#haiku on 2023-11-09 — irc logs at oftc.irclog.whitequark.org

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00:01 <Anarchos> coolcoder613_32 i will push this file onto my github ...

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00:11 <zard> Hello

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00:31 <coolcoder613_32> Hello zard

00:33 <coolcoder613_32> Anarchos, I think you need to edit sshd config to allow root login, and set a password (passwd user)

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06:23 <coolcoder613_32> Is there UPX for Haiku?

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06:49 <coolcoder613_32> Still at 1.5M for optimised wolf4sdl with shareware 1.4 :(

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07:05 <Begasus> g'morning peeps

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09:26 <Begasus> nephele, around?

09:27 <Begasus> in regards to groff, Debian has this patch: https://sources.debian.org/patches/groff/1.23.0-3/bash-scripts.patch/ while Gentoo uses: https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/sys-apps/groff/files/groff-1.19.2-man-unicode-dashes.patch

09:27 <Begasus> according to your statement/link I think the one from Gentoo looks more appropriate?

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09:36 <Anarchos> hello folks !

09:36 <Anarchos> hello Begasus

09:38 <coolcoder613_mac> Hello Begasus, Anarchos

09:38 <Begasus> Hi Anarchos coolcoder613_mac

09:39 <Anarchos> coolcoder613_mac i used githyub to trnasfer my file back and forth between my two computers. thanks for your help on scp anyway !

09:39 <Anarchos> Begasus i fixed all my laptops, all is fine now :)

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09:39 <Begasus> Nice Anarchos, time to start hacking now! :)

09:40 <coolcoder613_mac> I'm working on my first Rust GUI project

09:40 <Anarchos> Begasus that is my goal

09:40 <Anarchos> coolcoder613_mac oh cool.

09:41 <coolcoder613_mac> Using slint

09:41 <Anarchos> I find GUI programming a pain : always troubles with aligment pixel, layout and so on

09:42 <coolcoder613_mac> Declarative is nice, interfacing between slint language and Rust, not so much

09:42 <Anarchos> coolcoder613_mac i am a fan of native apps, so i try to use the Haiku API the much i can

09:42 <nephele> hello Begasus

09:43 <coolcoder613_mac> Anarchos: Most don't use pixel alignment, they use grid or box or whatever

09:43 <coolcoder613_mac> Anarchos: Have you used BGridLayout?

09:43 <Begasus> looked into one of the examples from NetBeans GUI, nice :) https://ibb.co/PWK8ZGW

09:44 <nephele> win8linux[m]: Started looking into enabeling the adblocking part of webkit, found the flags to enable it, so now just building it to see :)

09:44 <coolcoder613_mac> +1

09:44 <Begasus> nephele, to be sure I could use an example on how to use groff on a man file (that shows the error) :)

09:44 <Anarchos> coolcoder613_mac you misunderstood me : i use gridlayout and so on, but the result is always ugly to my eyes :)

09:44 * coolcoder613_mac shrugs

09:45 <Anarchos> nephele oh nice to be able to block ads !!!

09:45 <nephele> Begasus: I guess one way to see it would be to see which recipes build manpages and have groff as a dependency

09:45 <nephele> check the source of the manpage and see that there is no backslahs before minuses, or if there is remove it

09:45 <nephele> and then build the port again

09:45 <nephele> and then check if the -- is useable in the output for commands

09:45 <Begasus> not a long list there, but could give those a run-over

09:47 <coolcoder613_mac> Anarchos: example of declarative UI: https://bpa.st/SN2Q

09:50 <Begasus> nephele, this is something it trips over? "Enchant \- a spellchecker"

09:51 <Anarchos> coolcoder613_mac for example on https://imgur.com/a/gSpRghZ, i can't get the 'Demonstration' pane on the right to be resizable or stretchable. I add to add 2 pixels to the size of the green formula to get them render correctly (don't know why it was cropped), etc etc

09:51 <nephele> if that is in a manpage source remove that backslash, and then build it and check if the minus in the finished manpage is useable for commands

09:51 <nephele> if it isn't then the patch didn't work, if you can use it then all should be fine

10:01 <Begasus> hard to tell the difference on those "--" :)

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10:04 <nephele> just copy them from the manpage and paste them

10:05 <nephele> then see if they work

10:05 <nephele> so, copy the minus from "Enchant - a spellcheker"

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10:05 <nephele> and use that for a command to see if it works

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10:23 <Begasus> using "enchant-2 -v" works either way here (having "\-" or just "-" in the manfile

10:24 <Begasus> copied "-" from the manpage

10:26 <Begasus> using "--" (copied from manpage) works with enchant just the same as regular typed "--"

10:27 <nephele> looks like the patch worked then

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10:28 <Begasus> oh, should check again with the current version from groff :-)

10:28 * Begasus bups head

10:31 <Begasus> the same, no changes

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10:44 <Anarchos> when "checkfs -c " (just check no action) says 'blocks could be freed', is it dangerous to rerun checkfs to effectively free them ?

10:45 <Begasus> so far haven't had any bad experience with it Anarchos (but that's just me)

10:47 <Anarchos> Begasus i guess those blocks to be freed are journal blocks wich are detached from the journal due to a power failure while shutdown. My 2cents....

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10:50 <Begasus> no idea there, but if the system finds it right to clean them ... :)

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12:11 <botifico> [haiku/website] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/dde03bdfe916...84877a097938

12:12 <botifico> [haiku/website] pulkomandy 84877a0 - Fix curl command line

12:13 <nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 2 commits to master [hrev57375] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=964b6e8090e0+%5E4cd60e77fe30

12:13 <nekobot> [haiku/haiku] a7ee73c8eb46 - Mail: Fix "Save address" as new Person file

12:13 <nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 964b6e8090e0 - People: Accept initial values

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12:38 <Anarchos> To modify Vision, i must do a pull request to haikuarchives ?

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12:57 <Begasus> PulkoMandy, noto_sans_cjkjp or noto_sans_cjk_jp ?

12:57 <Begasus> or notosanscjkjp? :)

12:58 <nephele> just cjk

12:58 <nephele> the jp is only which nationalit locales, kinda, is default

12:58 <Begasus> there is jp, sc, kr ...

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12:58 <nephele> but we dont really have much support for that for fonts iirc

12:58 <nephele> yes, pick the jp one but just call it noto_sans_cjk

12:58 <Begasus> the cjk is the easy one to split up

12:58 <nephele> no, it isn't

12:59 <Begasus> how about chinese then?

12:59 <nephele> the _jp _sc _kr are all *the same font*

12:59 <nephele> just with different defaults

12:59 <nephele> package only the _jp one

13:00 <nephele> there are also variants we can pick where there is only the japanese font, or only the korean, only chinese etc. but they take up a bit more space than the cjk variant which combines them all into one font file

13:00 <Begasus> they don't look the same to me (but that all chinese to me) :) https://github.com/notofonts/noto-cjk/tree/main/Serif#language-specific-otfs

13:01 <Begasus> have to step out for a bit, biab

13:01 <nephele> those fonts are basically a mess because unicode tried to merge the scripts into one... :( so it's more complicated than it should be

13:24 <Begasus> re

13:28 <Begasus> maybe we should ask around in the forum on how others use those fonts (eg do the Chinese use the Japanese fonts ...)?

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13:41 <nephele> no, we don't support language tagging so be basically have to choose

13:42 <nephele> let's just keep the japanese one until we implement that, if we want to

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13:44 <Anarchos> how to get the whole arguments of a command running ? Neither 'ps' in Terminal, or ProcessController shows them

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13:49 <Begasus> so basicly something like this nephele? https://bpa.st/TRNQ

13:50 <nephele> No, the font supports *

13:50 <nephele> all* of those languages

13:50 <nephele> it's just, that if there is an option if a gflyph should be rendered more like japanese or chinese it will pick japanese

13:51 <Begasus> [13:59] <nephele> package only the _jp one (in there are only the _jp ones?)

13:52 <nephele> no, in it are gyphs for all 4 languages

13:53 <Begasus> those are already included in here: https://github.com/Begasus/haikuports/commit/61c5bb753173d82b4dc7b3de05d934d64a589567

13:54 <Begasus> added the _hk one as it's mentioned in their repository also

13:54 <nephele> that's fine, the #default lines mean that in each package's font all languages are packaged

13:54 <nephele> just different defaults

13:55 <Begasus> k, I'll leave it at that, just have to adjust the recipe version for it

14:12 <Begasus> biab

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16:14 <Begasus> https://github.com/Begasus/haikuports/commit/135b07b795e92287789a81d9f9ca4cac10ee3a31

16:14 <Begasus> example on splitting the noto packages

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16:15 <Begasus> first recipe holds all three packages for noto/serif/mono (greek,latin,cyrilic), second one only the noto_sans package(s)

16:15 <Begasus> first one could be split further into noto_serif and noto_sansmono

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17:06 <Begasus> don't think it would be needed to split up the noto recipe for latin/greek/cyrillic further up into sans/serif/sansmono ...

17:10 <nephele> Begasus: I mean using the filename of the port in the recipe

17:10 <nephele> that way you can copy the recipe directly, only rename it, and it will use another one, only have the shasum then to fix

17:11 <Begasus> SOURCE_URI's will differ also, aswell as versioning (symbols2 doesn't provide condensed fonts ...)

17:11 <Begasus> let me push the others to the branch

17:12 <nephele> Well, i don't know how many recipes you want to make, it's a really large number of fonts :D

17:13 <Begasus> 178 source_uri's in my first recipe ;)

17:13 <Begasus> but as PulkoMandy mentioned we only need the basics for now

17:14 <Begasus> https://github.com/Begasus/haikuports/commit/16a8a9631f189328fb5bdacbff6137c55cfa36c7

17:16 <Anarchos> to do a patch on Vision, i should do a pull request on HaikuArchives ?

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17:28 <Begasus> Anarchos, fork, clone, branch, push ... PR?

17:28 <Begasus> err nvm :)

17:29 <Begasus> SOURCE_URI="https://github.com/HaikuArchives/Vision/archive/$srcGitRev.tar.gz"

17:29 <Begasus> so I guess yes :)

17:30 <Anarchos> Begasus but who will update the gitrev in the SOURCE_URI once i do a pull request ?

17:32 <Begasus> if it gets merged I guess the one merging could update the srcGitRev in our current version

17:34 <Anarchos> Begasus ok. So let's go for a wonderful patch to reconnect automatically vision in case of network wifi switching :)

17:34 <Begasus> once you create the PR at HaikuArchives one could check a build without it being merged

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17:48 <Anarchos> Begasus ok

17:53 <Begasus> heading out, dogschool :)

17:53 <Begasus> cu peeps!

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18:26 <_-Caleb-_> hi all

18:28 <Anarchos1> hello _-Caleb-_

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20:55 <coolcoder613_32> Good morning

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20:59 <coolcoder613_32> Hello _-Caleb-_

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21:01 <coolcoder613_32> Hello Anarchos

21:01 <Anarchos> hello coolcoder613_32

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21:18 <coolcoder613_32> I'm trying to cram WOLF3D for Haiku on a single floppy disk

21:18 <coolcoder613_32> Despite not owning a floppy disk

21:19 <thaflo> if you pass you can get one of mine

21:19 <thaflo> ;-)

21:19 <coolcoder613_32> Or a working floppy disk drive

21:19 <coolcoder613_32> Still 301k for the executable :(

21:21 <nephele> why?

21:21 <nephele> it's not that usefull a metric :=

21:21 <coolcoder613_32> The desktop that I am using right now has a floppy drive, but one of the pins is broken, and there is no slot on the motherboard for the cable

21:23 <coolcoder613_32> nephele: I don't know, because it's cool? To learn more about optimisations?

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21:23 <coolcoder613_32> Before optimsations, it was 1.6M, now it is 301k

21:24 <nephele> Well, it's always a trade-off. it's usefull to see how stuff influences each other, if you want the tightest space you may not get the most readable code, misss stuff like debug symbols for no reason etc :)

21:24 <Anarchos> coolcoder613_32 don't mind my connection/deconnection/reconnectoin : i am trying to add an automatic connection in Vision when wifi networks change.

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21:25 <coolcoder613_32> nephele: most readable code? I'm not changing the code.

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21:31 <erysdren> coolcoder613_32: you can sometimes get smaller executable size with bizarre/heavily optimised code

21:32 <erysdren> not to mention the optimisation steps of the compiler

21:32 <coolcoder613_32> Now, how do I override __cxa_demangle?

21:32 <erysdren> what is that?

21:32 <coolcoder613_32> demangle names

21:32 <Anarchos> coolcoder613_32 what do you mean by override it ?

21:33 <Anarchos> you can pipe through c++filt

21:33 <coolcoder613_32> It takes quite a bit of space apparently, so override it with a dummy implemenation

21:35 <Anarchos> coolcoder613_32 what application do you try to minimize ?

21:35 <coolcoder613_32> Wolf3D

21:38 <coolcoder613_32> Actually, it seems it is in libstdc++

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21:40 <Anarchos> coolcoder613_32 https://xref.landonf.org/source/search?q=&defs=&refs=__cxa_demangle&path=&hist=&type=&project=haiku-buildtools

21:44 <coolcoder613_32> ATM I have: CFLAGS += -Os -s -flto -fno-exceptions

21:44 <coolcoder613_32> Down to 275K!

21:44 * coolcoder613_32 claps

21:45 <coolcoder613_32> total 1.5M

21:47 <erysdren> well, you could already fit the whole thing on 1.44 if it was just the shareware

21:49 <coolcoder613_32> This *is* the shareware

21:50 <erysdren> ahhh

21:55 <coolcoder613_32> Shame UPX does not support Haiku :(

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22:35 <coolcoder613_32> Hello _-Caleb-_

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22:37 <coolcoder613_32> I'm trying compiling everything in one go....

22:38 <coolcoder613_32> And... no change

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23:24 <coolcoder613_32> 1478K

23:26 <coolcoder613_32> just 38K too big!

23:27 <coolcoder613_32> For shareware 1.1

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