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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<nephele> hi
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<Begasus> tl ...
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<Begas_VM> Not a bad setup in VMWare to play around in Haiku :)
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<Habbie> Begas_VM, s/Blok grootte/Blokgrootte/ :)
* Nomikos wonders how long it'll be for office suites to *not* offer fax templates
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] robxnano ddc1c8d - luabind: Use Boost 1.70, enable building on x86_64 (#7958)
<Begas_VM> Habbie, patches welcome (didn't do all the Dutch translation myself) :)
<Habbie> i might
<Habbie> i also might not ;)
<Habbie> i won't be using it anyway
<Begasus> come to think of it, need to find where those translations are done ...
<Begasus> not at polygot
<Begasus> always an isse if you switch to new laptops and don't bring over the bookmarks :)
<Begasus> s/isse/issue
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<Begas_VM> bbl
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<Begasus> re
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus a5ec9cd - libclaw, force boost1.70, enable documentation, remove static libraries (#7963)
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<OscarL> Welp, I see Begasus is still at it, doing work, that's good! How are you Begasus? Feeling better, I hope!!!
<zdykstra> mornin' OscarL
<zdykstra> I guess it's technically not morning for you any more?
<OscarL> Hello zdykstra! Good day to you too! :-)
<OscarL> noon, I guess... but I'm still slippy, so... all good :-P
<zdykstra> my wife makes coffee every morning to take in to work. Today, she forgot her travel mug on the counter. So ... I'm having coffee this morning!
<Habbie> haha
<Habbie> i hope you like coffee ;)
<zdykstra> I sent her a picture of me drinking it. Boy, that was not a good idea.
<OscarL> heh
<Habbie> just to be clear
<Habbie> you did that
<Habbie> before she had coffee?
<Habbie> usually you seem so smart :)
<zdykstra> well, she probably had some coffee at work
<zdykstra> or maybe stopped on the way?
<zdykstra> how's everybody doing today?
<zdykstra> I might be talkative today - I normally don't have any caffeine in my daily diet :P
<Habbie> hahaha
<bjorkintosh> does typing in irc count as sign language?
<bjorkintosh> you are ... talking with your hands via a medium afterall.
<zdykstra> heh
* OscarL ran out of coffee last week... to expensive to buy now. So... he'll have to switch to some long forgotten tea bags he bought (last decade for the look of it) for a while, at least :-D
<zdykstra> uff. Well, I hope the caffeine headaches weren't too bad
<OscarL> zdykstra: don't worry too much about being a bit too chatty... even I haven't been kicked out for that... yet :-/
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<OscarL> Habbie: do you want some assistance with the 32 version of your tio recipe? I could try to apply Begasus suggestions, and test it on my beta4 32 bits install.
<OscarL> s/32 version/32 bits version/
<Habbie> oh that would be great
<Habbie> i'm not stuck, just distracted, but all help is welcome :)
<OscarL> No problem. I'll get to it.
<Habbie> cool :)
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<Begasus> 'lo humdinger Habbie OscarL :)
<humdinger> hullo!
<OscarL> Good to read you Begasus!
<Habbie> hi :)
<Begasus> OscarL, first tackle inih, you need that for tio :)
<nosycat> o/
<Begasus> 'lo nosycat :)
<OscarL> indeed :-)
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<OscarL> grr, forgot that I have no clipboard integration on 32 bits :-D
<Habbie> integration with what?
<Begasus> :P
<OscarL> Habbie: I'm currently on Win10, using beta4 32 bits on VBox.
<Habbie> right!
<OscarL> Could try with VMware, but seems 8 GB is too little to have both VMware and Firefox running for long (makes Firefox crashs, or just die).
<Begasus> Beta4 on VMWare (Win11) :)
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<zdykstra> that's a good looking desktop
<Habbie> except for all the encryption
<zdykstra> it's criminal how good the BeOS/Haiku desktop still looks after 30 years
<Begasus> lowered down refreshrate, works pretty well now :)
<Habbie> zdykstra, indeed
<OscarL> Ryzen 7 5825U... /me drools. :-D
<zdykstra> How often does beta4 get updates?
<Habbie> i've had one in the last two weeks i think
<OscarL> ohhh /me learns a new trick (will make an alias out of it so he doesn't forgets): "> git fetch upstream pull/7948/head:pr/7848 && git checkout pr/7948". This is really handy.
<Habbie> it is great
<Habbie> i used that for years
<Habbie> but then i found something better:
<Habbie> this has 'gh pr checkout 7948'
<Habbie> which is even more convenient
* OscarL still can't understand how both Habbie and waddlesplash reply faster than I can hit enter :-D
<waddlesplash> idk
<Habbie> as for your variant, if you add this to the remote in .git/config, it becomes slightly more convenient:
<Habbie> fetch = +refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/*
<Habbie> fetch = +refs/pull/*/head:refs/pull/origin/*
* OscarL 's brain has built in lag, I guess :-D
<waddlesplash> I type at >100 wpm most days
<Habbie> me too
<Habbie> waddlesplash, in case you missed it, i tried with actually just having 4GB of RAM, but it didn't help - i believe this is not a surprise
<waddlesplash> yeah I saw
<waddlesplash> indeed not.
<Habbie> ack
<waddlesplash> you can try disabling ACPI
<Habbie> is that a bootloader toggle too?
<waddlesplash> yes
<waddlesplash> be warned this may make some hardware unusable
<Habbie> we'll see
<Habbie> 7 icons light up
<Habbie> the end
<waddlesplash> hmmm
<waddlesplash> enable onscreen debug out & disable onscreen paging
<waddlesplash> see what happens'
<Habbie> was just going to :)
<Habbie> this looks surprising
<Habbie> i wouldn't expect a missing symbol from disabling ACPI
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<Habbie> my indeed does not have that symbol
<Habbie> bbl, need to make dinner, will read back
<Begasus> hospital food, almost done :)
<OscarL> Hope you make a full recovery ASAP, Begasus!!!
<nosycat> Get well soon!
<waddlesplash> wat
<Begasus> going better with each day, tomorrow probably back home
<Habbie> waddlesplash, indeed
<waddlesplash> yeah that's very fishy
<waddlesplash> something's not right here at all
<Habbie> (now ircing from the kitchen ;)
<Begasus> hehe
<waddlesplash> we compile the entire system with -Wl,--no-undefined so this really shouldn't be possible
<Begasus> k checking msgpack-c ...
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<waddlesplash> Habbie: is this with a custom build of yours?
<Habbie> no
<Habbie> i built a lot but installed nothing
<waddlesplash> this is very weird because we haven't changed BFile in years
<Habbie> should just be an up to date beta4
<waddlesplash> so it's not even like we accidentally broke ABI or something
<Habbie> yes and it does boot with ACPI
<Habbie> so i am at least as "wat" as you are
<waddlesplash> does your launch_daemon really want that symbol?
<Habbie> i will find out after dinner
<waddlesplash> uhh. c++filt doesn't think that's a valid symbol
<Habbie> nice :D
<waddlesplash> is it just me, or is that a space???
<Habbie> good catch, probably is
<waddlesplash> well, something may be extremely wrong then
<waddlesplash> but I don't have any good ideas on how to go about looking for it
<Habbie> ack
<Habbie> i'll memtest and swap dimms to rule out the unlikely
<Habbie> (machine has been rock solid on linux)
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<OscarL> pff... should be easy! Remove all spaces, one by one, till you find the one causing the problem! /me wonders why he's out of work, mmm.
<zdykstra> lol
<OscarL> mmm and hp might actually try to build the _x86 versiion of inih, if I just ask for it instead of expecting "hp inih" to magically understand what I want. Oh well :-D
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<Begas_VM> lol OscarL :P
<OscarL> :-D
<Begas_VM> I could push the work I done here, but what the fun in there for you :P
<Begas_VM> s/what/what's/
<OscarL> Sure!, how I would learn, if not by trial and error
<Begas_VM> [ 93%] Linking CXX executable speed_test
<Begas_VM> /boot/system/develop/tools/x86/bin/../lib/gcc/i586-pc-haiku/11.2.0/../../../../i586-pc-haiku/bin/ld: cannot find -lrt
<OscarL> and errror, and error, and...
<Begas_VM> tsss ...
<OscarL> Nice to know you have something working, in case I give up too soon :-D
<Begas_VM> Looks like I 'got' time on my hands ;)
<Begas_VM> now where does msgpack use the -lrt ...
<Begas_VM> [100%] Linking CXX executable msgpack_variant_mapbased
<Begas_VM> got it :)
<OscarL> recipe uses fixPkgConfig, but doesn't lists "cmd:pkg_config" in BUILD_PREREQUIRES. ಠ_ಠ
<Begas_VM> cmake is capable of creating pkgconfig files :)
<Begas_VM> and you don't need pkg-config here because there is no third party library involved
<OscarL> Nice. thanks for the info Begas_VM :-)
<Begas_VM> 100% tests passed, 0 tests failed out of 31
<Begas_VM> Total Test time (real) = 3.00 sec
<Begas_VM> make: Leaving directory '/boot/home/wip/msgpack-c-cpp-6.0.0/build'
<Begas_VM> nice :)
<Begas_VM> (not needed for the recipe, but always nice to know they are OK
<Begas_VM> ps OscarL, fixPkgconfig only moves the pkgconfig file from $lib
<Begas_VM> ... $libd
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL da6f123 - pycryptodome/pycryptodomex: update to 3.17 (#7961)
<Begas_VM> typo ....
<Begas_VM> $libDir to $developLibDir ;)
<Begas_VM> and a bit more too ... ;)
<OscarL> I really should take a look at HaikuPorter's "scriptlets" source code.
<Begasus> ;)
<Begasus> or write some stuff down :)
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<Habbie> waddlesplash, i have news, not sure if good or bad -
<Habbie> waddlesplash, this is just two more non-ACPI boots. clearly it's not an ABI problem but something rougher
* Habbie dd's fresh haiku usb stick
<waddlesplash> yes, this is very weird
<waddlesplash> did anyone else on that very long ticket ever test with acpi disabled?
<Habbie> i'll check
<Habbie> no mention of ACPI in
<Habbie> people disabled usb, hda, radeon, PAE, but those didn't help
<waddlesplash> Hmm!
<Habbie> next on my list: 1. boot a fresh usb stick without ACPI, see what happens 2. try that on a different computer
<Habbie> hmm?
<waddlesplash> yeah, that's interesting that nobody seems to have tried that
<waddlesplash> I just posted a reply
<waddlesplash> asking
<Habbie> ok
<Habbie> question from me, if you don't mind - why would you hope disabling ACPI would help, and what hardware did you fear would stop working?
<waddlesplash> oh, ACPI is used not just for power management but all sorts of management stuff
<waddlesplash> dynamic interrupt routing depends on it in most cases
<Habbie> oh right, also 'plug and play'
<Habbie> etc.
<waddlesplash> yeah. WiFi hardware usually doesn't work with it disabled for instance
<Habbie> right
<Habbie> i didn't spot my wifi with it enabled either though
<Habbie> but that's okay
<Habbie> i have utp and i can even do my compile test without network
<Habbie> mentions Haiku :)
<Habbie> another interesting question would be if booting without ACPI currently works for anybody
<Habbie> if not: ok, another thing to solve, probably not as hard as my triple faults
<Habbie> if yes: we found a much shorter path to visible pain, which may be helpful
<waddlesplash> yes, it does
<Habbie> ok
<waddlesplash> some people boot with it permanently disabled, I think
<waddlesplash> and I test with it disabled not infrequently
<Habbie> ok
<Habbie> hmm, remind me, did you think the scope of the triple fault was "Jaguar" or "Kabini"?
<waddlesplash> the problem occurs with Bulldozer CPUs onward until Zen
<waddlesplash> so far as I know
<Habbie> ah, ok
<waddlesplash> both Jaguar and Kabini are eventually derived from Bulldozer
<Habbie> i'm trying to figure out what a amd gx-212jc would be
<Habbie> because i also have a few of those
<Habbie> Puma
<waddlesplash> well it'll be very interesting if these also exhibit the random reboots, and also don't booth with acpi disabled
<Habbie> yep
<Habbie> on it (give me a few days :) )
<waddlesplash> it looks like there is some very serious virtual memory problem
<waddlesplash> but that's what we've always suspected anyway
<Habbie> for now, on the single original machine, my haiku usb stick, booted without acpi and with safe graphics (because i know i need to) is asking me to pick a language
<Habbie> it also says /bin/notify crashed
<Habbie> so either i changed something on my install versus the stick, or last week's beta4 update broke something
<waddlesplash> or there's something else going on
<Habbie> ohh
<waddlesplash> another historic symptom of this bug was applications crashing completely randomly
<Habbie> the notify crash mentions ssh-keygen
<Habbie> and indeed my install came without hostkeys
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<Habbie> but i never saw this because i didn't have video at the time
<waddlesplash> the script which runs keygen, also runs notify to tell you it's doing that
<Habbie> does it run keygen if notify segfaults?
<waddlesplash> unless set -e was run
<waddlesplash> no idea
<Habbie> ok
<Habbie> i'll park that in my ssh notes for later
<Habbie> (so much to do, if i wanted to :) )
<OscarL> Begasus: Finally! I got the "grabbing..." messages for both inih_x86 and inih_x86_devel. Sigh... was missing the "packageEntries devel"... dumb me. Oh well :-D
<Habbie> notify/keygen crash:
<Begas_VM> hehe
<Habbie> ah, i know, i'll swap out the SSD, install haiku, see if ACPI dies, upgrade haiku, see again, etc.
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<Begas_VM> buggerr, they changed packages for msgpack, took me long enough to figure out ... :P
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<Begas_VM> OscarL, you're half through the PR then, the changes for tio are about the same as for inih :)
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<OscarL> Awesom-o, Begas_VM :-) Will try that now.
<Habbie> ack, both meson projects, but tio is simpler because it's not a lib ;)
<OscarL> I'll find a way to mess it up, don't you worry :-P
<Habbie> i trust in you!
<Habbie> (you can decide what that means)
<Begas_VM> hehe
* OscarL feels the "love".
<Habbie> in december and january, i did 30 debian installs while figuring out some things
<Habbie> today i'm doing haiku install #2 in a week
<Habbie> let's see where this ends ;)
<Begas_VM> lost about an hour over a recipe short while back, just couln't find the error (stupid double qoutes at the end of a line "") ;)
<OscarL> This can't be right... "hp tio_x86" worked after my first recipe save? Will have to triple-check things :-/
<Habbie> haha
<Habbie> bah, that was quick. The installed Haiku won't boot with ACPI.
<Habbie> wonder if "no ACPI" hates the SSD
<OscarL> installed both inih_x86 and tio_x86 (as $HOME packages). "> tio --help" works at least (and can read the > man tio" page). Cool!
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<Habbie> yay!
<Habbie> now connect something serial :)
<waddlesplash> Habbie: it would fail much earlier if the ssd was the problem
<Habbie> ah
<waddlesplash> you'd get "panic: no boot partitions" or something like that
<Habbie> right
<Begas_VM> OscarL did you try bash_completion with tio?
<OscarL> Begas_VM: saw it complain about it when it build.
<Begas_VM> not required, but ... (handy I presume) :)
<OscarL> "Run-time dependency: bash-completion found: NO (tried pkgconfig and cmake"
<Habbie> i guess that makes it a build prereq, even if that says run-time :)
<Begas_VM> does it work without it being in the recipe?
<Begas_VM> right :)
<Begas_VM> it just needs its path
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<andreasdr> Arrr. Hi there!!!
<Begas_VM> Hi andreasdr :)
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<OscarL> Hola andreasdr!
<andreasdr> Hi Begasus, OscarL.
<andreasdr> How is it going?
<Begas_VM> poking OscarL who is poking Habbie :)
<OscarL> Can't complain. Much at least. :-P
<Habbie> :)
<andreasdr> Nice.
<andreasdr> I have some visitor here. So cant do much currently. Arrrrrrr.
<andreasdr> Made a update. Need to restart my PC.
<andreasdr> Has somebody noticed in GLTeapot the "No OpenGL renderer available!" message?
<andreasdr> Do I need to install a package here or something?
<Begas_VM> ok, msgpack-c seems to be the same as we have current as msgpack_c_cpp
<Habbie> ok, booting the installer without ACPI gets me to a frozen desktop
<Begas_VM> the archive linked in our recipe links to msgpack-c-cpp wich now only contains header files and some cmake files ...
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<Begas_VM> jikes, still almost 400 frames with the teapot in virtual :P
<andreasdr> Arrrr
<zdykstra> slow down, the universe can only run at 450FPS max. If you exceed that, things get undefined.
<andreasdr> :DDD
<andreasdr> Maybe you can run that fast that you run faster than yourself or something.
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<Habbie> waddlesplash, could "no ACPI" break USB? (keyboard/mouse)
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<waddlesplash> Habbie: yes
<Habbie> ok
<Habbie> then i'm unsure whether my desktop is frozen or i just can't talk to it :D
<waddlesplash> lol
<Habbie> and i think i got rid of all my ps/2 keyboards
<Habbie> is serial enabled in the installer?
<Habbie> hmm i can boot with ACPI and configure serial if necessary i guess
<Habbie> although then first i need serial
<botifico> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 pushed 19 commits to master [+12/-12/±37]
<botifico> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 7446792 - containers/gerrit: rework plugins
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<Begasus> Habbie, you could try tio for that maybe? ;)
<Habbie> lol
<Habbie> i first have a hardware problem
<Habbie> once that is solved, i would absolutely use tio to talk to haiku's serial
<Begasus> No pressure OscarL 0 _°
<Habbie> i'm not dependent on OscarL's work here :D
<Begasus> probably not :)
<OscarL> Adding "-Dbashcompletiondir=$dataDir/bash-completion" to the meson call seems to have worked (after some head scratching, of course)
<Habbie> pkg-config didn't do the job?
<OscarL> I guess not, as it was giving that "Run-time dependency: bash-completion found: NO (tried pkgconfig and cmake)" without it.
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<Begas_VM> no need for that OscarL
<Begas_VM> just add it to BUILD_PREREQUIRES
<Begas_VM> meson will find it and it's path :)
<Habbie> right, i assumed completion was in prereq now :)
<OscarL> ok. I got confused again, and I was attempting to avoid having bash-completions as an install dependency :-)
<Begas_VM> it's not a install dependency
<Habbie> i think that would be solved by putting the completions in a separate package?
<OscarL> Begas_VM: understood! was just confused about it.
<Begas_VM> if you don't have it installed it won't find it :)
* OscarL confused? UNPOSSIBLE!
<Begas_VM> and without typos! :D
<Habbie> or are we saying - have it during build so it knows about it, and then don't depend on it at runtime, but the completion file will be there -if- bash-completion is present?
<OscarL> :-P
<Begas_VM> right Habbie
<Habbie> understood
<Habbie> which is fine because the completion file is so small
<Begas_VM> packages contents:
<Habbie> wonderful
<OscarL> got those here too, wooho! :-D
<Habbie> oh three packages
<Habbie> should *.so.0 be in both inih and inih devel?
<Begas_VM> yeah, tio only needs the base package from inih to work
<Habbie> sure, and they're in separate paths, but it still feels like a waste
<Begas_VM> you get to seperate the headers and pkgconfig files from the base package, as they aren't needed there (only needed to build tio)
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56834] -
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] e76f360a1577 - Mail: Refactor the Attachments (Enclosures) views to use layouts.
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<Begasus> Nice OscarL :)
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56835] -
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] f3dc3eabfcd8 - Mail: Increase the minimum size of the attachments view.
<OscarL> Noticed that there were two separate commits (one adding inih, one tio), but I "--amend"ed" my changes for both recipes to the latter, only :-(
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<OscarL> Guess Habbie will sort things out when updating his PR? :-D
<Habbie> oh yeah i can git
<Habbie> thanks OscarL
<OscarL> Begasus: thanks, as usual, for your help.
<Habbie> will have a look soon :)
<Habbie> thanks Begasus too
<OscarL> :-)
<Habbie> wow, the haiku boot loader menu is -sluggish- on this other machine
<OscarL> Habbie: do you have WAY too many old "states" ?
<OscarL> that slows it down for me.
<Habbie> this is a fresh install
<Habbie> the other install, which i'm comparing to, which is fast, has 20-30 states
<Habbie> and i don't think the 'safe mode options' menu would be slowed down by having states?
<Begas_VM> didn't do much OscarL:)
<OscarL> Begas_VM: oh, you always provide good suggestions, or the needed nudge! :-) Thanks for being there Begas_VM!!!
<Habbie> ok, the other machine boots without ACPI, but then, again, frozen -or- no USB :)
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<OscarL> Habbie: with my slow system + HDD, if I have many old states, the boot menu seems to hang, until it decides to show up. But you're right, it ain't *that* slow after it appears.
<Habbie> right
<Habbie> i specifically mean navigating it
<Habbie> i wonder if there's something terrible about the BIOS on this one
<Habbie> (i know for a fact many things are terrible about the BIOS on this one)
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] f6fad5e8c2d6 - src/test: Remove "sock".
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<Begas_VM> a bit of free space waddlesplash :)
<Begas_VM> 'lo jmairboeck
<waddlesplash> :)
<OscarL> Just in case.... "<Habbie> should *.so.0 be in both inih and inih devel?" the devel one only has symlinks to the .so from the base package.
<Habbie> ah! i hoped it was that
<badkeming[m]> Habbie: What was the conclusion re. your Piledriver-based CPU issue? (*was* there even any conclusion?)
<Habbie> sorry, which one is piledriver? i have jaguar and puma i think
<Habbie> but some names appear to overlap
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<Habbie> ugh, sshd is not coopearint
<Habbie> oops
<Habbie> cooperating
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<OscarL> Bulldozer, Piledriver, Steamroller, Excavator. That were the names of the microarchitecture (15h family) as they came out. Wikipedia has them as x86-64 "desktop" microarchs, and as "x86_64 low power" it lists: 14h (Bobcat), 16h (Jaguar Puma).
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<OscarL> Further complicating things. are the codenames for the actual CPUs using said microarchs :-D
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<Habbie> ok, the slower machine boots to a frozen desktop (or failing USB) but sshd works
<Habbie> except i can't login, for reasons unrelated to ACPI :)
<OscarL> Habbie: perhaps it's again the missing keys from the "post-install/" script, if that first boot failed?
<Habbie> no it was allowing password auth :)
<Habbie> and while fixing that i found why key auth isn't working on my other machine
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<Begasus> k, time to head down, g'night peeps!
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<OscarL> Sleep well Begasus!
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<waddlesplash> moment of truth: will this kernel patch boot? or will it KDL?
<waddlesplash> ... it booted. now, does it fix the problem?
<waddlesplash> uh, yes, it does.
<Habbie> nice
<Habbie> which problem?
<waddlesplash> you'll find out in 30 minutes when I commit this fix ;)
<OscarL> Uhh, seems I managed to properly fix the commits I lumped together earlier.... heh... /me doing interactive rebases properly?... Unpossible! :-D
<Habbie> waddlesplash, lol
<waddlesplash> we wouldn't want to make people too excited now, would we :-p
<Habbie> i am already way overexcited in a bad way ;)
<Habbie> (for non-haiku reasons)
<|cos|> Is it to be expected that neither 64bit nor 32bit Haiku boots on an old AMD Sempron machine? I see no reference to neither K8 or Hammer at so I guess so?
<waddlesplash> |cos|: what happens, specifically?
<OscarL> |cos|: I''ve tested it on an old Sempron (beta4) it works.
<OscarL> I even added it to the TC0 hardware survey at the time :-)
<|cos|> the machine resets very early, before the logo screen appears. neither holding space nor shift seems to prevent it.
<Habbie> can you try tapping space very fast?
<waddlesplash> is this an EFI machine?
<OscarL> hah...
<waddlesplash> |cos|: hmm, actually, I think this behavior is what happened to me when I tested on a Phenom machine with BIOS RAID enabled
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<|cos|> it is efi, but guess it's buggy as hell. no raid. it's a crappy laptop i got for free.
<waddlesplash> try with CSM disabled in BIOS
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<|cos|> there's practically nothing to disable or enable in bios. i did the silly thing of disabling video ram, so now the screen went black... whoops
<waddlesplash> LOL
<|cos|> guess it's a lost cause making use of that laptop. thanks for your answers and help!
<waddlesplash> eh, maybe not
<waddlesplash> do you have serial out?
<waddlesplash> can you run an EFI shell, or install rEFInd?
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<waddlesplash> Habbie: okay, here's a spoiler:
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<waddlesplash> $ time ./<benchmark-name-redacted> # before
<waddlesplash> real: 2m6.009s
<waddlesplash> $ time ... # after
<waddlesplash> real: 0m4.023s
<Habbie> wow
<waddlesplash> that's not a typo
<waddlesplash> admittedly this benchmark is a pathological case, but
<|cos|> i've unplugged the charger and battery, hoping that will reset the bios settings in a few days. will continue to play with haiku in a vm, but it would had been fun with running it on bare metal...
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<OscarL> |cos|: had seen some crappy BIOSes, but one that allows you to totally disable the (only) graphics cards... that's just... :-( Maybe there's a keycombo you can use to load/save the defaults even if "blind" ? (coz depending on the state of that laptop's RTC battery, you might have to way too long otherwise, no?).
<|cos|> the rtc battery seems completely dead, so yes. i'm back in business, with the display active again.
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<|cos|> oh. i might be completely confused. this machine likely is pre-uefi. i take it from guides/booting/ that the images should work on classic bios machines without any tricks?
<OscarL> I used a Socket S1 (638) 64-bit Sempron (1800) on a laptop (now dead), was BIOS only. Still have a Socket 754 Sempron... BIOS only, and those predate my current AM2+ (still BIOS only)
<OscarL> Same image should work, yes.
<OscarL> Mmm |cos| are you using the 64 bits image? Could your CPU actually be one of the 32-bits only ones?
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<|cos|> my reading of is that sempron should be 64bits, but i've tried both images
<OscarL> lots of 32 bits Semprons listed on :-/
<waddlesplash> |cos|: my question about BIOS RAID or something like that stands, then
<waddlesplash> that's the only time I've seen such behavior
<OscarL> but... if you tried already the 32-bits image... oh well... was worth a try :-)
<|cos|> OscarL: how can you tell the bit width from that wiki page? i see a bunch of details, but guess i'm missing how to derive that?
<OscarL> Notice that none of the mobile CPUs that use the socket 754 mention that...
<OscarL> but the ones using Socket S1 onward do.
<OscarL> Example line: "All models support: MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, Enhanced 3DNow!, NX bit, AMD64"
<|cos|> ah! thanks! it seems the one i'm actually having is an amd64 model. "sempron 3500+"
<OscarL> np! I have the previous one (SMS3400HAX3CM) from that dead laptop I mentioned. Indeed, those are 64-bit capable.
<Habbie> waddlesplash, ah, nice!
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<Habbie> waddlesplash, did you also try with a bigger hash table?
<waddlesplash> rehashing at this level is not recommended
<waddlesplash> too many variables
<Habbie> ack
<kallisti5[m]> nielx: any chance of an update to translate?
<kallisti5[m]> It's fallen behind a lot... and it no longer builds because it references a git:// submodule at github which appears to be no longer available via git
<kallisti5[m]> vs
<kallisti5[m]> looks like it was updated here in 2021 between 3.5.1 and 3.8.6. Your fork is 2.x
<kallisti5[m]> scratch that.. our pootle server uses 1.14.0 😬
<waddlesplash> that may be because pootle is 2.x
<waddlesplash> last pootle release, 2017
<kallisti5[m]> yeah. That's a bad sign
<kallisti5[m]> tons of open pull requests too
<kallisti5[m]> wonder if someone has forked
<waddlesplash> it may make more sense to enhance KapiX's translation thing and replace pootle with it, at this point
<waddlesplash> kallisti5[m]: how's your PHP? :D
<kallisti5[m]> oh, been a loooong time since i've been a php dev
<waddlesplash> well, this appears to be pretty "modern" php
<waddlesplash> Laravel 5, functions, lambdas, etc.
<kallisti5[m]> ooh. looks good
<kallisti5[m]> I do hate running our own stuff though like this
<kallisti5[m]> it takes away from our minimal development resources
<waddlesplash> well, this was put together for 3rd-party translations
<waddlesplash> it's already in prod use:
<waddlesplash> and has been for a long time
<kallisti5[m]> yeah. just signed up. I've actually never seen it befroe
<kallisti5[m]> *before
<waddlesplash> humdinger mentions it on the forums now and again
<Habbie> waddlesplash, confirmed, my desktop is not actually frozen, USB is just dead - listusb only lists the haiku XHCI roothub :D
<PulkoMandy> We should switch to weblate. They visited us at fosdem reminding us that pootle is dead, they seemed willing to help with adding our catalog format to it
<waddlesplash> well there we go, now kallisti5[m] has a mission :D
<Habbie> i regret missing you all at FOSDEM because i only installed haiku two weeks ago :)
<waddlesplash> or, maybe a mission for PulkoMandy or humdinger, really
<kallisti5[m]> PulkoMandy: I'll support moving from pootle however I can (running infra, etc)
<PulkoMandy> We weren't at fosdem this year anyway, they didn't accept our stand nor our talk. So you didn't miss anything
<kallisti5[m]> however, yeah... PulkoMandy or humdinger are great candidates to work on catkey support :-)
<waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: don't we actually do some weird conversion to import into weblate
<waddlesplash> sorry, I mean pootle
<waddlesplash> so, maybe we don't even need to add catkeys necessarily?
<PulkoMandy> We patched pootle to import and export catkeys
<PulkoMandy> Mainly because we need to preserve the comment and context strings, and the string hashes (but we should just remove that from the text based catkeys format)
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<PulkoMandy> I *think* the gettext format can't have both context and comment so we can't use it. But I had trouble finding complete specs for it back then
<PulkoMandy> If gettext format works, it would be simpler to adjust collectcatkeys/linkcatkeys to use that?
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<x512[m]> Got MangoPi booting up to "PANIC: did not find any boot partitions!".
<OscarL> x512[m]: nice! which model are you testing with? (just so I can read a bit more about them)
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Hey OscarL :)
<OscarL> Aloha, BarmenduChakraborty[m] :-D
<OscarL> thanks! Pretty cool x512[m]! Best of luck with your efforts!
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