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<Halian> Hey
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<coolcoder613_mac> Hi Halian
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<botifico> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/84877a097938...4f7da96165e6
<botifico> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 4f7da96 - Activity Report, October.
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<Anarchos> hello
<vdamewood> Anarchos: Olleh.
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<Anarchos> vdamewood :)
<erysdren> good morning people
<Anarchos> erysdren hello
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<erysdren> good morning!
<Begasus> g'evening erysdren :)
<erysdren> i finished Rise of the Triad (1994) today
<erysdren> what a great game
<coolcoder613_mac> Hello Begasus, erysdren
<Begasus> Hello coolcoder613_mac
<Begasus> nice erysdren!
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<Begasus> fidling around with KDE frameworks :)
<Anarchos> hello Begasus
<Begasus> Hi there Anarchos
<Begasus> 5 more to go ... :)
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<Anarchos> the hook for change-id is not located at https://git.haiku-os.org/tools/hooks/commit-msg anymore...
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<erysdren> how're you doing today Begasus:
<erysdren> ?
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<erysdren> i wanna try to get a version of Rise of the Triad working on haiku
<Begasus> fine thanks, fighting with the last one in the list of KDE frameworks
<Begasus> nice, erysdren, will keep an eye out on HP :)
<Anarchos> Begasus patch on kernel sent this morning :)
<Begasus> wtg Anarchos! we can all benifit from it I guess :)
<Anarchos> just a small improvement.
<coolcoder613_mac> erysdren: +1
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<Begasus> might be good to add the documentation for the KDE frameworks?
<Begasus> © Copyright KDE Developers. Created using Sphinx 7.2.6.
<Begasus> works nice :)
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<Begasus> OscarL! make: poetry: Command not found .... tsss :P
<Anarchos> Begasus make : poetry : command long gone. Things disappear. Darkness... evanescence. <= i would prefer this kind of error message :)
<Begasus> heh
<Begasus> hasn't been ported over yet Anarchos :)
<andreasdr[m]> Hi there.
<coolcoder613_mac> Hi andreasdr[m]
<Anarchos> Begasus what is this command poetry ?
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<Begasus> Anarchos, backed build(?) system for pep51* (python)
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<andreasdr[m]> Hi coolcoder613_mac
Ellenor is now known as MelanieMalik
<Anarchos> Begasus ok. not a big fan of python myself
<Anarchos> Begasus when i need pulkomandy he disappears :)
<Begasus> lol Anarchos
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<Anarchos> jessicah i have a question on haskell
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<bjorkintosh> Anarchos, what don't you like about python?
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<Anarchos> bjorkintosh the tab to indent
<bjorkintosh> wat?? that's easily solved by a text editor.
<bjorkintosh> a good environment should have that down.
<Anarchos> bjorkintosh it should'nt end in the semantics of the language
<bjorkintosh> I can see how that would be annoying if you're using notepad.exe
<bjorkintosh> but that is a completely solved problem. a non issue, unless one wants it to be an issue. I thought you were going to complain about the intricate complexity of the language itself.
<Anarchos> a non issue ? 40y of computer science taught us that blanks should not have semantic value. And now python goes all way back :)
<PulkoMandy> Computer science on punchcards is not really the same as on modern editors, so, maybe it's time to change our minds on somethings
<PulkoMandy> Also, Python started doing this in 1991, so, saying "now" it goes all way back is a bit strange
<bjorkintosh> several other languages do that too. and If I'm not mistaken, languages like fortran and cobol and rpgIV required things to be positioned just right.
<bjorkintosh> occam II and haskell also have that.
<bjorkintosh> in the end, they're just invisible marks.
<Anarchos> PulkoMandy i tried to compile haskell on x86_64, but your sources-2 files are 32bits. How can i rebuild them for 64 bits ?
<PulkoMandy> You can't, that's why there is no package for 64bit yet. The first version needs to be cross compiled from Linux
<Anarchos> PulkoMandy that was my mere question : how to compile them from linux ?
<PulkoMandy> Jessicah is working on it, maybe she has some binaries on her github already
<Anarchos> PulkoMandy other thing : https://git.haiku-os.org/tools/hooks/commit-msg is not there anymore...
<PulkoMandy> I don't know, I just made a copy of the existing binaries because they were offline or because I needed to make some patches to it. I think she uses haiku's cross compiler (built from haiku buildtools and configure script) with some custom scripts to compile other things than haiku
<PulkoMandy> It was there last week and nothing changed I think?
<PulkoMandy> Mh, right, it's broken now
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<PulkoMandy> review.haiku-os.org instead of git.haiku-os.org works
<PulkoMandy> Not sure why, they should be the same
<Anarchos> PulkoMandy thanks
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<Begasus> k, KDE 5.112.0 seems to be working for a newer Angelfish :)
<Begasus> afk
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<Anarchos> PulkoMandy i updated the kernel patch, with a promotion to main thread.
<Anarchos> PulkoMandy now i understand better : i can switch the thread_id between thread and main-thread, and after that kill all but main-thread. the user stack will be re-created after that in exec_team.
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<waddlesplash> Anarchos: I don't think changing thread IDs is a good idea
<waddlesplash> hmm. can we have the exec modify the main thread even if that's not the one executing?
<Anarchos> waddlesplash then i have no solution to transform the thread executing exec_team into the new main thread :(
<waddlesplash> don't transform, just modify the actually existing main thread
<waddlesplash> this may require some trickery since we aren't running on a main thread
<waddlesplash> but that'd be the way to go
<Anarchos> waddlesplash that's why i was stealing its thread_id, and kill all other threads.
<waddlesplash> yeah but instead of stealing it, we can modify it
<waddlesplash> the thread itself that is
<Anarchos> from what i see, the only way to test 'am i am the main thread ?' is 'trhead_id=team_id'
<Anarchos> waddlesplash modifying the main thread should be better, i see
<Anarchos> waddlesplash will look for that then.
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57383] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=74a44f5aedca+%5E1b8870852eda
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 74a44f5aedca - protocols/unix: Return EOPNOTSUPP when unhandled flags are specified.
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<jessicah> Anarchos: I have 64-bit builds at github
<Anarchos> jessicah ah thanks
<jessicah> they're the weird unregistered builds, so will run a lot slower
<jessicah> the issue for ghc producing the wrong relocation types is still unresolved
<Anarchos> jessicah will look if i can do something ... but don't hope too much from me :)
<jessicah> I've looked into it, but it's been quite difficult to tease apart for me
<Anarchos> ok
<jessicah> my notes are in here
<jessicah> needs someone that knows elf/assembly/haskell, I guess
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<Anarchos> jessicah i know ocaml which is in the same family as haskell. d'ont know if it will help me
<Anarchos> jessicah i untar your archive, if i understand, the compiler emits wrong relocation info , somewhere ?
<Anarchos> jessicah bin/ghc ==> runtime_loader: Cannot open file libHSghc-9.6.2.20230602-ghc9.6.2.20230602.so (needed by /boot/home/ghc-9.6.2.20230602-x86_64-unknown-haiku/bin/ghc-9.6.2.20230602): No such file or directory
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<Anarchos> jessicah got it : configure --prefix ~/config/non-packaged; make install
<Anarchos> jessicah still no luck : https://bpa.st/M7TA
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<jessicah> Try one of the older versions?
<jessicah> It's been a very long time since I've messed with it
<jessicah> It could also be you're not invoking the wrapper script?
<jessicah> Ah yeah, you're invoking the binary directly, you need to use the wrapper script that exports the library locations it needs
<jessicah> Oh, is that from make? Huh, dunno then, weird
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<Anarchos> jessicah i could do it with LIBRARY_PATH=.....~/config/non-packaged/lib/ghc-9.6.6/.....:$LIBRARY_PATH
<Begasus> progress, I can close the tabs on Angelfish :D
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<Begasus> Most of the stuff checked so far with latest KDE seem to be fine, even building latest KMahjongg does it right :) https://ibb.co/HGNkxHq
<Begasus> there is one that is still a bit buggy (lib) ...
<Begasus> closing down, cu peeps!
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<Anarchos> jessicah i installed in ~/config/non-packaged, not sure it is ok
<jessicah> Should have been fine, that's where I install to
<jessicah> I'd try one of my older versions in releases
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<Anarchos> maybe i can change the ghc recipe to use your files instead of pulkomandy's ones
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+3/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/946dd83eed14...c6450487fb9b
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] davidkaroly c645048 - x16_emulator: new recipe (#9757)
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<coolcoder613_32> Good morning all
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<bjorkintosh> where?
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<coolcoder613_32> Australia
<erysdren> howdy
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<phschafft> Australia is surely a fun place to be.
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<erysdren> hello HaikuUser!
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