<zard>
The most BASIC-like language I know is assembly ;)
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<scanty>
zard, no offense, but that's the dumbest thing I've heard all day. BAISC and Asssembly are nothing alike. You either don't know any assembly, or BASIC, or both.
<scanty>
BASIC*
<coolcoder613_mac>
scanty: BASIC is very different, but semantics are a little similar
<zard>
Ha ha :). As you can see, I've never programmed in BASIC. But doesn't BASIC rely off of gotos instead of for/if statements?
<coolcoder613_mac>
No
<scanty>
no it has those
<scanty>
and loops
<scanty>
and whiles
<zard>
Ah, nevermind then, BASIC is quite different
<zard>
Does it at least have the goto statement?
<scanty>
yes
<zard>
Flexibility... or else "goto considered harmful" :D
<diver>
just don't run it twice or things would explode :P
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<Begasus>
every time I open it, my balance decreases :P
* coolcoder613_mac
is a little mystifeid by that comment
<Begasus>
mystifeid? (my English is probably bad here) :)
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<coolcoder613_mac>
mystified
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<coolcoder613_mac>
botifico, quit?
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<Begasus>
silensed :)
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<Begasus>
k, need to boot into 64bit for this, no qt5webengine on 32bit
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<TmTFx>
Hi folks! I've created a ticket because Haiku handles the time-attribute in a wrong manner :) it's also different from x86 an x64 arches.
<TmTFx>
But I would like to ask another question: why in some readonly path Tracker shows date-time differently? some files have a long datetime format like " 19 Novembar 2020 01:25:55" and some have this representation "10/09/2018 22:30"
<TmTFx>
the latter is the default on home dir
<Begasus>
just closed down 32bit so can't check there, here on 64bit they show the same?
<Begasus>
but maybe something changed in the nightlies
<TmTFx>
I'm on 64bit I've opened /boot/system/develop/headers/os/support and Url.h and String.h has the latter format, the other files the first format
<TmTFx>
the parent has all dirs listed with short fortmat except opengl
<TmTFx>
(I'm on a localized Haiku)
<TmTFx>
the same happens on x86 (not exacty the same but quite the same files). Does it depend on pkgs?
<Begasus>
ah, now I see it too, never noticed :)
<Begasus>
biab
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<TmTFx>
I changed my localization tu USA an the representation is more consistent. It seems that November dates (and maybe some other dates... September, others?) are shorter but still written in letters as Nov 23 etc.. if needed this difference between dates, this is nicer than having a long string format as "23 di Novembar dal 2023..." and "23/11/2023" as in my localization... For example in italian it's consistent on all dates!
<TmTFx>
I have to go to work, but if this is a translation matter please let me know on discuss... Maybe the dates format should be changed accordingly
<TmTFx>
I'm TmTFx in discuss
<TmTFx>
I think it's a matter of string lenght so when it's too long the shorter is used
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<jn>
the best format, in my opinion is YYYY-MM-DD, e.g. 2023-11-28 for today
<jn>
it has a consistent order of significance from big to small (unlike american date formats), and it allows for lexicographic sorting
<jn>
ah, but TmTFx is gone
<phschafft>
how I love those dates that are given as 1/2/3 and no order at all. I mean, could only be 3! different dates ;)
<phschafft>
please also don't forget about the timezone thingy. that makes it very hard for me to work with data later on. as a general rule I suggest to always use UTC and convert from lokal time.
<jn>
or, if it's local time, add the timezone name (but that causes problems during summer/winter time change, because then 2:00-2:59 occur twice in the same night, at least how it's done in germany)
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<Habbie>
CET/CEST :>
<jn>
ah, right, the name changes along with it
<jn>
Europe/Berlin would have the problem, but CET or CEST would not
<Habbie>
yeah
<Habbie>
but nobody will get it right anyway
<phschafft>
you can also give the absolute offset as per ISO.
<phschafft>
but that all pushes the rules onto the reader. if you convert to UTC on the data source side the render can again just do things like sort.
<phschafft>
if the timestamp contains something else the reader again needs to apply that before every operation.
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<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 53bc9ad035bc - bfs: Reduce potential for garbage value ingestion
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<Lunovus>
If I want to run Haiku virtually on a Win11 host, what virtualization solution should I choose: VirtualBox or Hyper-V?
<augiedoggie>
vmware would be my first choice, virtualbox is probably my last choice
<waddlesplash>
there are some people who run Haiku on Hyper-V
<waddlesplash>
there are some settings you have to apply I'm told but I don't know what they are
<augiedoggie>
although i had troubles with haiku running the latest vmware, they changed something in their EFI :/
<jmairboeck>
it doesn't run very good on Hyper-V though: you have to use the legacy network adapter, the mouse wheel doesn't work, and changing the screen resolution throws a "general system error" (IIRC)
<Lunovus>
Can the free VMware Wokstation player run Haiku fine?
<augiedoggie>
probably, i see people on the forums using the free versions
<Lunovus>
I'd love to use Haiku on "bare metal", but me playing around with GPT and Windows 11 has probably f*cked up my EFI boot process somehow (I guess)
<Lunovus>
But since I de-installed VirtualBox to install Win11, I can probably also try a new virtual-thingie also
<Lunovus>
OK, I see there is a fairly new guide on this available too, so why not
<Lunovus>
I guess I can't debug any problems with my Realtek sound chip in Haiku there?
<Al2O3>
if this USB dd command burn would ever finish, I might try and install it on 'bare metal'
<jmairboeck>
It looks like both of my Hyper-V tickets are actually duplicates of older ones. I should have searched a bit better when reporting them ...
<augiedoggie>
depends on the problem i guess, if you have no sound at all then you may need to install the opensound package
<Lunovus>
Problem is SPDIF-output wasn't working (on bare metal), haven't tested the "speaker-thingie" connectors
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<Lunovus>
Would SPDIF-output work in VMware?
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<Lunovus>
Whoa, commercial licenses of VMware are costly, even with 30% off cyber week deals
<Al2O3>
yes they are.
<Al2O3>
isn't there some freeware VM you can use now that works just as good?
<Al2O3>
or studentware, or non commercial opensourced stuff?
<Lunovus>
For playing around with Haiku I could use the free player version, but I'd like too do other (commercial) stuff too, so that would require a commercial license
<Lunovus>
Better the devil you know then, I guess, so I try VirtualBox (again), still have some VMs from that floating around on my system
<Lunovus>
A few more (hopefully) won't hurt
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<coolcoder613_32>
Good morning
<elix>
My 8470p seems to greatly appreciate haiku
<Lunovus>
Good evenening
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<elix>
The only app missing is shortwave which i would port if I knew how
<coolcoder613_32>
elix: I like porting things
<coolcoder613_32>
Give me a link and i'll see what i can do
<waddlesplash>
coolcoder613_32: hmm, I never tried Lesstif. But it looks unmaintained
<Anarchos>
waddlesplash if you don't have any more questions for me, i will go to sleep
<waddlesplash>
Anarchos: none at the moment. good night!
<Anarchos>
waddlesplash oh you forgot to tell me how to patch fork/execve in child
<Anarchos>
just do execve in parent rather than in child ?
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<waddlesplash>
Anarchos: no, execve should be in child. I will have to look at the app to see how to patch it.
<coolcoder613_32>
And...
<coolcoder613_32>
./boot/system/develop/tools/x86/bin/../lib/gcc/i586-pc-haiku/13.2.0/../../../../i586-pc-haiku/bin/ld: cannot find -lfl: No such file or directory
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<coolcoder613_32>
I managed to build lesstif
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