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<coolcoder613_32> How to see how Mail is syncing my email?
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<coolcoder613_32> Hello zard
<zard> hello coolcoder613_32 :)
<coolcoder613_32> I'm trying to set up my email
<zard> Never done it before on Haiku, so I can't help there
<zard> Is fortunebot online?
<coolcoder613_32> No, why?
<coolcoder613_32> It was running on my mac.
<zard> I just wanted to see my fortune ;)
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<coolcoder613_32> open Terminal, run `fortune`
<zard> Ah, I see people from matrix aren't having trouble joining.
<zard> Yes, I know... But I bet fortunebot would be more accurate ;)
<coolcoder613_32> It is just running the fortune command itself ;)
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<zard> Hmm... does fortunebot also support running other commands?
<coolcoder613_32> If i changed the source, than yes
<zard> Good you didn't let it run just any command that the user specified
<zard> That could be bad ;)
<coolcoder613_32> fortunebot is written in rust
<coolcoder613_32> all it does is listen for the text `fortune`
<zard> Ah, nice
<coolcoder613_32> and reply with the output of fortune
<zard> Don't remember, was Rust supported on Haiku?
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<coolcoder613_32> Yes, it is
<coolcoder613_32> But some Rust crates do not support Haiku
<zard> Nice update to PyAPI's README :)
<coolcoder613_32> meaning that a lot of larger rust programs will not work
<coolcoder613_32> The ones I want most are EndBASIC, and Lapce
<coolcoder613_32> Also RustPython
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<zard> Hello coolcoder613_mac :P
* zard resumes working on uncommenting the app kit
<zard> Almost done :)
<coolcoder613_32> My mac is not open, it just joins and leaves by itself :)
<zard> Ah
<zard> Did you see my comment on one of OscarL's GitHub issues?
* coolcoder613_32 goes to check
<coolcoder613_32> Which one?
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<zard> Goodbye coolcoder613_mac :P
<coolcoder613_32> Seems okay
<coolcoder613_32> Do you want to do it
<zard> Yes, soon as I get around too it
<zard> Better sooner than later, as OscarL mentioned
<coolcoder613_32> 3 forks now, I think
<zard> Going to have to get everyone to run `git pull` then
<zard> Once we change the commit history
<zard> goodbye
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<coolcoder613_32> Hello again, HaikuUser
<HaikuUser> Hi
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<coolcoder613_32> Is this your first time using Haiku?
<HaikuUser> No
<coolcoder613_32> When was the last time you used Haiku?
<HaikuUser> Just want to check Haiku progress since last few years )
<HaikuUser> This is live system image from flash
<coolcoder613_32> What do you think about our progress?
<HaikuUser> Not bad! Almost all things working good!
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<coolcoder613_32> Except?
<HaikuUser> Touchpad )
<coolcoder613_32> What is wrong with the touchpad? What laptop are you using?
<HaikuUser> ASUS ZenBook UM431D
<HaikuUser> ~> uname -aHaiku haiku 1 hrev56578+93 Nov 6 2023 07:27: x86_64 x86_64 Haiku
<HaikuUser> ~> uname -aHaiku haiku 1 hrev56578+93 Nov 6 2023 07:27: x86_64 x86_64 Haiku
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<HaikuUser> Will repartition disk and install it as second OS
<HaikuUser> Oo
<HaikuUser> nginx 1.23
<coolcoder613_32> I don't think you can resize filesystems from Haiku
<HaikuUser> I know that. Thank
<HaikuUser> You are doing amazing job
<HaikuUser> Even Ukrainian language is avaliable <3
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<coolcoder613> Hello Begasus
<Begasus> Hello coolcoder613
<Begasus> still no luck with jfx :/
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<Begasus> hiho humdinger
<humdinger> Hi Begasus!
<humdinger> I'm almost with PonpokoDiff...
<humdinger> Just some janitor work on the copyright headers and about window.
<humdinger> the node monitoring add some strings tot he catkeys
<Begasus> on it :)
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<Begasus> done :)
<humdinger> fast :)
<Begasus> checking some java IDE's out (still missing javaFX) :/
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<coolcoder613> I have build instructions that include -lopengl32, what do i use?
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<coolcoder613> Never mind
<Begasus> found it?
<Begasus> couldn't find it in the recipes here
<coolcoder613> Tried -lGL, other errors... What where they doing distributing a C++ project without some kind of build script? It had 12 stars!
<Begasus> heh
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<Begasus> open in Paladin - generate makefile?
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<coolcoder613> cd ..
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<Begasus> bugger, needed to reboot after updating (replacing new noto package with the old)
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<coolcoder613> Aaah, finally a battle city clone
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<andreaa72> a screensaver 4 haiku 64 : https://www.andreasworks.net/BeWake12Haiku64.zip
<andreaa72> give me a feedback ...
<andreaa72> :)
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<andreaa72> be wake = follow him ...
<andreaa72> i have to go ... please send me an email ...
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<Begasus> bugger, he forgot to leave his address :P
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<Begasus> Hola OscarL :)
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<OscarL> Hello Begasus! How are you these days?
<Begasus> fine :)
<Begasus> How's it going there, long time no see :)
<OscarL> Good! Wife's health getting better too, I hope?
<Begasus> She is not sick, but thanks for asking :)
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<Begasus> She had 2 knee protheses(?)
<Begasus> fidling a bit with npm and java packages :)
<Begasus> grabbing bower-1.8.14-1-x86_64.hpkg and moving it to /Opslag/haikuports/packages/bower-1.8.14-1-x86_64.hpkg
<OscarL> )On my end.... regretting some life decisions... it is getting way too hot down here :-D=
<OscarL> s/)/(/ s/=/)/
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<Begasus> too hot?
<OscarL> 40 C
<Begasus> whoot!
<Begasus> about 10 C here at best atm
<OscarL> and not even noon. and not even summer :-/
<Begasus> not my cup of tea
<OscarL> I'll start to sweat like a fake witness under interrogation (as the saying here goes).
<Begasus> heh, same here when it's too hot
<OscarL> https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/pull/5562 <<< guess you can close that one now Begasus? :-D
<Begasus> looks like NetBeans is building/installing grandle when it needs it (and it's not installed)
<OscarL> So... all big packages on your end now? Noto, java-based IDEs... not envying you :-)
<Begasus> thanks, missed that one
<Begasus> noto recipes are done, installing them is still an issue
<Begasus> NetBeans is done, and only a _bin release, so pretty easy :)
<Begasus> Only wished I (or someone else more knowlidgable) could bring javaFX to Haiku :)
<Begasus> checked out BlueJ and Greenfoot earlier, latest one requires that too now
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<OscarL> surely will make some Java programmer happy :-)
<Begasus> One already made a post at FB about it, missing javaFX :)
<OscarL> I still remember the "big talks" around the possible Java port (OSDrawer times perhaps? or was it around BeUnited?)
<OscarL> So seeing Java stuff run and look this nice... feels nice even if I don't use it :-)
<Begasus> npm is working fine too (working with that in recipes)
<Begasus> created and installed bower package is being detected fine in NB
<Begasus> biab, kids ... :)
<OscarL> enjoy!
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<OscarL> what a PITA -> "*** failed to commit transaction: Failed to change the package activation in packagefs: Name in use"
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<Begasus> fix it? ;)
<Begasus> be glad the download issue is fixed so you don't need that :)
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<OscarL> re: fix it. Out of my league :-D. At best, I'll be able to make it print the offending package name, instead of that generic message.
<OscarL> meanwhile.... seems updating cython to 0.29.36 (needed by scipy) went well (64 bits at least).
<OscarL> Begasus: did we ever got a working numpy build on 32 bits?
<OscarL> (I mean... this year :-D)
<OscarL> mmm latest numpy in 32 bits seems to be 1.23.3 still (1.26.0 on 64 bits).
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<zdykstra> hola OscarL
<OscarL> Hello there zdykstra! :-)
<erysdren> hello party people
<OscarL> hello erysdren. Not much of a party down here... /me rises a closed fist against scipy's build system.
<erysdren> ahhh, more python nonsense i see...
<erysdren> hehe
<OscarL> "haikuporter -> Python's 'build' module -> meson_python > meson". Not having much luck making the later find some dependencies that are RIGHT THERE, damm it!.
<Begasus> OscarL iirc there was an issue about numpy and version restriction (rust related?)
<Begasus> been a while since my last attempt :)
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<OscarL> not sure, I remember the last numpy's builds (1.26.0) failing/hanging on 32 bits buildmasters (with some left overs on disk that waddlesplash cleaned up already)
<Begasus> ah right, there was that too
<Begasus> maybe use a .whl package and check if it works as should?
<OscarL> lots of compiled code on numpy/scipy/pandas/etc. Can't really use prebuilt wheels for those.
<Begasus> like using a _bin package for netbeans is easier then building from source :)
<Begasus> bugger
<Begasus> pip install ... ?
<jmairboeck> if it contains native code (which is the case for numpy) you have to compile it for haiku
<Begasus> ah k
<OscarL> current problem with scipy... meson fails to find pybind11 :-(
<OscarL> and "python -m build" (that calls meson-python, that calls meson", is removing the build logs "meson" says it is generating.
<OscarL> GRRR!!!!
* Begasus ducks
<OscarL> not your fault! (this time :-P)
<Begasus> fighting with npm and haikuporter :P
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<OscarL> seems our pybind11 packages are not installing their .pc files where they should.
<jezek2> I must say that people who are able to build other people's SW are like gods to me :D
<jezek2> whenever I tried to build something I failed miserably even when following the official guide to the point
<Begasus> jezek2, it mostly starts in Terminal
<Begasus> having a few good startups makes up for the other failures :)
<OscarL> Sometimes it gets really frustrating (specially due to my lack of proper skills/knowledge).
<Begasus> it's not even that OscarL :)
<OscarL> adding several layers of build systems / package managers.... oh... the joy! (not).
<Begasus> installing bower with npm in Terminal works fine, but not with haikuporter
<Begasus> heh
<Begasus> even bower is a package manager :)
<Begasus> but hey, for now people can still use npm for those java packages (like pip for python packages)
<Begasus> packages/modules*
<jmairboeck> you mean JavaScript, Begasus ;)
<jmairboeck> for Java it would be something like maven
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<Begasus> gradle isn't realy javascript I think jmairboeck?
<jmairboeck> no, gradle is also for java
<jmairboeck> I thought you were talking about npm
<Begasus> bower is used for javasccript
<Begasus> npm install grandle works also
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<Begasus> npm WARN deprecated jfx@0.0.0: non-starter, unsupported (that doesn't) :P
<jmairboeck> oh, so they are connected that way, didn't know that
<jmairboeck> it has been a while since I did java, and I have no experience in javascript :)
<Begasus> same here (even less), just can't let go :)
<Begasus> cool, npm has a nice search function also :D
<OscarL> jebus... WHY does build deletes (upon build failure) the meson build dir where the build logs are located ?!?!?!
<OscarL> who thought that was a good idea?
<Begasus> first time you see that? :P
<OscarL> no, must be the 3rd or 4th, but it is always infuriating.
<Begasus> that it is
<Begasus> wanted to grab/look at some logs without luck there too
<OscarL> wonder if there's an option we can pass to meson, so it writes the log elsewhere.
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<Begasus> ~> npm uninstall jfxcentral --prefix /boot/home/config/non-packaged/lib/
<Begasus> works too :)
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<OscarL> At least meson-python folks are aware of this "delete the logs on failure" non-sense: https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson-python/issues/246
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<Begasus> not haikuporter fault then :)
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<OscarL> No. Issue is with the code calling meson ("build" in our case, but could be "pip", or other Python build-backend system pip might call).
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<OscarL> "pip" offers "--no-clean", but even that fails to preserve the meson-build dir, LOL.
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<OscarL> Begasus: a workaround to avoid getting logs removed: pass '-Cbuilddir="build_oscar"' to the "python -m build" step
<OscarL> (when a project uses meson-python as build backend, that's it)
<OscarL> s/build_oscar/build_whatever/ :-D
<Begasus> ah, almost got scared :P
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<OscarL> if using "pip install" instead of "python3 -m build"... use "--config-settings=builddir=build"
<coolcoder613_32> Good morning
<OscarL> good afternoon to you, coolcoder613_32 :-)
<Begasus> g'evening coolcoder613_32 :)
<OscarL> "Called: `/bin/pkg-config --modversion pybind11` -> 1" and indeed, pybind11 places its .pc deep under python3.x/vendor-packages/pybind11/share/...
<OscarL> no wonder pkg-config can't find it.
<OscarL> From meson-log.txt: "Perhaps you should add the directory containing `pybind11.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable"
<Begasus> export ...
<OscarL> thanks good-guy meson-log.txt! :-D
<Begasus> at least progress :)
<OscarL> should fix pybind11 properly, but... I'm a hack, so... "export" I'll try :-P
<Begasus> or fix pybind11 (again)? :)
<OscarL> at least to see what else is broken with this darn scipy.
<Begasus> does python exept --pkgconfigdir or the like?
<OscarL> we even have "pybind11-config --pkgconfigdir" :-D
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<Begasus> too late for that for me :P
<Begasus> time to close down
<Begasus> cu peeps!
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<coolcoder613_32> f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng.
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<OscarL> coolcoder613_32: crystal clear even for me and my poorly self taught "English" :-D
<coolcoder613_32> from /system/data/fortunes/Education
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<Anarchos> hello
<zdykstra> hola Anarchos
<coolcoder613_32> Hello Anarchos
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<Anarchos> guess what ? as soon as i got a power supply for the toshiba, then my fizzbook decides to die...
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<OscarL> "Variable 'prefix' not defined in '/boot/system/develop/lib/pkgconfig/openblas.pc'", Hmmm.
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<Anarchos> hello mmu_man
<OscarL> StyleEdit hiding the cursor on readonly files.... GRRR!!!!
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<coolcoder613_32> Why is my email not syncing?
<coolcoder613_32> It is outlook, connecting with IMAP, why will it not show my emails?
<Anarchos> coolcoder613_32 be careful with outlook
<Anarchos> in POP3 mode, bemail downloaded all my emails in haiku , and emptied my outlook webmail...
<Anarchos> and now i have no way to put them back on hotmail servers...
<Habbie> basically, be careful with pop3
<coolcoder613_32> I'm using IMAP...
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<Anarchos> Habbie i learned my lesson...
<coolcoder613_32> It's in the E-mail settings... Leave mail on server
<OscarL> On the E-mail preflet... first time you try to add an account, it fills up the Real Name correctly, next time it suggest "sshd user", next time "messagebus user"... and then just leaves it blanck.
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<OscarL> (I jut kept hitting "Add" and then closing the "Create new account" dialog)
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<coolcoder613_32> Aaah... now it is syncing(junk folder at least)
<coolcoder613_32> Why only junk?
<coolcoder613_32> <Enclosure: untitled (Type: HTML file)>
<coolcoder613_32> Maybe they havent been downloaded yet...
<coolcoder613_32> The title when I open an email is Downloading: <Title of email>
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<coolcoder613_32> I wish my email would work...
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<coolcoder613_32> How can I see the mail_daemon logs?
<diver1> coolcoder613_32: iirc you need to stop it with launch_roster and then start manually: /system/servers/mail_daemon
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<coolcoder613_32> POP3Protocol::SyncMessages()
<coolcoder613_32> POP3: Messages to download: 1769
<coolcoder613_32> POP3: Can't create file (null)
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