<Habbie>
no, it just appears to be failing miserably :)
<BiPolar>
ouch.
<BiPolar>
Welp, after fixing some bugs in my it87 driver (and surely having introduced a couple more)... time to get some icecream, before it goes up in price again (Argentine's inflation is NUTS).
<Habbie>
ouch
<Habbie>
also, enjoy
<BiPolar>
Thanks. Read you later!
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<Habbie>
yeah, ubertuber will report a truncated error message in its main window, and then do nothing
<Habbie>
but quitting it will ask "abort or continue download"
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<Habbie>
i'm on day 4 of trying haiku r1/beta4 and i'm loving what you folks have done
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<_Dario_>
glad to hear that, Habbie :)
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<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] robxnano a9f5b1f - libzmf: Use Boost 1.70 (#7912)
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<code_vaibhav[m]>
Hi everyone! I am trying to understand the watch_node() function which I came across while solving a ticket.What happens when a watch node function is called with WATCH_DIRECTORY flag and a node reference is passed?Who watches for the said events on that node.Is it the kernel? Is this polling based system?
<code_vaibhav[m]>
* Hi everyone! I am trying to understand the watch_node() function which I came across while solving a ticket.What happens when a watch node function is called with WATCH_DIRECTORY flag and a node reference is passed?Who watches for the said events on that node. Is it the kernel? Is this polling based system?
<PulkoMandy>
the kernel "watched" it. It's based on the filesystem layer notifying when something changes, no polling is used
<PulkoMandy>
it is similar to inotify on Linux but with a different API
<code_vaibhav[m]>
In Linux inotify kernel sets up a watch descriptor add returns it to a calling process.Is it same in Haiku?
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<PulkoMandy>
code_vaibhav[m], in Haiku we use ports rather than file descriptors. Ports are a Haiku specific way to send notifications to processes and threads and is also the base of the BMessage system used for pretty much everything
<code_vaibhav[m]>
Got it.Thanks PulkoMandy .
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<robxnano[m]>
But when I built the package locally it didn't have any of these errors
<robxnano[m]>
The difference seems to be that the buildmaster activated the xlibe_devel package, while the local build did not. Any ideas why this would happen?
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<Begasus>
'lo peeps
<andreasdr[m]>
Hi there.
<andreasdr[m]>
How is it going?
<Begasus>
Hi andreasdr[m] , doing fine here, just got back from dogschool :)
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<Begasus>
k, another round for lilypond ...
<jmairboeck>
good luck :)
<jmairboeck>
although I doubt that your crash is fixed, if it occurs consistently
<jmairboeck>
in my latest PR I just fixed the packageEntries invocations in INSTALL, the rest was working fine on buildmaster
<Begasus>
I saw that error also when trying to build without the docs package jmairboeck , will see how it goes here
<pairisto[m]>
x512: I'm assuming anything else under the `add-ons/kernel/drivers` path can also be used as an example?
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<x512[m]>
Yes.
<pairisto[m]>
thank you!
<x512[m]>
You need to implement driver_module_info interface for device manager node and device_module_info to expose /dev/* file.
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<pairisto[m]>
got it, and in haiku itself, what is the path to /dev? is it just cd /dev or?
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<x512[m]>
/dev path is the same as in Linux or other UNIX-like OS. But many device names are different from Linux. No /dev/sda for example, but /dev/null, /dev/zero, /dev/random exists.
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<andreasdr[m]>
Begasus: Nice.
<andreasdr[m]>
I want dog photos!!!
<Begasus>
andreasdr[m], plenty online :)
<Begasus>
robxnano[m], did you check a build on 32bit for mupen64plus?
<Begasus>
got another build running here so can't check there
<robxnano[m]>
Yeah, with DISABLE_ASLR=1 it built successfully
<Begasus>
ok, let's merge and see what happens on buildmaster, thanks!
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] robxnano 804efee - cgal: Use Boost 1.70 (#7909)
<jmairboeck>
ok, korli merged it anyway :)
<Begasus>
even if things work out ok here, I'm guessing buildmaster is finished before me :)
<jmairboeck>
I think it also needed over 2 hours yesterday
<Begasus>
At it here for about 2 hours
<Begasus>
and ... crash :/
<jmairboeck>
bummer :/
<jmairboeck>
lets hope buildmaster does better this time
<Begasus>
yeah
<jmairboeck>
I still wonder where your crashes come from. Do you have any weird fonts installed or something?
<Begasus>
Not to my knowlidge
<Begasus>
k, buildmaster at that same point where it's failing here
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<Begasus>
'lo humdinger :)
<humdinger>
hello, hello, hello
<humdinger>
what's going on here?
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<Begasus>
not much, taking an eye on buildmasters progress :)
<Begasus>
and hacking a bit to get a local build for lilypond here :)
<humdinger>
making sure they don't take a wrong turn
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<Begasus>
some things need to be looked at when a PR is merged :)
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<Begasus>
ps, Dutch translation for UploadIT done yesterday :)
<humdinger>
So I saw, thanks!
<humdinger>
a rather small task, though. :P
<Begasus>
Only a few lines, so done quickly :)
<jmairboeck>
humdinger: I noticed a bug in the German translation, but I can't do anything: "UploadIt *can* nur als Tracker Add-on benutzt werden.\n"
<humdinger>
oops :)
<humdinger>
will fix, thanks
<Begasus>
tsss :P
<humdinger>
my brain is split sometimes
<humdinger>
there. fixed.
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<Begasus>
jmairboeck, commented out line 166 in the recipe (make $jobArgs doc), now it seems to be building the docs in (INSTALL)?
<jmairboeck>
yes, install-doc depends on doc obviously
<jmairboeck>
what else should it install
<Begasus>
well, it doesn't error out for one (yet)
<jmairboeck>
that is actually quite standard in make based builds, normally "make install" alone is sufficient without a separate "make" before
<Begasus>
yeah, know that, but running make in "BUILD" seems to cause a crash, while running "make install" in "INSTALL" doesn't seem to (yet)? ;)
<Begasus>
ps, only the Enlgish files are processed
<Begasus>
for now*
<jmairboeck>
ah, maybe it has something to do with $jobArgs
<Begasus>
could be yes
<jmairboeck>
I have seen somewhere that the doc build is unstable when run in parallel
<Begasus>
that would explain this
<jmairboeck>
ok, on the next update, I'll remove it from make doc
<jmairboeck>
if I don't forget it
<jmairboeck>
there would be the variable CPU_COUNT to speed up the doc build by letting multiple lilypond instances do the heavy lifting in parallel, but that just hung and never made any progress on my system, so I wasn't using that (as explained in the comment)
<Begasus>
If this finishes up OK I'll do a run for it here without $jobArgs to see
<Begasus>
but probably not for today :)
<Begasus>
killed the build, might as well test it now
<Begasus>
also had some older texlive packages in haikuporters tree, cleaned now ...
<pairisto[m]>
is there a defined struct within haiku that is similar to the sk_buff struct in linux?\
<pairisto[m]>
s/sk_buff/sk\_buff/, s/?\/?/
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<PulkoMandy>
I'm not familiar enough with linux to know what sk_buff is
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<pairisto[m]>
from what I can gather its a queue built with a doubly linked list that has network packet information in it
<pairisto[m]>
s/it/its data field/
<PulkoMandy>
I guess net_buffer in haiku is somewhat similar
<PulkoMandy>
not really identical, the stack operates a bit differently I think, Linux exposes the low level details (storing the packet data in a buffer, and then having the sk_buff structures point to various parts of it for various protocol levels)
<PulkoMandy>
in Haiku, the net_buffer interface does not expose all this low level things it seems
<pairisto[m]>
I was thinking about using net_buffer as a stand in just didn't know if there was something more like it but I might be able to get around the low level restrictions
<pairisto[m]>
* I was thinking about using net_buffer as a stand in just didn't know if there was something more like it but I might be able to get around the lack of low level exposure
<PulkoMandy>
well it's not really restrictions, net_buffer is just a C structure so you can do whatever you want with it
<PulkoMandy>
(or if you need to add functions to the net_buffer module, that should be possible too)
<pairisto[m]>
fair enough, that's why I had to reword it :p
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<Begasus>
still crashes here jmairboeck :/
<jmairboeck>
without $jobArgs?
<Begasus>
yep
<Begasus>
cleaning the build, for now done :)
<jmairboeck>
okay
<Begasus>
buildmaster still at it so that is fine for now
<jmairboeck>
buildmaster is still building happily (both of them)
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<Begasus>
jmairboeck, almost there, crossing fingers :)
<jmairboeck>
I'm seeing it, Begasus!
<pairisto[m]>
whats the difference between the net_ and the if_ header files?
<pairisto[m]>
* whats the difference between the net_ and the if_ header files?
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<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] robxnano 6eba197 - mlpack: use Boost 1.70 (#7904)
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<Begasus>
congrats jmairboeck ! ;)
<jmairboeck>
thank you Begasus! (and everyone else helping me with this)
<Begasus>
glad it worked out fine now, you did the hard work :)
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<Begasus>
g'evening OscarL :)
* OscarL
jumps in to also congratulate jmairboeck (and company) for their work and perseverance with this darn lilypond recipe! :-D
<OscarL>
Aloha, Begasus!
<OscarL>
I've been reading you battle with that recipe since at least early october, I think :-). Nice to see it finally pass that x86 buildmaster :-D
<Begasus>
together with frescobaldi it's the first app I saw on Haiku being able to produce music partitures (?) (not sure if I pronounce that right) :)
<OscarL>
partitures sounds about right for me, but I might be transliterating from Castillian "partituras" :-)
<Begasus>
In Dutch it's "partituren", so a bit simular :)
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<Begasus>
seems in English it's called "scores" according to google translate
<jmairboeck>
MuseScore is similar, we have that a bit longer already.
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<Begasus>
Yeah, but haven't seen anything simular there yet jmairboeck (or I didn't check enough) :)
<jmairboeck>
but the paradigm is totally different. MuseScore is classic WYSIWYG and clicking on buttons and positioning stuff with the mouse, while Lilypond is based on a text format.
<jmairboeck>
as a software engineer, I find the latter approach to be naturally superior :)
<Begasus>
;)
<Begasus>
I was used to doing it in writing on paper
<jmairboeck>
I have never really done that. Everything I know about music (typesetting) is pretty much self-taught
<Begasus>
had some classes long ago in writing music (basics), but that has been so long ago that I don't go there any more :)
<Begasus>
mostly choir music (4 voices)
<Begasus>
anyway, another (small) victory for texlive here :)
<Begasus>
you can mention it at the forum jmairboeck :)
<Begasus>
heading down here, done for this weekend, cu peeps!
<jmairboeck>
texlive was a (big) by-product of porting lilypond :)
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<zdykstra>
Habbie: that's done via mdns, so you'll have to find to tool to do that for Haiku
<Habbie>
ack - i was wondering if there was a "here's what everybody uses today" answer
<Habbie>
no avahi in haikuports, i do see qmdnsengine
<zdykstra>
I just do static dhcp, and pfsense auto-creates rdns entries for me
<Habbie>
ack :)
<PulkoMandy>
Habbie, we don't have support for bonjour/zeroconf which is what you'd need for .local domains. And this in turn probably requires fixing or at least testing our ipv4 multicast support (or ipv6 if you do that)
<PulkoMandy>
it's on the TODO list to eventually get printer discovery to work, so, if you're looking for a project... :>
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<arfarf>
@OscarL Ethernet is RTL8111/8168/8411; I’ll find some Linux lspci / lsusb output
<OscarL>
I have an RTL8168, and that works well.
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<pairisto[m]>
whats the difference between the net_ and the if_ header files?
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<snappy_snake>
hi there. is anyone here?
<n0toose[m]>
we're all here!
<n0toose[m]>
so, snappy_snake is looking for an operating system where all images/gifs can be disabled, i am not sure if that's possible with haiku
<n0toose[m]>
does that include e.g. web backgrounds or file thumbnails?
<snappy_snake>
i have no idea what those are :O
<n0toose[m]>
does your problem have anything to do with websites?
<snappy_snake>
sorry, im not very tech savvy
<n0toose[m]>
sorry, my bad
<n0toose[m]>
and i also used a wrong term
<snappy_snake>
oh, actually I know how to disable images on web browsers, so thats not a problem
<n0toose[m]>
uhhhh, do you know what a desktop background is?
<snappy_snake>
you mean like the image in background when I first boot up my PC?
<n0toose[m]>
yep!
<snappy_snake>
yeah, i dont mind that being there
<n0toose[m]>
when you look in folders, do you mind seeing previews of an image before you open them?
<snappy_snake>
nope, thats not a problem
<n0toose[m]>
like, small icons that display the image
<snappy_snake>
small file icons are fine
<n0toose[m]>
hm, what is a problem then? what's not working out for you on windows?
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<n0toose[m]>
and all in all, what do you use your computer for, if you don't mind me asking or if you can/want to elaborate in the first place
<snappy_snake>
well, i asked this question about 6 months ago on Reddit, and some guy there told me, that on Windows its not very easy to elimiate all image files
<n0toose[m]>
eliminate as in remove?
<n0toose[m]>
or suppress
<snappy_snake>
or disable
<snappy_snake>
like to see only blank image, or no image at all
<n0toose[m]>
but the icons are okay?
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<snappy_snake>
yes, icons are fine
<snappy_snake>
i just dont want to be able to open .jpg's, .png's, etc.
<snappy_snake>
or .gifs, or even videos
<n0toose[m]>
i don't think there's a way to fully disable haiku's image capabilities, but it's technically possible to disable that on haiku by removing programs that can do this
<n0toose[m]>
i think you can do something like that on windows as well with a bit of effort
<snappy_snake>
hmm, i see
<snappy_snake>
so like using Registry Editor on Windows or something like that?
<snappy_snake>
or is it more complex?
<n0toose[m]>
a user friendly way to remove built-in applications from windows that i regularly use on windows 10 to make it faster is https://w10privacy.de
<Habbie>
PulkoMandy, oh i blindly assumed working multicast :D I'm not sure I'm looking for a project ;)
<n0toose[m]>
it also gives you the option to e.g. block microsoft servers or remove built-in apps
<n0toose[m]>
not sure if you use windows 10 or 11
<n0toose[m]>
that's probably very off-topic to haiku, but i think it's the most accurate answer i could give on the subject itself.
<snappy_snake>
im on Windows 10
<AlienSoldier>
well if you remove the image translator it shoul no longer show them i guess, same as removing image datatype in Amiga OS.
<n0toose[m]>
yea, you should try that if you want to remove built-in apps like microsoft edge or image viewers and whatnot -- just be careful, they could come back eventually with an update
<n0toose[m]>
but yeah, haiku can do the same but i am not sure as to how user friendly that is
<snappy_snake>
hmm
<n0toose[m]>
or how to even disable this in the system settings, admittedly speaking
<n0toose[m]>
when people design operating systems, tearing apart a core functionality that people use it for on a very regular basis is not something that these programmers actively think about
<snappy_snake>
so what does W10Privacy software does? can i disable .jpg's, .png's etc. with that?
<AlienSoldier>
"/boot/system/add-ons/Translators"
<n0toose[m]>
well, you can remove the windows-supplied software that allows you to view them.
<snappy_snake>
ow, okay, i think i understand. so the default image viewers of Windows will be disabled?
<n0toose[m]>
sure, if you use it correctly
<snappy_snake>
hmm, that could do the trick
<n0toose[m]>
if you ever want to try our operating system instead because of windows frustrating you in some other capacity, feel free to drop by again :)
<n0toose[m]>
AlienSoldier, probably too complicated and the problem that this person is having does not seem to actually be Haiku-oriented
<n0toose[m]>
but I'm probably not doing a good job at promoting our operating system :)
<snappy_snake>
yeah, i'll do that. i definitely feel more comfortable using Windows 10, because im more familiar with this OS, and Windows doesn't require me to be super-tech savvy, like some other OS's do, especially Linux
<snappy_snake>
heh
<snappy_snake>
what is AlienSoldier?
<snappy_snake>
software for the Haiku's setting?
<snappy_snake>
settings*
<Habbie>
AlienSoldier is a person in here
<snappy_snake>
oh, my bad :D
<n0toose[m]>
I was addressing them :)
<n0toose[m]>
if you don't mind me asking (feel free to not share if you dont want to ), why don't you want pictures at all?
<n0toose[m]>
mostly just asking as i'm curious as to whether it may be worth building a feature for our own little thing that allows people to do stuff like that
<snappy_snake>
well im slightly embarrassed to say this, but i suffer from CSBD, so i need to not be able to download images, gifs or videos of erotic nature, so I can deal with my condition better. CSBD stands for Compulsive Sexual Behavior Disorder
<snappy_snake>
its pretty new diagnosis, it came in the january of 2022
<snappy_snake>
and i dont actually have the dignosis quite yet, since it hasn't been taken into official use here in Finland, but one of the professionals i talked to said that i might have it
<n0toose[m]>
thanks for sharing, i really didn't mean to push you there though
<snappy_snake>
its okay, i dont mind
<n0toose[m]>
i actually didn't know about that
<n0toose[m]>
i would imagine that it had something to do with seizures etc. but what you described just seemed a bit way too specific
<snappy_snake>
sorry if i was too specific about this :D
<n0toose[m]>
i'll definitely take that into account if i actually work on accessibility features in the future, thank you
<snappy_snake>
no problem
<n0toose[m]>
nah it's fine, i directly asked for this
<n0toose[m]>
so i think it's my bad if your answer indirectly made anyone uncomfortable here, but i don't think it does
<n0toose[m]>
or that it should
<snappy_snake>
yeah
<snappy_snake>
i get anxiety-triggers from seeing erotic images, i should probably just said that I have anxiety-related issue
<snappy_snake>
its been like this for many many years
<snappy_snake>
i can barely even go outside of my house, it sucks so much :'(
<n0toose[m]>
it's alright (i think)
<n0toose[m]>
no chat moderator has screamed at either of us yet, so i guess it's fine
<n0toose[m]>
but that's definitely a useful thing to keep in mind, i'd have assumed it had something to do with e.g. being sensitive to seizures or something
<n0toose[m]>
useful from the perspective of "who am i writing this program for"
<snappy_snake>
yeah
<snappy_snake>
you can start marketing Haiku OS as "Hey, are you suffering from porn addiction? Try Haiku! You can disable all image files with just few clicks."
<snappy_snake>
xD
<snappy_snake>
just kidding tho
<OscarL>
woudln't setting up a proxy that blocks url by types be an option?
<OscarL>
*types --> file types, I mean.
<snappy_snake>
url by types? you mean like all the websites ending with .xxx?
<OscarL>
or .gif, .mkv., mimetypes in general, yeah.
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<zdykstra>
Why don't you just use a text-mode browser?
<snappy_snake>
i did try text-only browser, but it made all the websites look like crap :S
<zdykstra>
You'll never ever filter 100% images that trigger you while letting others though
<OscarL>
"Purpose: Defines the set of commands that will be executed on the build host during the build process. Usually, this will be tools like gcc, binutils, make, sed, grep, etc."
<Habbie>
ah another page
<Habbie>
ta
<Habbie>
so cmd vs. lib
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<PulkoMandy>
Yes, essentially. In some case, libraries may be needed on the host too
<Habbie>
right, i recall such situations from porting for other OSes
<Habbie>
currently porting wdiff which is not fancy
<Habbie>
(on openwrt, i ran into a library [h2o] which required ruby during build, but the port was wrong so ruby ended up installed on routers with 16 MB of flash for no reason)
<Habbie>
"mkdir -p $binDir" does not seem necessary in INSTALL(), was it required at some point? or should i leave it in?
<PulkoMandy>
It depends on the exact buildsystem used. Some will create the directory themselves, some don't
<Habbie>
ah right
<Habbie>
i'm porting an autoconf project and am using another autoconf project as reference, so my guess is -that- port copied the mkdir from somewhere else uselessly
<Habbie>
thanks
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<snappy_snake_>
since im here, i guess i might aswell ask: What are the biggest benefits of using Haiku OS compared to other operating systems like FreeBSD, Linux, Windows, macOS and Oracle Solaris?
<snappy_snake_>
and especially for people like me, who aren't tech savvy