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<coolcode1613_mac> Hello HaikuUser
<HaikuUser> Hello
<coolcode1613_mac> You can change your name with /nick
<coolcode1613_mac> e.g. /nick HaikuUser32
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<erysdren> hello hello
<coolcoder613_mac> New Zealand? I live in Australia, we are practically neighbors ;)
<NZ-Fjordlander> True!
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<erysdren> how goes it?
<erysdren> i'm in USA
<coolcoder613_mac> Is this the first time you are using Haiku, NZ-Fjordlander?
<NZ-Fjordlander> No. I try it out every so often. I was very briefly the NZ distributor for BeOS right before the free edition got released.
<NZ-Fjordlander> Along with Caldera Linux before that disappeared
<erysdren> that's awesome!!
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<NZ-Fjordlander> BeOS was amazing on my older hardware at the time. 1 .AVI struggled to play on Windows. The demo with 5 playing simultaneously on BeOS smoothly on the same hardware sold me!
<NZ-Fjordlander> I only had dial up internet at the time so the lack of a proper network stack was not an issue.
<NZ-Fjordlander> Haiku has come along way!
<coolcoder613_mac> Haiku is great on my older hardware :)
<coolcoder613_mac> Older is relative, this is a dual core pentium with 3GB of RAM
<coolcoder613_mac> But... older than me :shrug:
<NZ-Fjordlander> Very relative lol. I'm running in virtualbox on top of PopOS (Ubuntu Linux derivative)
<erysdren> i believe the haiku project is just barely older than me
<NZ-Fjordlander> On a 10 year old HP desktop
<coolcoder613_mac> I have a ~10 year old HP laptop with Haiku, in storage under the desk though
<coolcoder613_mac> HP Compaq 6830s
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<realtaraharris> so I'm making progress with fixing up the work that adds driver support for ACPI backlight control
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<realtaraharris> the problem I'm having is that while I can set the brightness level using _BCM, the brightness level doesn't actually change
<realtaraharris> I suspect that the issue is that with the DPMS mode set on the display
<realtaraharris> my question: I'm running the framebuffer driver, and I'm trying to figure out where and how the DPMS mode is set
<realtaraharris> the ACPI spec says that if the display is set in mode D0, it will ignore brightness changes from _BCM
<realtaraharris> the spec also says that it won't accept any values not specified in the list of values returned by _BCL, so I added some code that dumps the output and confirmed that my system (ThinkPad T490) accepts brightness integers from 0-100
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<waddlesplash> realtaraharris: fb driver depends mostly on what the EFI loader could set up
<waddlesplash> can EFI framebuffer protocol change DPMS? (I don't know)
<realtaraharris> haha I guess I'm gonna keep bashing on it until I find out :joy:
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<waddlesplash> doesn't look like it
<waddlesplash> oh, there's a separate EDID protocol. is that useful?
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<waddlesplash> realtaraharris: does your system have a CSM? could you boot via BIOS instead of EFI, for VESA?
<waddlesplash> because VESA can definitely change DPMS
<realtaraharris> I think it does
<waddlesplash> realtaraharris: https://review.haiku-os.org/c/haiku/+/658
<waddlesplash> old patch to change brightness via VESA+DPMS but it didn't work, "unless [PulkoMandy] missed something"
<waddlesplash> might be of relevance
<realtaraharris> omg thanks for that!
<waddlesplash> note also the patch in the chain behind that one
<waddlesplash> VBE/FP brightness control. however I don't know if we found any VESA BIOSes that actually support that feature.
<waddlesplash> realtaraharris: oh, there's a comment on that change:
<waddlesplash> "For modern displays (possibly including laptops using eDP), another way to set the brightness would be through DDC/CI. This uses the same DDC bus we already use for getting EDID info, and allows to configure the display settings (brightness, contrast, etc). This one is implemented by modern displays, in part because it is required by Microsoft to get a "Windows compatible" approval IIRC."
<waddlesplash> doesn't look like anybody followed up about that though
<waddlesplash> I don't think EFI can read/write EDID under RuntimeServices, only in BootServices, though, so that may again be only relevant for VESA or one of the per-device modesetting drivers?
<realtaraharris> wow, thanks! I'm gonna try looking through all that stuff you just linked. might take me a few days
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<erysdren> love ya waddlesplash
<erysdren> you're doin the lords work
<waddlesplash> :)
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<PulkoMandy> waddlesplash, realtaraharris: DDC/CI will not work on laptop displays, only external one. Unless this changed on modern hardware
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<Begasus> WebPositive isn't co-operating today :/
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<phschafft> so it's more WebNegative today?
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<Begasus> yeah ;)
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<Begasus> in/uninstalling fonts takes some resources it seems (specificly the extra noto fonts) :)
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<Anarchos> i got 'latex.fmt' not found when compiling latex. what do i miss as package ?
<Begasus> maybe some missing language files?
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/7f8e874bf911...a5f61e1c9e79
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes a5f61e1 - tg_owt: bump version
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<Anarchos> who uses latex?
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/a5f61e1c9e79...f24b3335cc8f
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] LordOfDragons f24b333 - dragengine: bump version (#9728)
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<Begasus> bugger ... still quite a list for the noto_regional package ...
<Begasus> afk
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<Anarchos> Begasus did not work ... I can't remember which packages i must install for a minimal pdftex setup
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<Anarchos> Begasus i will wait for jmairboeck to show up to ask him.
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<Anarchos> i got complains about dehypht-x-2023-03-06.tex
<Begasus> looking into something here Anarchos, did you try to launch the post-install script for texlive manualy?
<Anarchos> the updsync --withsynctrees thing ?
<Anarchos> Begasus by the way texlive-update.sh is still running (i installed some hyphenation packages, should help !)
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<Begasus> Anarchos, ok, could take some time, on that note, not working in TexStudio too (no real error message)
<Anarchos> Begasus thanks. i promise i will finish my 2years pending merge request for betex :)
<Begasus> ;)
<Begasus> back to noto fonts ...
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<Begasus> packege list -p ... ponpokodiff (nice tools) :)
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<tercaL> Greetings, any ETA for full stable release?
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<Begasus> stable enough for me here tercaL, guess it still depends on the HW
<Begasus> having one full archive for noto was easy :) already at 61 uri's ...
<Begasus> afk
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<Anarchos> Begasus i installed texlive_full and now it works, at cost of 700Mb...
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+3/-3/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/f24b3335cc8f...12aa9caf97f5
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] davidkaroly 12aa9ca - qemu: update to 8.0.5 (#9729)
<Begasus> good to hear Anarchos +1
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<Anarchos> Begasus i got my math verifier working back :)
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<Begasus> nice Anarchos! :)
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<Begasus> is there a way to copy files from multiple $sourceDir's? cp $sourceDir2/hinted/ttf/*.ttf ${FONTDIR} goes up to cp $sourceDir62/hinted/ttf/*.ttf ${FONTDIR} atm
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<jmairboeck> Anarchos: unfortunately, you need all the texlive_lang* packages currently. see https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/issues/7828
<jmairboeck> Begasus: you could use a loop combined with eval. I think I saw some recipe with many sources doing that.
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<Begasus> already at SOURCE_URI_66 ...
<Begasus> a refresh button on PonpokoDiff would be nice too :)
<Begasus> ah, thanks for the link! gonna have a look at it, not going to finish soonish anyway :)
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<Anarchos> jmairboeck no trouble as soon as it works :)
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<Anarchos> application compiled with makefile-engine, its symbols don't show up in debugger (tried with x86_gcc2 and x86)
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57368] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=dd8a03b78da0+%5E6f58244192b5
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] dd8a03b78da0 - bootloader/x86: fix rdtsc for x86_64
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<rona> hello
<erysdren> hello
<erysdren> rona: how goes it?
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<Anarchos> is it mandatory to compile with -ddwarf=4 to see variables in Debugger ?
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<Begasus> done for today
<Begasus> cu peeps!
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57369] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=631e35ca58e5+%5Edd8a03b78da0
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 631e35ca58e5 - Tracker: Use half-star symbol for odd rating value
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