<OscarL>
oh, wow, it even has Cosmoe's sources. Haven't seen those in a while.
<jessicah>
yeah, I couldn't successfully get to the desktop in a vm with 190MB of RAM
<jessicah>
just the blue background
<foint[m]>
Mmmm
<foint[m]>
My pc don't detects the usb device os when using beos
<foint[m]>
Also with some versions of linux
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<white-wolf>
good night
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<foint[m]>
Good night
<zdykstra>
Hey OscarL
<OscarL>
Hola zdykstra!!!
<OscarL>
all good?
<foint[m]>
Hola? Are you spanish speakers?
<OscarL>
I am, not sure about zdykstra :-D
<foint[m]>
Yo también xd
<OscarL>
but... I tendo to use grettings from different languages, just to amuse myself, so... don't expect me to type Chinese if you see me open with "Ni hao", foint[m] :-D
<foint[m]>
Oh ok
<OscarL>
Yo soy Argentino, foint[m], vos? (I tend to keep it writting in my broken English, here, so the rest can at least try to make sense of what I write).
<foint[m]>
Jaja yo también soy argentino (and my English is also broken)
<foint[m]>
Me estoy muriendo de calor (I'm diying because of the heat)
<zdykstra>
English here, I spoke some German years ago but it has faded
<OscarL>
foint[m]: currently glued to my fan here.... Catamarca, go figure.
<zdykstra>
It's -3 C here
<OscarL>
only 25 C now here, but if feels... worse. must be the humidity (this is a usually a very dry place, so a bit of humidity worsen things)
<foint[m]>
I used to know Portuguese when I was like 5
<foint[m]>
But forgot it also
<foint[m]>
*i
<foint[m]>
<OscarL> "foint: currently glued to my fan..." <- Oh shit
<OscarL>
I only use the AC in case of emergencies :-D
<foint[m]>
I don't have an account and a fan
<foint[m]>
And I didn't have electricity in my house for a week
<OscarL>
Ouch! We lose power here too from time to time, but fortunately, not for that long.
<foint[m]>
I once losed electricity for 3 months
<foint[m]>
Some years ago
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<zdykstra>
wow! I can't imagine that.
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* OscarL
can't focus on anything today so... off he goes to play some good old S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
<OscarL>
Have a good one, zdykstra and foint[m]! Laters!
<Begasus>
Only of my laptop that runs Haiku native very nice sadly suffers from overheating, small projects can be OK but the larger ones it just freezes (hw issue me thinks)
<Habbie>
i'm going to try without SMP
<Begasus>
you can turn off some of the cpu's when Haiku is running, had to do that there too
<Begasus>
pulse
<Habbie>
pulse?
<Begasus>
One of the demo applications
<Habbie>
ah
<Begasus>
click on the green button to disable the cpu
<Habbie>
ack
<Habbie>
doesn't work now because i already booted without SMP :)
<Begasus>
;)
<Begasus>
an option for next time :)
<Habbie>
worth experimenting with, yes
<puck_>
hm, ticket 14082's link to stuffedcow implies zen 2 is non-coherent too? should be easy enough to replicate on modern hardware then
<waddlesplash>
puck_: it doesn't
<waddlesplash>
no random reboots on zen or zen 2
<puck_>
..maybe with all caches disabled?
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<Begas_VM>
I need a third mouse :)
<PulkoMandy>
Did we try microcode updates? I think korli had a working patch but it got a -2 vote on Gerrit and was never merged?
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 93b0a69 - Enable cpctools and gfx2crtc for all architectures
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<Begas_VM>
bbl
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<Habbie>
ermo[m], these are GX, but it doesn't help ;)
<Habbie>
PulkoMandy, there's something about microcode in that thread
<Habbie>
i wonder if i could boot linux, then reboot into haiku, to run haiku with fresh microcode
<Habbie>
but then i first need to figure out how to check that
<Habbie>
-j20 without SMP.. this machine is -hurting- :)
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<zdykstra>
A reboot will reset it. A kexec won't. Too bad you can't kexec into Haiku.
<Habbie>
that is too bad :
<Habbie>
:)
<Habbie>
in 14082, waddlesplash said
<Habbie>
>
<Habbie>
It would be interesting to see if you can get any of these issues to reproduce on KVM with AMD-V enabled. That way the page tables should be mostly going through the real MMU and not QEMU's MMU emulation, and then if you can trigger triple faults using this it may be much easier to debug.
<Habbie>
i can try that
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<et09>
j/c, anything on haiku (besides the system itself) that's unique to beos? games or other notable cool stuff
<et09>
to haiku/beos ecosystem
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<zdykstra>
Good question
<zdykstra>
My go-to answer years ago was SoundPlay, because it let you play mp3s backwards in the late 90s - nobody else could do that :)
<Habbie>
it also interrupted your playing with ads
<zdykstra>
x512[m]: fascinating!
<et09>
trying it for the first time, just got to the HAIKU boot screen :)
<zdykstra>
Habbie: I bought a license. Still have it on a backup CD, too
<Habbie>
hehe
<zdykstra>
Useless now, oh well.
<et09>
ahh it uses mac "cmd" style instead of ctrl lol
<et09>
how the heck do i get a dhcp lease...
<et09>
(oh its not plugged in)
<zdykstra>
You can change that
<zdykstra>
Preferences - Keymap
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<x512[m]>
But Alt shortcut key is better.
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<nosycat>
Arguably, but it still throws off anyone who regularly uses any other operating systems.
<nosycat>
It's very cool that Haiku lets you switch.
<Habbie>
because i regularly use -various- operating systems i have just.. learned to switch myself :)
<zdykstra>
I'm thinking of switching - spending so much time on Haiku has caused me to start using the wrong keys in Sway on my work computer
<Habbie>
which one will you switch? :)
<zdykstra>
Haiku, much easier to globally change there.
<Habbie>
:)
<zdykstra>
I'd probably never get it done for * in Linux.
<Habbie>
i remember macos also allows it
<Habbie>
i'm guessing there's a place in linux to do it for *
<Habbie>
which would, i guess, be in sway in fact
<zdykstra>
Sway can change it's own key bindings, but it doesn't setup GTK/QT/whatever-other-toolkits-you-use
<Habbie>
ah, i hoped because it was the display and input manager, it could remap
<Habbie>
like an input filter :)
<zdykstra>
ooh, I bet it could actually do that
<Habbie>
of course, everything you see on the screen will be wrong
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<zdykstra>
but god help you getting it right with out resorting to sacrifices to the dark powers
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<Habbie>
:)
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<zdykstra>
how goes the good fight to get Haiku running with out crashing?
<Habbie>
i am now doing tests on two machines, because why not
<Habbie>
the t520 is running a build with SMP off, to see what that does
<Habbie>
the t620 is running a build with SMP in KVM - waddlesplash suggested in a ticket comment that -if- it fails there, it might be easier to debug
<Habbie>
(with SMP on)
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<zdykstra>
good luck
<Habbie>
(tXXX are HP PC models)
<zdykstra>
I uh, hope you crash?
<Habbie>
i hope the one in KVM crashes
<Habbie>
i hope the non-SMP one does not
<Habbie>
because those are two things that would be useful data :)
<Habbie>
although, non-SMP crashing would i guess also be data
<Habbie>
anyway, thanks :D
<zdykstra>
the things we do for fun
<Habbie>
:)
<Habbie>
given i have these machines and don't need them right now, it's five minutes of typing once a day, it's not too bad ;)
<Habbie>
i even have -another- t520 in a drawer, through a logistical accident
<Habbie>
besides this issue they are very cute boxes
<Habbie>
also have one running home assistant
<Habbie>
freed up 3x pi4 with 2x t620
<zdykstra>
Very nice. I've grown to really love micro PCs for a lot of tasks.
<zdykstra>
I assume the HPs are quite light on power usage?
<Habbie>
the one running HA (and Plex) does 10W all day and 13W during the nightly HA backup
<Habbie>
so slightly more than a pi4, but it replaces two, so that's okay ;)
<Habbie>
the CPU appears to be slightly slower, but the SSD makes up for it
<Habbie>
i played with power save settings on the HA one but they didn't really make a difference. the default governor in linux these days is pretty much perfect
<zdykstra>
I haven't found that one, but that looks neat
<Habbie>
it is, and if you email him with a tip, he updates almost immediately
<Habbie>
now i wish i could point our local craigslist-like site to it and go "let me know if any of this is for sale" :)
<Habbie>
(i'm honestly considering shopping something like this with Intel, for Haiku)
<bjorkintosh>
Intel?
<Habbie>
bjorkintosh, i have AMD-related Haiku crashes
<bjorkintosh>
oh I see.
<Habbie>
but first i will see if i can improve that situation without cheating ;)
<x512[m]>
zdykstra: I managed to get Ctrl/Alt switchable in Haiku GTK 3+ port and Wayland backend.
<Habbie>
oh neat
<x512[m]>
It generate XKB keymap from Haiku keymap at runtime.
<x512[m]>
Generation have some bugs for now.
<Habbie>
Begas_VM, ohh, setarch is just a wrapper that sets some vars, makes more sense now
* Habbie
installs zstd and starts build again
<zdykstra>
x512[m]: I noticed, that makes Web really nice to use!
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<Habbie>
the only downside to occupying these two machines for build/crash testing is that i can't finish my haikuports work ;)
<Habbie>
but it'll have to wait
<Habbie>
zdykstra, which one is "Web"?
<nosycat>
A.k.a. Epiphany. The Gnome browser.
<Habbie>
ah!
<Habbie>
is anybody working on a firefox port? :>
<x512[m]>
WebKit and GTK based browser.
<Habbie>
ah, indeed, searching for 'Epiphany' on my debian gnome desktop gets me an offer to install "GNOME Web"
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<x512[m]>
Firefox is using custom build system so mobody knows how to build it for Haiku.
<Habbie>
i keep forgetting gnome rebranded everything to be descriptive
<Habbie>
.. without changing the names of binaries
<Habbie>
x512[m], ah, ugh
<x512[m]>
WebKit is using CMake and GTK/Epiphany is using Meson so build is easy.
<Habbie>
ack :)
<x512[m]>
For Firefox nobody know even how to start build process.
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<Habbie>
what would be the right display layer for firefox on haiku? wayland?
<x512[m]>
GTK probably.
<Habbie>
ah fair
<Habbie>
which on haiku would then use wayland?
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<Begas_VM>
re
<Begas_VM>
send the older laptop into the repair shop earlier (bought that one 11 years ago) :)
<x512[m]>
Do Firefox have direct Wayland backend?
<x512[m]>
If so, it can be also used.
<x512[m]>
GTK run over Wayland on Haiku.
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<x512[m]>
Because making native GTK Haiku backend is difficult and hard to maintain (GTK internal API is unstable, GTK 3 and 4 will need separate versions of backend).
<jessicah>
heh, I love mini-PCs too :) I run intel NUCs
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<Habbie>
my entire haiku vm disappeared
<Habbie>
ah, oomkiller
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<Habbie>
touch /tmp/foo
<Habbie>
General system error
* Habbie
is having all of the fun
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<Habbie>
checkfs sees errors but does not fix them
<Habbie>
reboots don't help
<Habbie>
nice
<zdykstra>
Damn
<zdykstra>
Can you restore the VM from a previous snapshot?
<Habbie>
don't have one
<Habbie>
reinstall would be about as easy anyway :)
<Habbie>
but i will make a snapshot this time
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<Habbie>
there, freshly installed
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<Habbie>
i could have sworn the previous install had a big haiku logo on the desktop
<Habbie>
this one does not
<Habbie>
there we go, build running in a loop again
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<jessicah>
Habbie: think nightlies don't have it
<Habbie>
i did both installs from the same image
<Habbie>
and i distinctly remember that the About replicator wouldn't work in bottom right on the previous install because the white text was unreadable over the logo
<Habbie>
but i have no way to "prove" any of this :)
<jessicah>
hmm, packagefs makes build process slow for dev :-/
<Habbie>
hmm?
<jessicah>
recreating packages each time is slow
<Habbie>
right, is that the 'making hpkg' or 'getting packagefs to expose it'?
<Habbie>
(i'm just curious, i do not know a lot)
<jessicah>
I guess I should fix up mail daemon to search for add-ons in all find path locations
<jessicah>
making hpkg
<Habbie>
ack
<jessicah>
packagefs is fast
<Habbie>
got it
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<zdykstra>
jessicah: it does at least use your home directory addons location
<zdykstra>
it's how I've been testing patches to the imap addon
<jessicah>
zdykstra: oh it does?
<jessicah>
hmm
<jessicah>
does it reload as well?
<jessicah>
so config/settings/non-packaged/add-ons/mail_daemon/inbound_protocols/ ?