes
<Habbie> ok, going to powercycle and see if syslog has anything for me written to disk
<Habbie> which does not seem optimistic
<Habbie> bah, i really hoped this would be the key to everything :D
<Habbie> can haiku do remote syslog?
<waddlesplash> via Udp? don't think so at present but jessicah may have been looking into this
<Habbie> alternatively, would logging serial output have told me more here?
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<Habbie> my sshd auth issues are spreading between haiku installs...
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<Habbie> cool, first block in /var/log/syslog is actually resolv.conf
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<waddlesplash> oh, file cache or block allocator problem
<waddlesplash> or it just didn't flush fully to disk
<Habbie> ack
<Habbie> sadly there are no timestamps in syslog
<Habbie> what's "hda"? it logs a lot
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<jessicah> high definition audio
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<Habbie> right!
<jessicah> you probably have a corrupt bfs
<Habbie> are there tools to help?
<jessicah> there's checkfs
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<jessicah> but it generally "corrects" by wiping out invalid blocks, so you can get data loss
<Habbie> i have nothing of value here
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<Habbie> it freed 19 blocks
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<Habbie> seems happy otherwise
<jessicah> ah okay, not too bad then
<Habbie> ack
<Habbie> now let's see if this 25 year old motherboard-serial cable fits this 10 year old PC
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<Habbie> it doesn't :(
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<Habbie> i fixed my sshd problem. at no point was i even connecting to the right machine.
<phschafft> how I know those types of problems.
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<Habbie> :)
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<Habbie> perhaps i should change the username to the username i use everywhere else
<Habbie> and add my sshkey
<Habbie> then instead of 'authentication problems' i get 'that is not the terminal prompt i expected' :D
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<Habbie> the plot thickens, this time i can see in syslog on the haiku machine that sshd is refusing me
<Habbie> and the password works in telnet
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<jessicah> did you set the ssh password separately?
<jessicah> also, did you edit the config to enable root user?
<Habbie> i edited the config.. but not for that
<Habbie> keep forgetting everything is root
<Habbie> tada
<Habbie> thanks
<Habbie> what did you mean by 'set ssh password separately'?
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<jessicah> if it works, it works
<jessicah> oh, I can't remember, maybe it was as simple as 'passwd'
<white-wolf> O.K. i install haiku on Dell precision 7510 with xeon processor... where can post install report ? if possible a mailing list ?
<Habbie> yeah passwd is what i did
<Habbie> and yes, it works
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<jessicah> white-wolf: if it's a bug, issue, https://dev.haiku-os.org to report it
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<white-wolf> ok jessicah but no realy bug... it's install report on hardware
* Habbie starts build on a different machine - let's see if this one will crash too
<jessicah> white-wolf: oh, hmm, I'm sure there's a supported hardware database somewhere
<Habbie> on many other OSes, there is some hotkey i can hit, then type 'Termi', see it find the Terminal for me, hit Enter, Terminal starts
<Habbie> is there such a thing in Haiku?
<zdykstra> Habbie: yes
<zdykstra> QuickLaunch
<Habbie> ah, QuickLaunch + a shortcut key?
<Habbie> ok
<zdykstra> yeah, the Shortcuts interface needs a lot of love, but I have option + d bound to launch it
<zdykstra> I live and die by 'bemenu' on my Linux machine :P
<jessicah> oh I forgot I had quicklaunch installed
<Habbie> ok, while doing that i discovered that 'menu' opens the launchbar menu
<jessicah> I have mine mapped to option+space :)
<Habbie> also, i couldn't find "windows button" in Shortcuts
<Habbie> jessicah, i went for ctrl+space just now :)
<jessicah> it's called option
<Habbie> ah
<zdykstra> showin' the old Mac influence, I think
<jessicah> indeed
<Habbie> option is not in my list or i'm blind :)
<zdykstra> it could be both
<jessicah> shift control alt option key
<Habbie> oh like that
<Habbie> but picking Option without also picking a Key appears to do nothing :)
<jessicah> oh, yeah, you need a key, iirc
<Habbie> ack
<Habbie> thanks
<Habbie> i agree with zdykstra that it needs some love in a few ways
<Habbie> haiku itself doesn't use windows/option for anything?
<zdykstra> I don't think so
<zdykstra> the only place I've found it used is in Terminal
<jessicah> for majority of shortcuts :)
<Habbie> what does terminal use it for?
<Habbie> oh, option is the compose button! option-" a -> ä
<jessicah> oh, whoops, alt is for shortcuts, heh
<Habbie> right :)
<zdykstra> Alt = option
<zdykstra> someone should make a Haiku keycap set for a tenkeyless keyboard
<jessicah> win = option
<jessicah> alt = alt
<Habbie> this is a 60% keyboard
<Habbie> jessicah, right, that's what i see too
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<jessicah> :)
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<zdykstra> left alt = cmd on my layout
<Habbie> right
<Habbie> (sorry, no puns intended)
<Habbie> this shows a page called "Index"
<Habbie> but is it the page called "Index" one would expect there? :>
<Habbie> ah, this is an accident, and the root page is contents.html
<jessicah> lol, that's the wrong page, yep
<jessicah> that's a page about BFS indices
<Habbie> i noticed :D
<Habbie> ah, option-drag is a thing
<jessicah> learning all the things :)
<Habbie> i knew this 20 years ago ;)
<Habbie> found a bug
<Habbie> stack two windows, unstack them again, second title bar gets duplicated
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<Habbie> it's a drawing artifact, just moving something else over it makes it go away
<jessicah> yeah, there's been a few regressions
<jessicah> zdykstra: did you figure out your layout issues?
<zdykstra> that one isn't so bad - but the Z-ordering of stacked windows in the left/right cycling gets me
<Habbie> ah
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<zdykstra> s/stacked/stacked+tiled
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<zdykstra> jessicah: not yet. I didn't really put any time into it last night, though.
<jessicah> I need to start putting my jmap add-on together :)
<zdykstra> I'm too new to the layout library to have consistent forward progress. I'm learning 50 things at once trying to debug this.
<Habbie> jmap? for the mail client?
<jessicah> Habbie: yup
<Habbie> who even offers that service?
<jessicah> I've got a basic terminal app working
<jessicah> fastmail, who created it :p
<Habbie> sorry, i knew that :D
<Habbie> i meant besides them
<jessicah> build it and they will come? heh
<jessicah> I dunno, it feels a bit nicer than IMAP
<Habbie> ah, i forgot cyrus had it
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<Begasus> closing down here, g'night peeps
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<Habbie> i know there are books about BeOS out there
<Habbie> are there any books about Haiku out there? and, even more specifically, any for which buying them sponsors the project?
<Habbie> (i know a few open source projects have such books)
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<BrunoSpr> cocobean... It is not possible to install ffmpeg5_tools and keep Qmplay2?!
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<PulkoMandy> There are two Haiku books: "learning to program with Haiku" and "programming with Haiku". They are both available for free. You can buy a printed copy, it supports the original author who isn't updating them anymore
<Habbie> ah
<Habbie> i like that, but does it also support the project?
<PulkoMandy> I'm not sure we want to make information available only to people who can pay for it
<Habbie> that makes sense to me!
<Habbie> however, free PDF, pay for printed, printed sponsors project for $5 is nice
<PulkoMandy> No, if you want to (and can) support the project, donate some money to Haiku inc
<Habbie> understood
<Habbie> i can, and will at some point decide if i want to :)
<PulkoMandy> Yes, we could do that, but we need some text to put in the book. We don't even have a complete API reference
<Habbie> ack
<Habbie> so somebody contributing to docs would, marginally, be helping towards that effort :)
<PulkoMandy> And then there's the logistics of printing and shipping it
<Habbie> yeah
<Habbie> i understand there are on-demand print publishers now
<PulkoMandy> I did it for beta1 release dvds. Now I have 300 of these under my bed and don't know what to do with them
<Habbie> ugh
<jessicah> frisbee!
<Habbie> mirror wall
<Habbie> cheaper approaches to both exist
<jessicah> but yeah, selling physical products is problematic
<PulkoMandy> Yes, but how much money do we get from an on-demand publisher and how much goes to the publisher? Well I guess we can't lose money on it
<Habbie> PulkoMandy, that is my rough impression, but it may still not be worth the effort
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<cocobean> BrunoSpr: You can reinstall QMPlay2 afterwards.
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<BrunoSpr> cocobean... It is a chicken and egg problem now... if I try to install qmplay2 I am asked to uninstall ffmpeg_tools5 and yt_dlp
<BrunoSpr> and vice versa
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<foint[m]> Haiku is stock at this screen
<foint[m]> *stuck
<foint[m]> Any ideas?
<foint[m]> I'm using the beta 4 stable image
<bjorkintosh> driver issue perhaps, foint[m]?
<foint[m]> bjorkintosh: Maybe?
<foint[m]> How do i fix it?
<bjorkintosh> did it work previously with a different version?
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<foint[m]> Nop
<foint[m]> First time i'm triying haiku
<foint[m]> Very old pc
<foint[m]> On another pc it just throws a not bookable medium on haiku boot screen
<foint[m]> Should I try a nightly
<foint[m]> ?
<bjorkintosh> very old pc. how old? specs?
<bjorkintosh> foint[m], start here: https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/troubleshooting/
<jessicah> foint[m]: try pressing ctrl+alt+del
<jessicah> it's possible that Deskbar/Tracker didn't start/crashed
<jessicah> and it'll bring up Team monitor
<jessicah> if that doesn't work, then yeah, probably hung
<Habbie> foint[m], i see the photo, but i want to ask: can you describe the screen? entirely blue? entirely white?
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<jessicah> it's clearly entirely blue :p
<jessicah> it looks like Deskbar and Tracker didn't start/crashed
<jessicah> unless you can do serial io, not sure what else can be done, could try a nightly, perhaps
<jessicah> which version of haiku are you trying to, x86_gcc2h? x86_64?
<foint[m]> jessicah: X86_gcc2h
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<foint[m]> This are my specs
<white-wolf> be back
<foint[m]> Now this happens
<white-wolf> i discover haiku and the lot of bugs
<foint[m]> I changed it to a nightly
<white-wolf> can't filter account on beam
<foint[m]> Ctrl+alt+delete shutdown the computer
<foint[m]> white-wolf: ?
<white-wolf> need a lot of mail account and can't organize with beam
<foint[m]> How do I change the boot mode?
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<foint[m]> Oh nvm
<foint[m]> Shift works
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<foint[m]> Haiku documentation is really good
<foint[m]> OscarL: Thanks
<bjorkintosh> foint[m], do you have a different machine available?
<bjorkintosh> you might run it in a VM if you just want to check it out
<OscarL> np. I have only old hardware, but last I've tested beta4 was with at least 512 MB :-/
<foint[m]> foint, do you have a different machine available?
<foint[m]> Yup but for some reason I can't select the haiku volume
* OscarL should dig up his old Athlon TBird 900 MHz, and see if it really works with 256+128 MiB RAM sticks :-D
<OscarL> foint[m]: for the old PC with too little RAM.... you could try finding something like "BeOS5PEMaxEditionV4b1.zip" on the intertubes... (it's a customized version of BeOS R5 PE, with lots of BeOS software already installed). Good to see Haiku's roots, at least :-)
<foint[m]> foint: for the old PC with too little RAM.... you could try finding something like "BeOS5PEMaxEditionV4b1.zip" on the intertubes... (it's a customized version of BeOS R5 PE, with lots of BeOS software already installed). Good to see Haiku's roots, at least :-)
<foint[m]> Thanks I will try it later
<puck_> hmm, that's a very different error, no? (but both are interesting)
<foint[m]> <foint[m]> "8e891d5b-a3ba-4429-91bd-70e5af87..." <- If you see at the top of this image you will notice is the same error
<foint[m]> Maybe it is what happens when the machine has low ram?
<puck_> the error itself is just a null pointer dereference
<puck_> looking at where the error actually happens, it's either in auich_stream_commit_parms, but in the superuser question it's usb_hid_device_added
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<foint[m]> Thanks
<foint[m]> So it might be the usb?
<puck_> in your case it's the audio driver
<foint[m]> So no luck then
<OscarL> could try disabling it from the boot menu.
<puck_> you cuold try blacklisting it specifically, or even just booting in safe mode, i think?
<foint[m]> puck_: What is the option?
<foint[m]> For disabling the audio driver
<OscarL> if your machine is BIOS, hold the SHIFT key during boot (otherwise, hit SPACEBAR repeatedly) until it shows the Boot Menu.
<OscarL> "Select safe mode options"
<OscarL> then, go down the list that will apear, select "Disable system components"
<OscarL> hit enter over "[ ] add-ons/"
<OscarL> "[ ] kernel/"
<OscarL> "[ ] drivers/"
<OscarL> "[ ] bin/"
<OscarL> and finally..
<OscarL> enter on "[ ] hda"
<OscarL> that should mark it with an "x", hit ESCAPE all the way up to the main manu...
<OscarL> *menu
<OscarL> Select "Continue booting"
<puck_> i think disabling the auich driver is good enough here, so dev/audio/hmulti/auich, i thinik?
<OscarL> ah,,, my bad!
<puck_> it'd be interesting to prod at why it's dereferencing a null pointer
<OscarL> foint[m]: same steps, but disable the one puck_'s wrote :-D
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<puck_> (add-ons/kernel/drivers/dev/audio/hmulti/auich, i think)
<foint[m]> Ok let's see
<OscarL> I usually disable the ones frim /bin (works for me). but yea... should disable the auich one, not the hda one :-)
<foint[m]> I tried disabling the auich one and now I don't get the white screen
<foint[m]> But I'm still stucked in the blue one
<OscarL> is this on the machine with 190 MB of RAM?
<foint[m]> Yup
<foint[m]> On the other one it don't detects the volume
<foint[m]> At this point I'm just messing arround
<foint[m]> I don't expect it to work
<OscarL> that's fine.
<foint[m]> Ok I will try be os
<OscarL> Mind its age, thou, it is and old fellow, by todays standards :-D (released in 2000)
<puck_> i suspect the auich driver probably didn't get a lot of effort put into it recently
<puck_> stream->buffer is null