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<OscarL>
Welp, I see Begasus is still at it, doing work, that's good! How are you Begasus? Feeling better, I hope!!!
<zdykstra>
mornin' OscarL
<zdykstra>
I guess it's technically not morning for you any more?
<OscarL>
Hello zdykstra! Good day to you too! :-)
<OscarL>
noon, I guess... but I'm still slippy, so... all good :-P
<zdykstra>
my wife makes coffee every morning to take in to work. Today, she forgot her travel mug on the counter. So ... I'm having coffee this morning!
<Habbie>
haha
<Habbie>
i hope you like coffee ;)
<zdykstra>
I sent her a picture of me drinking it. Boy, that was not a good idea.
<OscarL>
heh
<Habbie>
just to be clear
<Habbie>
you did that
<Habbie>
before she had coffee?
<Habbie>
usually you seem so smart :)
<zdykstra>
well, she probably had some coffee at work
<zdykstra>
or maybe stopped on the way?
<zdykstra>
how's everybody doing today?
<zdykstra>
I might be talkative today - I normally don't have any caffeine in my daily diet :P
<Habbie>
hahaha
<bjorkintosh>
does typing in irc count as sign language?
<bjorkintosh>
you are ... talking with your hands via a medium afterall.
<zdykstra>
heh
* OscarL
ran out of coffee last week... to expensive to buy now. So... he'll have to switch to some long forgotten tea bags he bought (last decade for the look of it) for a while, at least :-D
<zdykstra>
uff. Well, I hope the caffeine headaches weren't too bad
<OscarL>
zdykstra: don't worry too much about being a bit too chatty... even I haven't been kicked out for that... yet :-/
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<OscarL>
Habbie: do you want some assistance with the 32 version of your tio recipe? I could try to apply Begasus suggestions, and test it on my beta4 32 bits install.
<OscarL>
s/32 version/32 bits version/
<Habbie>
oh that would be great
<Habbie>
i'm not stuck, just distracted, but all help is welcome :)
<OscarL>
No problem. I'll get to it.
<Habbie>
cool :)
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<Begasus>
'lo humdinger Habbie OscarL :)
<humdinger>
hullo!
<OscarL>
Good to read you Begasus!
<Habbie>
hi :)
<Begasus>
OscarL, first tackle inih, you need that for tio :)
<nosycat>
o/
<Begasus>
'lo nosycat :)
<OscarL>
indeed :-)
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<OscarL>
grr, forgot that I have no clipboard integration on 32 bits :-D
<Habbie>
integration with what?
<Begasus>
:P
<OscarL>
Habbie: I'm currently on Win10, using beta4 32 bits on VBox.
<Habbie>
right!
<OscarL>
Could try with VMware, but seems 8 GB is too little to have both VMware and Firefox running for long (makes Firefox crashs, or just die).
<OscarL>
ohhh /me learns a new trick (will make an alias out of it so he doesn't forgets): "> git fetch upstream pull/7948/head:pr/7848 && git checkout pr/7948". This is really handy.
<waddlesplash>
is it just me, or is that a space???
<Habbie>
good catch, probably is
<waddlesplash>
well, something may be extremely wrong then
<waddlesplash>
but I don't have any good ideas on how to go about looking for it
<Habbie>
ack
<Habbie>
i'll memtest and swap dimms to rule out the unlikely
<Habbie>
(machine has been rock solid on linux)
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<OscarL>
pff... should be easy! Remove all spaces, one by one, till you find the one causing the problem! /me wonders why he's out of work, mmm.
<zdykstra>
lol
<OscarL>
mmm and hp might actually try to build the _x86 versiion of inih, if I just ask for it instead of expecting "hp inih" to magically understand what I want. Oh well :-D
<Habbie>
another interesting question would be if booting without ACPI currently works for anybody
<Habbie>
if not: ok, another thing to solve, probably not as hard as my triple faults
<Habbie>
if yes: we found a much shorter path to visible pain, which may be helpful
<waddlesplash>
yes, it does
<Habbie>
ok
<waddlesplash>
some people boot with it permanently disabled, I think
<waddlesplash>
and I test with it disabled not infrequently
<Habbie>
ok
<Habbie>
hmm, remind me, did you think the scope of the triple fault was "Jaguar" or "Kabini"?
<waddlesplash>
the problem occurs with Bulldozer CPUs onward until Zen
<waddlesplash>
so far as I know
<Habbie>
ah, ok
<waddlesplash>
both Jaguar and Kabini are eventually derived from Bulldozer
<Habbie>
i'm trying to figure out what a amd gx-212jc would be
<Habbie>
because i also have a few of those
<Habbie>
Puma
<waddlesplash>
well it'll be very interesting if these also exhibit the random reboots, and also don't booth with acpi disabled
<Habbie>
yep
<Habbie>
on it (give me a few days :) )
<waddlesplash>
it looks like there is some very serious virtual memory problem
<waddlesplash>
but that's what we've always suspected anyway
<Habbie>
for now, on the single original machine, my haiku usb stick, booted without acpi and with safe graphics (because i know i need to) is asking me to pick a language
<Habbie>
it also says /bin/notify crashed
<Habbie>
so either i changed something on my install versus the stick, or last week's beta4 update broke something
<waddlesplash>
or there's something else going on
<Habbie>
ohh
<waddlesplash>
another historic symptom of this bug was applications crashing completely randomly
<Habbie>
the notify crash mentions ssh-keygen
<Habbie>
and indeed my install came without hostkeys
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<Habbie>
but i never saw this because i didn't have video at the time
<waddlesplash>
the script which runs keygen, also runs notify to tell you it's doing that
<Habbie>
does it run keygen if notify segfaults?
<waddlesplash>
unless set -e was run
<waddlesplash>
no idea
<Habbie>
ok
<Habbie>
i'll park that in my ssh notes for later
<Habbie>
(so much to do, if i wanted to :) )
<OscarL>
Begasus: Finally! I got the "grabbing..." messages for both inih_x86 and inih_x86_devel. Sigh... was missing the "packageEntries devel"... dumb me. Oh well :-D
<botifico>
[haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 5e58fb6 - containers/gerrit: Migrate to ghcr.io
<botifico>
[haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 ffd4a74 - containers/cgit: Migrate to ghcr.io
<botifico>
[haiku/infrastructure] ... and 16 more commits.
<Begasus>
Habbie, you could try tio for that maybe? ;)
<Habbie>
lol
<Habbie>
i first have a hardware problem
<Habbie>
once that is solved, i would absolutely use tio to talk to haiku's serial
<Begasus>
No pressure OscarL 0 _°
<Habbie>
i'm not dependent on OscarL's work here :D
<Begasus>
probably not :)
<OscarL>
Adding "-Dbashcompletiondir=$dataDir/bash-completion" to the meson call seems to have worked (after some head scratching, of course)
<Habbie>
pkg-config didn't do the job?
<OscarL>
I guess not, as it was giving that "Run-time dependency: bash-completion found: NO (tried pkgconfig and cmake)" without it.
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<Begas_VM>
no need for that OscarL
<Begas_VM>
just add it to BUILD_PREREQUIRES
<Begas_VM>
meson will find it and it's path :)
<Habbie>
right, i assumed completion was in prereq now :)
<OscarL>
ok. I got confused again, and I was attempting to avoid having bash-completions as an install dependency :-)
<Begas_VM>
it's not a install dependency
<Habbie>
i think that would be solved by putting the completions in a separate package?
<OscarL>
Begas_VM: understood! was just confused about it.
<Begas_VM>
if you don't have it installed it won't find it :)
* OscarL
confused? UNPOSSIBLE!
<Begas_VM>
and without typos! :D
<Habbie>
or are we saying - have it during build so it knows about it, and then don't depend on it at runtime, but the completion file will be there -if- bash-completion is present?
<OscarL>
:-P
<Begas_VM>
right Habbie
<Habbie>
understood
<Habbie>
which is fine because the completion file is so small
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] f3dc3eabfcd8 - Mail: Increase the minimum size of the attachments view.
<OscarL>
Noticed that there were two separate commits (one adding inih, one tio), but I "--amend"ed" my changes for both recipes to the latter, only :-(
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<OscarL>
Guess Habbie will sort things out when updating his PR? :-D
<Habbie>
oh yeah i can git
<Habbie>
thanks OscarL
<OscarL>
Begasus: thanks, as usual, for your help.
<Habbie>
will have a look soon :)
<Habbie>
thanks Begasus too
<OscarL>
:-)
<Habbie>
wow, the haiku boot loader menu is -sluggish- on this other machine
<OscarL>
Habbie: do you have WAY too many old "states" ?
<OscarL>
that slows it down for me.
<Habbie>
this is a fresh install
<Habbie>
the other install, which i'm comparing to, which is fast, has 20-30 states
<Habbie>
and i don't think the 'safe mode options' menu would be slowed down by having states?
<Begas_VM>
didn't do much OscarL:)
<OscarL>
Begas_VM: oh, you always provide good suggestions, or the needed nudge! :-) Thanks for being there Begas_VM!!!
<Habbie>
ok, the other machine boots without ACPI, but then, again, frozen -or- no USB :)
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<OscarL>
Habbie: with my slow system + HDD, if I have many old states, the boot menu seems to hang, until it decides to show up. But you're right, it ain't *that* slow after it appears.
<Habbie>
right
<Habbie>
i specifically mean navigating it
<Habbie>
i wonder if there's something terrible about the BIOS on this one
<Habbie>
(i know for a fact many things are terrible about the BIOS on this one)
<OscarL>
Just in case.... "<Habbie> should *.so.0 be in both inih and inih devel?" the devel one only has symlinks to the .so from the base package.
<Habbie>
ah! i hoped it was that
<badkeming[m]>
Habbie: What was the conclusion re. your Piledriver-based CPU issue? (*was* there even any conclusion?)
<Habbie>
sorry, which one is piledriver? i have jaguar and puma i think
<Habbie>
but some names appear to overlap
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<Habbie>
ugh, sshd is not coopearint
<Habbie>
oops
<Habbie>
cooperating
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<OscarL>
Bulldozer, Piledriver, Steamroller, Excavator. That were the names of the microarchitecture (15h family) as they came out. Wikipedia has them as x86-64 "desktop" microarchs, and as "x86_64 low power" it lists: 14h (Bobcat), 16h (Jaguar Puma).
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<OscarL>
Further complicating things. are the codenames for the actual CPUs using said microarchs :-D
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<Habbie>
ok, the slower machine boots to a frozen desktop (or failing USB) but sshd works
<Habbie>
except i can't login, for reasons unrelated to ACPI :)
<OscarL>
Habbie: perhaps it's again the missing keys from the "post-install/sshd_keymaker.sh" script, if that first boot failed?
<Habbie>
no it was allowing password auth :)
<Habbie>
and while fixing that i found why key auth isn't working on my other machine
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<Begasus>
k, time to head down, g'night peeps!
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<OscarL>
Sleep well Begasus!
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<waddlesplash>
moment of truth: will this kernel patch boot? or will it KDL?
<waddlesplash>
... it booted. now, does it fix the problem?
<waddlesplash>
uh, yes, it does.
<Habbie>
nice
<Habbie>
which problem?
<waddlesplash>
you'll find out in 30 minutes when I commit this fix ;)
<OscarL>
Uhh, seems I managed to properly fix the commits I lumped together earlier.... heh... /me doing interactive rebases properly?... Unpossible! :-D
<Habbie>
waddlesplash, lol
<waddlesplash>
we wouldn't want to make people too excited now, would we :-p
<Habbie>
i am already way overexcited in a bad way ;)
<Habbie>
(for non-haiku reasons)
<|cos|>
Is it to be expected that neither 64bit nor 32bit Haiku boots on an old AMD Sempron machine? I see no reference to neither K8 or Hammer at https://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/HardwareInfo so I guess so?
<waddlesplash>
|cos|: what happens, specifically?
<OscarL>
|cos|: I''ve tested it on an old Sempron (beta4) it works.
<OscarL>
I even added it to the TC0 hardware survey at the time :-)
<|cos|>
the machine resets very early, before the logo screen appears. neither holding space nor shift seems to prevent it.
<Habbie>
can you try tapping space very fast?
<waddlesplash>
is this an EFI machine?
<OscarL>
hah...
<waddlesplash>
|cos|: hmm, actually, I think this behavior is what happened to me when I tested on a Phenom machine with BIOS RAID enabled
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<|cos|>
it is efi, but guess it's buggy as hell. no raid. it's a crappy laptop i got for free.
<waddlesplash>
try with CSM disabled in BIOS
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<|cos|>
there's practically nothing to disable or enable in bios. i did the silly thing of disabling video ram, so now the screen went black... whoops
<waddlesplash>
LOL
<|cos|>
guess it's a lost cause making use of that laptop. thanks for your answers and help!
<waddlesplash>
eh, maybe not
<waddlesplash>
do you have serial out?
<waddlesplash>
can you run an EFI shell, or install rEFInd?
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<waddlesplash>
Habbie: okay, here's a spoiler:
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<waddlesplash>
$ time ./<benchmark-name-redacted> # before
<waddlesplash>
real: 2m6.009s
<waddlesplash>
$ time ... # after
<waddlesplash>
real: 0m4.023s
<Habbie>
wow
<waddlesplash>
that's not a typo
<waddlesplash>
admittedly this benchmark is a pathological case, but
<|cos|>
i've unplugged the charger and battery, hoping that will reset the bios settings in a few days. will continue to play with haiku in a vm, but it would had been fun with running it on bare metal...
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<OscarL>
|cos|: had seen some crappy BIOSes, but one that allows you to totally disable the (only) graphics cards... that's just... :-( Maybe there's a keycombo you can use to load/save the defaults even if "blind" ? (coz depending on the state of that laptop's RTC battery, you might have to way too long otherwise, no?).
<|cos|>
the rtc battery seems completely dead, so yes. i'm back in business, with the display active again.
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<|cos|>
oh. i might be completely confused. this machine likely is pre-uefi. i take it from guides/booting/ that the images should work on classic bios machines without any tricks?
<OscarL>
I used a Socket S1 (638) 64-bit Sempron (1800) on a laptop (now dead), was BIOS only. Still have a Socket 754 Sempron... BIOS only, and those predate my current AM2+ (still BIOS only)
<OscarL>
Same image should work, yes.
<OscarL>
Mmm |cos| are you using the 64 bits image? Could your CPU actually be one of the 32-bits only ones?
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<kallisti5[m]>
It's fallen behind a lot... and it no longer builds because it references a git:// submodule at github which appears to be no longer available via git
<kallisti5[m]>
yeah. just signed up. I've actually never seen it befroe
<kallisti5[m]>
*before
<waddlesplash>
humdinger mentions it on the forums now and again
<Habbie>
waddlesplash, confirmed, my desktop is not actually frozen, USB is just dead - listusb only lists the haiku XHCI roothub :D
<PulkoMandy>
We should switch to weblate. They visited us at fosdem reminding us that pootle is dead, they seemed willing to help with adding our catalog format to it
<waddlesplash>
well there we go, now kallisti5[m] has a mission :D
<Habbie>
i regret missing you all at FOSDEM because i only installed haiku two weeks ago :)
<waddlesplash>
or, maybe a mission for PulkoMandy or humdinger, really
<kallisti5[m]>
PulkoMandy: I'll support moving from pootle however I can (running infra, etc)
<PulkoMandy>
We weren't at fosdem this year anyway, they didn't accept our stand nor our talk. So you didn't miss anything
<kallisti5[m]>
however, yeah... PulkoMandy or humdinger are great candidates to work on catkey support :-)
<waddlesplash>
PulkoMandy: don't we actually do some weird conversion to import into weblate
<waddlesplash>
sorry, I mean pootle
<waddlesplash>
so, maybe we don't even need to add catkeys necessarily?
<PulkoMandy>
We patched pootle to import and export catkeys
<PulkoMandy>
Mainly because we need to preserve the comment and context strings, and the string hashes (but we should just remove that from the text based catkeys format)
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<PulkoMandy>
I *think* the gettext format can't have both context and comment so we can't use it. But I had trouble finding complete specs for it back then
<PulkoMandy>
If gettext format works, it would be simpler to adjust collectcatkeys/linkcatkeys to use that?
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<x512[m]>
Got MangoPi booting up to "PANIC: did not find any boot partitions!".
<OscarL>
x512[m]: nice! which model are you testing with? (just so I can read a bit more about them)