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andreasdr[m] >
Cool.
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<
coolcoder613_32 >
PyQt error
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coolcoder613_32 >
Hello zard
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<
zard >
Hello coolcoder613_32 :)
00:30
<
coolcoder613_32 >
I compiled dillo for Haiku
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* zard
looks up dillo
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<
zard >
So a basic browser that doesn't support Javascript
00:32
<
coolcoder613_32 >
Yes
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coolcoder613_32 >
I wanted some kind of lynx-but-GUI thing
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zard >
I guess, then, a hobby project just like Haiku OS, with little practical use
00:33
<
coolcoder613_32 >
Well, it is one of the best web browsers for DOS...
00:33
<
zard >
Hmm, I think there's one text+image only browser available already for Haiku
00:33
<
coolcoder613_32 >
Netsurf, yes
00:34
<
zard >
Dillo runs in DOS!? Soon everything is going to run in DOS lol
00:34
<
coolcoder613_32 >
FLTK
00:34
<
coolcoder613_32 >
supports DOS
00:34
<
zard >
Ah, that explains it
00:35
<
zard >
Let's make Haiku apps run in dos as well! /s
00:35
<
coolcoder613_32 >
Hmm... someone did make a DOS subsystem for linux...
00:36
<
zard >
DOS runs Linux!? What next?
00:36
<
coolcoder613_32 >
Have you heard of FDPP?
00:36
<
coolcoder613_32 >
github.com/dosemu/fdpp
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<
zard >
link doesn't work
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<
coolcoder613_32 >
I was thinking...
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<
coolcoder613_32 >
What if someone hooked it up to unicorn or something
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<
coolcoder613_32 >
and made some kind of cross-platform dosemu
00:39
<
coolcoder613_32 >
unicorn is a CPU emulator framework
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<
coolcoder613_32 >
Unicorn is a lightweight, thread-safe, multi-platform, multi-architecture CPU emulator framework written in pure C, and based on QEMU.
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zard >
Ok, so make DOS run cross-platform
00:40
<
zard >
I got it, so that you can run DOS on your raspberry pie!
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coolcoder613_32 >
actually, so i can run DOS on Haiku, but that too
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zard >
I'm thinking of buying a board game for Christmas. Got any suggestions?
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Skipp_OSX >
maybe 0 is a better value to use than -1?
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HaikuUser >
hello there!
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<
zard >
Hello HaikuUser :)
00:48
<
coolcoder613_32 >
Hi HaikuUser
00:48
<
HaikuUser >
how i change my nickname?
00:48
<
zard >
You can give yourself a nickname using /nick name
00:48
<
HaikuUser >
ok, thanks!
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<
coolcoder613_32 >
lol
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<
Skipp_OSX >
sry no context talking about bug fix waddlesplash should know what I mean
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<
name >
Welp, it worked aparently, Zard
00:50
<
waddlesplash >
Skipp_OSX: well 0 can mean no space left, or it can mean invalid
00:50
<
waddlesplash >
Skipp_OSX: lots of other FSes do return 0 already though
00:50
<
Skipp_OSX >
well no, because this is the capacity, we have a separate free_bytes
00:50
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zard >
I know... so are you officially staying as name?
00:51
<
Skipp_OSX >
so capacity of 0 doesn't just mean your disk is full it means it is unfillable
00:51
<
name >
bro what? Damn, it didnt work! :(
00:51
<
zard >
try /nick replace_with_your_name
00:52
name is now known as ACultOfTheLambFan
00:52
<
coolcoder613_32 >
If i wanted to chnage my name to 'blue' i would use /nick blue
00:52
<
ACultOfTheLambFan >
it worked!
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<
zard >
Much better name :D
00:53
<
coolcoder613_32 >
A bit of a mouthfull though
00:53
<
zard >
Allow me to introduce you to the other commonly used command: "/me is doing something"
00:53
* zard
is doing something
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* ACultOfTheLambFan
is using haiku XD
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* zard
sees the XD emoji, considers using it in the future XD
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waddlesplash >
Skipp_OSX: isn't this free_blocks?
00:55
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ACultOfTheLambFan >
Oh, and for those who dont know, cult of the lamb is an indie videogame, it isnt anything chistian, even it has some satanic things but nothing rlly important lol
00:56
* zard
had just finished looking it up lol
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<
Skipp_OSX >
oh yeah free_blocks
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<
Skipp_OSX >
(not bytes)
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<
Skipp_OSX >
'm looking at capacity
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zard >
Is cult of the lamb still your favorite video game or is that a username that you got stuck with?
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<
Skipp_OSX >
FreeBytes() in BVolume
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<
ACultOfTheLambFan >
is my fav game actually! thanks for asking!
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zard >
And my favorite... osu!
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<
ACultOfTheLambFan >
oh, i know that name
00:59
<
ACultOfTheLambFan >
it is a very cool game imo
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ACultOfTheLambFan >
well, i need 2 go to dinner. Good bye :)
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zard >
Goodbye all as well :)
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kallisti5[m] >
OK. waddlesplash has successfully gotten VPN working under Haiku
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<
waddlesplash >
more cleanup needed still tho
03:59
<
kallisti5[m] >
We have a functional TUN interface 🥳
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zdykstra >
heck yeah
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Begasus >
g'morning peeps
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zdykstra >
Good morning Begasus
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Lunovus >
Is anybody using VirtualBox 7.x with the guest additions to virtualize Haiku?
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Skipp_OSX >
yeah and the video is all messed up so I gave up and used vmware
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<
Lunovus >
My video works OK unless resize in X & Y at the same time
07:12
<
Lunovus >
With the guest additions running
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<
Lunovus >
It's just I get kernel panics when I access shared folders
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<
Lunovus >
And since the additions are 6.x, and I'm using VirtualBox 7.x, maybe that's the problem
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<
Lunovus >
That's on a Win11 host btw.
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<
Skipp_OSX >
hmm that could be a guest additions bug
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<
Lunovus >
Since the panic is in there, it probably is
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<
Skipp_OSX >
patches welcome
07:20
<
Lunovus >
But maybe it's the newer version of VirtualBox
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<
Lunovus >
I got no dev environment running, and debugging kernel mode stuff is pretty much beyond my knowledge
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<
Skipp_OSX >
you could make a bug report but they will yell at you if do it on Haiku bug tracker
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<
Lunovus >
I guess I'll test a 6.x version of VirtualBox first, and then write a bug report
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<
Skipp_OSX >
since it's third party
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<
Skipp_OSX >
maybe not
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<
Lunovus >
Where do I write the bug reports then? It's on HaikuPorts
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<
Lunovus >
*sigh* Maybe the forums
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<
Lunovus >
Btw. is the Haiku reddit a good place to ask questions?
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Skipp_OSX >
no, not very active
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Lunovus >
So reddit, not much activity, but forums are better?
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Begasus >
haikuports would be the place to report bugs
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<
Lunovus >
Is it just me, or is virtualbox.org down?
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<
Begasus >
check if it's not already there (iirc there have been issues with the add-ons)
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Lunovus >
Got an URL for the bug tracker? I'm accessing that via Haiku Depot and I don't see deep links to anything
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<
Lunovus >
Ah GitHub
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<
Begasus >
afk, dogs :)
07:31
<
Lunovus >
Pat them for me :)
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Begasus >
it's in 2 shifts :)
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<
Lunovus >
How do I find the right project in GitHub from Haiku Depot?
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Begasus >
what are you looking for? bugtracker is not included in HD I think?
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<
Lunovus >
No, found the bugtracker per your link
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<
Lunovus >
More like where to find the project/source for the package
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<
Lunovus >
An old one from you, it seems..
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<
Begasus >
yeah, seems a missing dependency there
07:56
<
Begasus >
err no ...
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<
Begasus >
used upstream source
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<
augiedoggie >
vmware addons are not the same as virtualbox addons
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<
Begasus >
no, grabbed the wrong link, my bad :)
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<
Lunovus >
I guess I'm too stupid for GitHub :-/
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<
Lunovus >
But I have to admit it's the last account I created somewhere
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<
Begasus >
I guess it's a long time sinse anyone looked at the add-ons
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<
Lunovus >
Ah found it
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<
Lunovus >
I only see patches
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<
Begasus >
packages for Haiku (3rdparty) are created with "recipes"
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<
Begasus >
scripts that pull the source, apply the patchset, build the source and package it
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<
Lunovus >
And the latest changes were 2 years ago?
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<
Lunovus >
I think I saw newer patches for that somewhere on Haiku Depot
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<
Begasus >
strange it's in the depot, the recipe is marked as broken
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<
Lunovus >
And according to the embedded git commands, the original source is in the "original" Vbox sources?
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<
Begasus >
ah not for 64bit
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<
Begasus >
yes Lunovus
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<
Begasus >
that pulls the source
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<
Lunovus >
OK, thx, but where did you find that? It's not in the recipe file
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<
Lunovus >
And what tool eats those files btw.?
08:10
<
Lunovus >
Damn, was looking at the patchset
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<
Lunovus >
What's kmk?
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<
Begasus >
SUMMARY="A makefile framework for writing simple makefiles for complex tasks" :)
08:14
<
Lunovus >
Ok, and what tool eats those recipes?
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<
Lunovus >
It looks this stuff is way beyond me
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<
Begasus >
haikuporter*
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<
Begasus >
python based
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<
Lunovus >
First I need to get a dev environment set up, then trying to build that beast, then maybe I can begin to find out what's wrong
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<
Lunovus >
Ah, ok, thx
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<
Lunovus >
And virtualbox.org is still down for me
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<
botifico-ecd96135 >
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 932a9db - minidlna, bump version, leave disabled (#9805)
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<
Lunovus >
So I can't test if it's "only" the larger version of virtualbox for me
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<
Begasus >
haven't used VBox in a while here, after the switch to a Win11 laptop I moved over to VMWare (but now running on bare metal)
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<
Lunovus >
EFI boot is somehow borken for me on my dektop after toying around with GPT, Win10, and my BIOS
08:19
<
Begasus >
if you need help setting up haikuporter, just give a yell :)
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<
Lunovus >
It's only booting into win now, had Haiku running fine on bare metal before..
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<
Lunovus >
Don't tell me it's not as easy as installing the package, please?
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<
Begasus >
I boot through bios efi in the bootmenu, so far works fine
08:20
<
Lunovus >
I don't get into my BIOS anymore :-/
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<
Lunovus >
Only after clearing CMOS
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<
Lunovus >
And after I disable CSM boot (needed for Win 11 now on a GPT diks)
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<
Begasus >
well, if you wan't to tackle the add-ons to fix them you would either grab the source yourself and build/patch, or use haikuporter to do the work for you (that is currently done)
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<
Lunovus >
It's back to Win 11 only, no boot menu at all :-/
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<
Begasus >
bugger :/
08:22
<
Lunovus >
I guess it's Win 10's fault that I asked to boot me into the BIOS
08:22
<
Begasus >
with the updated qtwebengine I'm almost done with booting into Windows :)
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<
Lunovus >
And even Win 11 somehow seems to mess with my UEFI firmware settings. I change something, see the changes, next boot, back to what it was before..
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<
Begasus >
well, I don't realy go into the BIOS, I hit F9 to get into the bootmenu and select EFI ...
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<
Lunovus >
AFAIR my BIOS does not have a selector outside of the normal BIOS settings
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<
Begasus >
can't you acces any bootmenu when the machine startsup?
08:25
<
Begasus >
sorry for bad English :)
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<
Lunovus >
Maybe there is one, but I can't see it
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<
Lunovus >
I even installed rEFInd, but my Windows always sets the firmware to directly boot into Win :-/
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<
Lunovus >
Next thing I can try is to boot rEFInd from the original Win bootloader setting
08:27
<
Lunovus >
Some more tinkering around with bcdedit I guess
08:27
<
Lunovus >
Or ask somewhere apart from superuser.com
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<
Begasus >
haven't fidled with rEFInd, this is working for me, so I'm not going to break it :D
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<
Lunovus >
nephele told it's way better than GRUB2, but I can't tell :-/
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<
Begasus >
it's advised to use yes, only had one quick look at it, and let it go (but that's just me)
08:31
<
Lunovus >
Maybe I'll ask in the MS forums, on, err, elevenforum.com
08:31
<
Begasus >
err jikes :/
08:32
<
Lunovus >
Or I'll buy a new mainboard after Christmas
08:32
<
Lunovus >
Damn, I had Zorin and Haiku both running fine, and then that prep for Win 11 led to such a disaster
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<
Begasus >
lol Whatever you read was likely generated by ChatGPT or a clueless individual
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<
Lunovus >
1 day after my tinkering, I got offered Win 11 on bootup and it runs just fine
08:33
<
Lunovus >
It in the Win 8+ boot troubleshooting options
08:34
<
Lunovus >
It's menu (at bootime) offer to boot into UEFI settings
08:34
<
Lunovus >
Didn't work for me, and since then, no more BIOS for me (until CMOS reset)
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<
Lunovus >
And after I disable CSM (for Win 11 to boot), again no more BIOS
08:35
<
Lunovus >
Probably a bug in the BIOS, but it's the latest from 2021
08:35
<
Lunovus >
Maybe I should ask AMI
*gg*
08:36
<
Begasus >
glad I don't have to fidle with those anymore :)
08:36
<
Lunovus >
But I guess Win is to blame
08:37
<
Lunovus >
Why don't you have to fiddle with BIOS settings anymore?
08:39
<
Begasus >
Not that much to fidle on the laptops
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<
Begasus >
Used to build my Desktops myself back in the years, still got a big tower (not connected) sitting beside me :)
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Lunovus >
Laptop has running Haiku on bare metal, but is really old
08:41
<
Lunovus >
Even bought a USB WIFI dongle for it, not tested that yet
08:43
<
Lunovus >
And I don't want to do any dev stuff on that laptop
08:45
<
Lunovus >
Hey, oracle.com is also down for me
08:45
<
Lunovus >
Maybe they got hacked
*gg*
08:45
<
Lunovus >
Or the server room is on fire
08:46
<
Begasus >
One of the laptops is older too, slower to run builds on too, this one is a blessing :)
08:47
<
Lunovus >
Hmm, maybe it's my ISP
08:49
<
Lunovus >
Ah, Oracle.com's web server is up, they just don't answer to pings, great :-/
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coolcoder613_32 >
Hello Begasus
09:02
<
Begasus >
hi coolcoder613_32
09:03
* coolcoder613_32
is trying to build net+
09:03
<
coolcoder613_32 >
not web+
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Lunovus >
VirtualBox.org is back, and I'm trying the older version now, hopefully it'll read my .vdi
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Lunovus >
*sigh* Older version of VirtualBox with the guest additions works better regarding fs crashes
10:20
<
Lunovus >
As is: I doen't crash as fast, but it still crashes (after a while), just somewhere else
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Lunovus >
Do shared folders work in VMWare without problems?
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coolcoder613_mac >
My approach to shared folders: create a raw disk image, mount, put on files, unmount, mount in vm...
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Lunovus >
Sounds awkward
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Lunovus >
Especially for the Gigs of mp3s and ebooks I got on my disks
10:27
<
Lunovus >
At least I got sound in my virtual Haiku, the bare metal wouldn't play through my SPDIF connection
10:27
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coolcoder613_mac >
Hmmm... maybe give it a raw partition from your HD....
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coolcoder613_mac >
Or an external HD
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Lunovus >
Nah, really sounds like too much hassle
10:28
<
coolcoder613_mac >
On windows, yes
10:28
<
coolcoder613_mac >
On linux/haiku/etc, easy
10:29
<
Lunovus >
Windows is the only thing I can use as host as my EFI boot is borken :-/
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<
Lunovus >
And it's my main OS anyway
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<
Lunovus >
Most stuff is on NTFS partitions
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<
Lunovus >
Bare metal Haiku was handling those just fine
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<
coolcoder613_mac >
What about EasyBCD?
10:30
<
Lunovus >
Payware now
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<
Habbie >
rEFInd then?
10:30
<
Lunovus >
I can use bcdedit just fine, but Windows seems to mess with the changes I make
10:31
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Lunovus >
Installed rEFInd, but the damn Win (I guess), won't let me boot it
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<
Habbie >
what about hitting the right key before windows boots? on several of my machines, F12 offers some EFI boot choices
10:32
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Lunovus >
Maybe with a bit more bcdedit changes, I'll see rEFInd
10:32
<
Habbie >
(discovering that saved me a lot of time booting debian rescue after windows updates, to restore GRUB)
10:32
<
Lunovus >
My BIOS offers no boot choices outside the "normal" BIOS settings interface
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<
Lunovus >
And I can't access those because, I dunno :-/
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<
Habbie >
coolcoder613_mac, oh cool
10:33
<
Lunovus >
No more splash screen, no action when I press/hold the needed key
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Lunovus >
Only after a CMOS reset I can enter it
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Lunovus >
If I disable CSM (for Win11 to boot), it'll no longer let me access it
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Lunovus >
Totally weird stuff
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Lunovus >
I got VisualBCD already
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Lunovus >
Always tells me the bcd store has been changed in the background
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Lunovus >
Probably Win messing with my settings
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Lunovus >
"RELOAD STORE - BCD CHANGED BY EXTERNAL PROCESS !!"
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Lunovus >
Yup, with TWO exclamation marks..
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Lunovus >
Didn't know that, will try the trial version, thx
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Lunovus >
Would even pay for it, if it could fix my problem
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Lunovus >
Dang, hangs like VisualBCD does when I want to edit something
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Lunovus >
I guess Win is really looking after those dang bcd entries
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Lunovus >
MBR not GPT
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Lunovus >
I was at MBR, now I'm on GPT with "pure" UEFI boot
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Lunovus >
Ah screenshots also show UEFI, I guess I'll try that too, thx
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Lunovus >
Last version from 2016, web page is offline
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Lunovus >
Let's see anyway..
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Lunovus >
Does know Windows 8 as latest OS
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Lunovus >
Does not show the firmware options
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Lunovus >
Still a nice powertool as most Russian low-level stuff ;-)
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Lunovus >
(Windows Defender found no threat)
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Lunovus >
Has an option to boot to firmware UI on next restart
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Lunovus >
This will be interesting...
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Lunovus >
Hope to see you again soon..
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Lunovus >
And I'm back!
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Lunovus >
Still boots into
*drumroll* Win!
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Lunovus >
No sign of a BIOS screen to be found
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coolcoder613_mac >
If you hold Shift when you click restart...
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Lunovus >
Black screen
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Lunovus >
Did work on Win 10
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Lunovus >
On Win 11 does nothing but black screen
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Lunovus >
Haven't tested "shutdown /r /fw" yet, but I guess the same on Win 11
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coolcoder613_mac >
What kind of laptop is it?
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Lunovus >
Maybe I'll ask around in some MS forum
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coolcoder613_mac >
Have you tried all the different shortcuts?
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Lunovus >
No laptop, Gigabyte Z370M-DS3H with AMI BIOS F14 (latest version) CPU: Intel Core i7 8700K ("soft" TPM2.0 supported) OS: No latest Win 11
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coolcoder613_mac >
Esc, F1, F2, F11
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Lunovus >
Only del is supported, no splash screen anymore, nothing happens if I press/hold del or not
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Lunovus >
If I changed the firmware BCD to load rEFInd first, it'll boot Win again, and the bcd settings are reset
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Lunovus >
Firmware Boot Manager
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Lunovus >
---------------------
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Lunovus >
identifier {fwbootmgr}
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Lunovus >
displayorder {4fec8a12-88d7-11ee-b6ff-806e6f6e6963}
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Lunovus >
{c2c41686-8a42-11ee-b70b-806e6f6e6963}
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Lunovus >
{bootmgr}
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Lunovus >
timeout 1
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Lunovus >
Windows Boot Manager
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Lunovus >
--------------------
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Lunovus >
identifier {bootmgr}
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Lunovus >
device partition=\Device\HarddiskVolume4
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Lunovus >
description rEFInd
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Lunovus >
path \EFI\REFIND\REFIND_X64.EFI
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Lunovus >
locale en-US
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Lunovus >
inherit {globalsettings}
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Lunovus >
resumeobject {e21c5e67-85bf-11ee-a956-d9429cc1779e}
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Lunovus >
default {current}
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Lunovus >
displayorder {current}
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Lunovus >
toolsdisplayorder {memdiag}
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Lunovus >
timeout 10
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Lunovus >
Firmware Application (101fffff)
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Lunovus >
-------------------------------
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Lunovus >
identifier {4fec8a12-88d7-11ee-b6ff-806e6f6e6963}
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Lunovus >
device partition=\Device\HarddiskVolume4
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Lunovus >
path \EFI\MICROSOFT\BOOT\BOOTMGFW.EFI
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Lunovus >
description Windows Boot Manager
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Lunovus >
Firmware Application (101fffff)
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Lunovus >
-------------------------------
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Lunovus >
identifier {c2c41686-8a42-11ee-b70b-806e6f6e6963}
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Lunovus >
device partition=\Device\HarddiskVolume4
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Lunovus >
path \EFI\UBUNTU\SHIMX64.EFI
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Lunovus >
description ubuntu
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Lunovus >
Output of "bcdedit /enum firmware"
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Lunovus >
Ubuntu entry was from a Zorin install I did manage after a CMOS reset
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Lunovus >
It managed to add it's entry to the BCD, still my BIOS screen is lost, and I can still only boot Win
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coolcoder613_mac >
BCD is the windows bootloader....
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Lunovus >
the first in the displayorder is the Win UEFI bootloader
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Lunovus >
If I change the displayorder to "rEFInd first" it says OK, bcdedit shows my changes
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Lunovus >
Next boot, it boots win, then the changes are reverted
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coolcoder613_mac >
Hmmm... msconfig.exe?
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Lunovus >
Doesn't show the firmware stuff
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Lunovus >
Doesn't even show rEFInd nor Ubuntu
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coolcoder613_mac >
Have to go now, goodbye
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Silentlexx >
Hi. Ukranian keyboard layout not work (((
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Lunovus >
What happens when you select it?
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Lunovus >
Seems to work on my "virtual" machine
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Lunovus >
Are you running beta4 or a nightly?
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Silentlexx >
beta4 on eeepc 900ax (awesome os for this dino)))
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Silentlexx >
russian works, but why :(
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Lunovus >
If I use preferences/Keymap and switch to Ukrainian keyboard, all the text I enter into Pe seems to display whats shown on the keymap window
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Silentlexx >
strage, it's work againe )) thx
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Lunovus >
You're welcome :-)
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Silentlexx >
Слава Україні! ))
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Lunovus >
I'm hoping for the best for your country
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botifico-ecd96135 >
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_-Caleb-_ >
morning...
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Lunovus >
I'm back, solved my boot problem, can now get back into my BIOS settings
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Lunovus >
Now I just have to figure out how to boot rEFInd and/or my Haiku on bare metal
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botifico-ecd96135 >
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andreasdr[m] >
Hi there.
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~/Desktop> pkgman full-sync
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bbjimmy_64 >
100% repochecksum-1 [65 bytes]
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bbjimmy_64 >
Validating checksum for FatElk_64...done.
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bbjimmy_64 >
Refreshing repository "Haiku" failed 0%: Server not found
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bbjimmy_64 >
100% repochecksum-1 [64 bytes]
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bbjimmy_64 >
Validating checksum for HaikuPorts...done.
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bbjimmy_64 >
Nothing to do.
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waddlesplash >
kallisti5[m]: ^^
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r1/beta4(revision hrev56678+93) x86_64
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bbjimmy >
walter (revision hrev57424) x86_64 ... Validating checksum for Haiku... done
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bbjimmy >
still nothing to do, but it does find the Haiku repository.
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andreasdr[m] >
Cool Begasus. What kind of software are those 2 application windows?
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Begasus >
One if for rss feeds, the other for podcasts
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Begasus >
it's just playing with them :) we already got BePodder for most :)
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andreasdr[m] >
Nice. Looks very good.
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Anarchos >
waddlesplash interlisp only troubles remaining are gethostid and settimeofday.
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waddlesplash >
where's that other project you were looking at that needs exec() on some other thread?
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Begasus >
Although BePodder doesn't show the xml feed correctly :/
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Anarchos >
waddlesplash let me a second i give you the link
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Anarchos >
waddlesplash i can't remember how BeOS used to port «fork/exec» code
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waddlesplash >
Anarchos: ok. I don't see what the problem is here, it looks like it's a very standard fork/exec and should not cause problems
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Anarchos >
waddlesplash strange, when i tested it, execve called exec_team from a thread which was not the main trhead, and i got 'Operation not supported'
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waddlesplash >
how?
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waddlesplash >
Anarchos: are you sure this is really the right thing that uses exec()
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waddlesplash >
that file you linked me to?
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waddlesplash >
and not something else?
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Anarchos >
i can'(t remember....
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Anarchos >
but i looked the source code of execve and it calls exec_team
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waddlesplash >
yes but is this the right invocation of execve?
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waddlesplash >
or is it somewhere else?
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waddlesplash >
a breakpoint may be needed
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Anarchos >
waddlesplash sure, i just rely on my memory for this one cause i debugged it weeks ago sorry
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Anarchos >
so i launch "Debugger ~/.opam/4.14.2+trunk/bin/dune exec -p lwt src/unix/config/discover.exe -- --save --use-libev true " ?
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waddlesplash >
yes.. or, may make more sense to just modify libroot to invoke debugger() inside execve()
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Anarchos >
in libroot_debug.so ?
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waddlesplash >
or rather right before _kern_exec syscall
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waddlesplash >
either libroot, but you will need to build a new one
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Anarchos >
may i jsut build a new one and put in config/non-packaged/lib ?
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waddlesplash >
add debugger("exec"); right before _kern_exec
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waddlesplash >
Anarchos: no! don't do that
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waddlesplash >
you will be unable to run any program that needs fork/exec and they will all spawn debugger messages
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waddlesplash >
instead force your new libroot to be loaded like this:
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waddlesplash >
LD_PRELOAD=path/to/your/libroot.so ~/.opam...
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Anarchos >
oh i see
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Anarchos >
your advice saved me a reboot :)
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Anarchos >
i will try to do that tonight (here it is 19:00, time to eat with family)
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[haiku/haiku] ba1465cc865a - HaikuDepot : Faster DTO Models
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closing down, cu peeps!
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[haiku/haiku] b6c24e6b4024 - network: Overhaul TUN/TAP subsystem.
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waddlesplash >
that ^^ is the necessary ingredient to get VPNs working on Haiku
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waddlesplash >
kallisti5 successfully connected with OpenVPN, after some manual fiddling with routes
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kallisti5[m] >
The latest openvpn package has everything it needs to play with VPN's under Haiku
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waddlesplash >
kallisti5[m]: are you going to work on route handling code on openvpn?
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kallisti5[m] >
yeah, a bunch of improvement is needed there
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kallisti5[m] >
A lot easier to work on the port when i'm not working on nightly iso's :-)
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kallisti5[m] >
*from locally compiled nightly isos
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kallisti5[m] >
speaking which... kicks concourse
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kallisti5[m] >
weird. I still don't know why these randomly happen on the builders:
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kallisti5[m] >
Resolving eu.hpkg.haiku-os.org (eu.hpkg.haiku-os.org)... failed: Temporary failure in name resolution.
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Habbie >
well that's not good
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Habbie >
that is, in fact, quite bad
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Habbie >
hard mode: get digitalocean to fix it
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puck_ >
this is fine, the entire haiku-os.org domain is dnssec unsigned
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Habbie >
quick mode: put TXT "workaround" on hpkg and ams3
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Habbie >
puck_, i know, doesn't mean it's fine
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puck_ >
tho hrm @ nxdomain behavior
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Habbie >
yeah, won't sit well with rfc8020 + qname minimisation
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Habbie >
or just rfc8020 if you're unlucky about cache contents
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Habbie >
doesn't really explain "Temporary failure" but many resolver clients/libraries are unreliable in how they report problems
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kallisti5[m] >
i really hate dnssec... i just want that on record
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Habbie >
(which means it is possible that the nxdomain stuff is not actually the cause here, but it will need to be fixed anyway)
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kallisti5[m] >
It's a nice thing... but stupid complex
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puck_ >
it's not the dnssec bit, but the qname thing here seems to be the bigger issue
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Habbie >
kallisti5[m], it's not relevant here
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puck_ >
would've been nice if it actually mentioned the error well, but yeah
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Habbie >
puck_, you mean in kallisti5[m]'s paste?
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puck_ >
no, the dnsviz
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Habbie >
there i can likely help
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Habbie >
what are you missing?
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puck_ >
well, it mentions the error, just not in a clear way
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Habbie >
dig hpkg.haiku-os.org
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Habbie >
status: NXDOMAIN
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puck_ >
kallisti5[m]: though, if you could indeed add a random TXT record to hpkg.haiku-os.org (and the what eu.hpkg CNAME) like Habbie said, it'd be interesting to see if that improves it?
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Habbie >
is an error condition, because clearly names exist underneath it
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puck_ >
yeah but reading that from a giant box that only shows while you hover over it is a bit weird
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Habbie >
the dnsviz interface is not the best
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Habbie >
i got used to it
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kallisti5[m] >
yeah, I can try that. Historically domain layouts like this haven't been an issue... so I still blame dnssec 😆
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puck_ >
it's not actually a dnssec issue
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puck_ >
it's a privacy issue
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Habbie >
dnssec has nothing to do with it
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puck_ >
some dns resolvers may request e.g. hpkg.haiku-os.org, since if it's a CNAME you don't want to leak eu.hpkg.[etc] to that dns server
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puck_ >
but if you then get an NXDOMAIN (as happens now) it seems like eu.hpkg also won't exist
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coolcoder613_32 >
Good morning everyone
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puck_ >
s/seems/suggests/
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Habbie >
puck_, note you can also click open Errors on the left side
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puck_ >
kallisti5[m]: (and creating those TXT records will likelly stop the dns server from responding with NXDOMAIN for those domains)
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Habbie >
it should, yes
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kallisti5[m] >
added
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puck_ >
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 43570
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Habbie >
the bit between () was uncalled for
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Habbie >
oh you didn't do ams3 yet
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kallisti5[m] >
i fixed it to be more relevant and less petty (in 900 secs)
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Habbie >
kallisti5[m], already see the new version, thanks
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Habbie >
puck_, 8020 is key, but 7816 exposes the underlying problems more often
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kallisti5[m] >
ams3 added too
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kallisti5[m] >
Man, i'm getting old and left behind in tech. Too many years at cushy Linux sysadmin jobs
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waddlesplash >
old?
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waddlesplash >
this is DNS
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waddlesplash >
it's not new lol
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puck_ >
qname minimalisation
*is*
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Habbie >
but 8020 really isn't
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Habbie >
just made it more explicit
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puck_ >
my ISP's dns doesn't do qname minimalisation, but quad9 does
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puck_ >
so without that, if you used quad9 as dns, you wouldn't be able to resolve eu.hpkg.haiku-os.org at all
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Habbie >
note that quad9 is two resolver implementations, which you hit randomly
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Habbie >
but in this case it probably doesn't matter
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puck_ >
doesn't look like it unless i got very unlucky just now
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Habbie >
as far as i know, both (powerdns and unbound) do 8020 and 7816
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Habbie >
kallisti5[m], yes! nice work
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Habbie >
is ams3 the only relevant subdomain?
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kallisti5[m] >
ams3 and hpkg are the only subdomains with things behind them, but nothing on them
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Habbie >
i wonder how DO messed this up, meanwhile
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Habbie >
but that's not for now, and perhaps not for here :)
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kallisti5[m] >
Thanks for the help. I honestly haven't spotted this before... especially since the failures are random
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Habbie >
i can't promise this was the reason
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kallisti5[m] >
10 other layers of stuff that could be wrong
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Habbie >
but it certainly will have caused the occasional failure in some places
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kallisti5[m] >
yeah.. hopefully it helps things
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botifico-ecd96135 >
[haikuports/haikuports] korli 2cac9b8 - pyqt: fix install dir
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coolcoder613_32 >
Thanks for that, i had to manually change the hpkg
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waddlesplash >
for anyone wanting to try out a VPN on Haiku... here's kallisti5[m]'s instructions simplified
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botifico-ecd96135 >
[haikuports/haikuports] korli 5dd56c6 - pyqtwebengine5: switch to python 3.10
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[haiku/haiku] f7fb846f5be5 - Tracker: Store the correct time value in the thumbnail creation attribute.
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* HaikuUser
is coming back to IRC
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ACultOfTheLambFan >
hello!
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ACultOfTheLambFan >
._. ?
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ACultOfTheLambFan >
don't woof @ me please, im not a furry :s
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augiedoggie >
'twas a hello woof :P
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ACultOfTheLambFan >
oh ok i guess?????
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ACultOfTheLambFan >
how do i change my nickname permanently?
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ACultOfTheLambFan >
(sorry 4 my bad english :S)
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* phschafft
maus at augiedoggie.
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* ACultOfTheLambFan
is asking what is happening here
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phschafft >
ACultOfTheLambFan: it's a setting of your IRC client. That is if you use a real client not a web client.
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augiedoggie >
yeah, it's been a while since i've used Vision so i can't remember where in the settings window it is
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ACultOfTheLambFan >
i'm using a real client, so idk why it dosent work
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* phschafft
is always a bit confused when people join with generic nicks and most of the time assumes that they join via some web client or similar.
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augiedoggie >
Vision is configured to join as HaikuUser so it's pretty easy to spot
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augiedoggie >
and his quit message says it :P
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augiedoggie >
woof woof woof!
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* augiedoggie
gets ready to chase cats
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phschafft >
I have seen dogs try to chase our cats. but I must say the tigers generally didn't care. plus they know the dogs aren't allowed near them.
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Monni >
I've seen cats woof...
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phschafft >
HaikuUser: seems that didn't work.
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scanty >
I have a question. I'm porting my NES emulator to Haiku. Should I do it on Beta4, or can/should I use a later hrev?
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TheLamb >
hold on, it worked?
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TheLamb >
OMG IT WORKED WOOOO
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scanty >
wow, you're easily impessed ^_^
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scanty >
impressed*