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<nephele_xmpp>
Good day
<nephele_xmpp>
hi Begasus
<Begasus>
hi nephele_xmpp
<Begasus>
finaly locked the topic I see ;)
<nephele_xmpp>
Yesterday it was slow, i assumed maybe people would leave it alone
<Begasus>
time to put this to work ... installKF6-frameworks.sh
<Begasus>
yeah, exploded during the night again it seems
<nephele_xmpp>
Begasus, always the same stuff in those topics, especially the discussion of using "they"... it's not like other lanaguegs don't have similar confusions
<Begasus>
I don't get why it's that big of a fuzz :)
<Begasus>
but been going around for a bit longer, maybe that's it :P
<nephele_xmpp>
Dunno Begasus
<nephele_xmpp>
I guess it became a political talking point in some countries
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<Begasus>
probably, refraining on going into that :P
<nephele_xmpp>
I'm quite enjoying this big monitor for development, it fits so much stuff :3
<nephele_xmpp>
Best strategy begasus
<Begasus>
had a nice dream my Haiku bare metal was up and running again :D
<nephele_xmpp>
We should get a technician out to you
<nephele_xmpp>
what is broken on your machine?
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<Begasus>
nothing is broken, the thumbdrive just doesn't think the boot volume is "valid" from the anyboot iso (any version)
<nephele_xmpp>
can the thumbdrive (when booted) see your disk?
<Begasus>
one thing I haven't tried yet, put the iso on the USB on the wife's laptop :)
<Begasus>
think that still has Win10 on it
<nephele_xmpp>
when it can see your disk when plugged in you may be able to backup the stuff to another drive, then reinstall. Or maybe use a second (new) drive as system drive and have it mount the older drive
<Begasus>
most of the backups already done, it's the re-install that's failing
<Begasus>
no solid "disk" in this one (has this kind of flashcard SSD)
<nephele_xmpp>
that should not matter too much from the OS's perspective
<Begasus>
no, but swapping it to another laptop does :)
<nephele_xmpp>
compiling webkit in debug mode now
<nephele_xmpp>
zard said he fixed it, i hope that it works :3
<Begasus[m]>
saw something about it in the logs, hope you got plenty of space left :)
<nephele_xmpp>
currently still have 8gb free
<nephele_xmpp>
maybe i will go fetch a ssd and install haiku to it in the vm
<nephele_xmpp>
then i can boot it later on bare metal
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<Begasus[m]>
8GB isn't that much for a thing lik webkit I guess
<Begasus[m]>
s/lik/like
<nephele>
yeah, but i have 8gb still left
<nephele>
i already have it cloned and the release version compiled and such
<nephele>
so i will see if this is nsufficient
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<Begasus[m]>
crossing fingers for you :)
<nephele>
just happy webkit can be compiled and develop on with a normal pc...
<Begasus[m]>
hardware is only usefull in build speed I guess
<Begasus[m]>
if it's a PC or a labtop shouldn't matter
<nephele>
I used to try and build lineageos like 8 years ago
<nephele>
that needed like 300GB of disk space
<nephele>
and an ungodly ammount of compile time
<nephele>
haiku is very tame in comparison
<nephele>
and webkit too
<Begasus[m]>
always exeptions to the rule :D
<nephele>
bah, vm seems to have frozen
<nephele>
or the entire pc
<nephele>
maybe i'll just let it sit there, it might recover xD
<nephele>
it did recover, the vm crashed >:(
<nephele>
guess the linux killed got it's target, the one application doing usefull work on my pc. ugh
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<Peppersawce>
How are HaikuDepot categories made? Asking because I noticed CorsixTH doesn't show up in any category
<Peppersawce>
But it should be in games?
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<Anarchos>
Peppersawce: they are modeled on debian package system
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<Begasus>
Hi Peppersawce Anarchos
<Begasus>
Anarchos, haikuports recipes are following the Gentoo layout, how it's done at the depot I don't know
<Begasus>
Peppersawce, current one: games-simulation/corsix_th/corsix_th-0.65.2~git.recipe
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<Peppersawce>
Begasus, yeah, I thought HaikuDepot would put it in games because of that alone but it doesn't seem to work that way
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<Begasus[m]>
maybe add a note in the forum, there is a thread about these kind of things I think (haven't been following all there) :)
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<Peppersawce>
kk ty, I'll check the forums about it
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<Peppersawce>
Something's off about my install I think, it's almost 30 gigs big, I have removed virtual memory and deleted its file (7 gigs) but I haven't gained any free space by doing that
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<Begasus[m]>
it's virtual, so I don't think it takes up any place unless it's being used by something?
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<Anarchos>
Begasus[m]: i should check but i think the virtual memory file is not virtual. The memory is :)
<Anarchos>
Begasus[m]: it is really the same as 'PAGEFILE.SYS' on windows
<Peppersawce>
Guess you're right as it didn't free any space, I do wonder how I got to 30 gigs tho, I didn't install *that* much stuff
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<Anarchos>
Peppersawce: there is a GUI DiskUsage in applications. You can discover which files/directories eat how much space.
<Peppersawce>
Oh right, I should try that, thanks for reminding me
<Peppersawce>
Ok, I'm more confused, DiskUsage only sees 8 gigs of space used
<Peppersawce>
but it does say 30 gigs free (out of 60)
<Begasus>
Peppersawce, not using FileLight are we? ;)
<Peppersawce>
lol, I shouldn't be using extra apps for this imo :D
<OscarL>
Peppersawce: sounds to me like you had some crashes while doing heavy IO stuff.
<Peppersawce>
Had a bunch of hangs trying to build mame a couple of times
<OscarL>
that would explain it, IMO.
<Anarchos>
OscarL: i dream that bfs won't need checkfs/recover anymore ...
<Peppersawce>
Oooh icic
<Peppersawce>
Well, I gained all that space back, ty :)
<OscarL>
had similar situations with Python tests creating multi GB files, and KDLs... "checkfs /boot" tends to fix them well enough at least :-)
<Peppersawce>
Initially I wanted to run Haiku on a 20 gigs, now I could do it :D
<Peppersawce>
(I want some space for a linux partition in case I need that)
<OscarL>
Anarchos: I guess Haiku could try to "auto run" checkfs after a nasty crash at least :-D
<Begasus>
installed Neon on one of the other laptops ... wel try to write the iso image with that later
<Anarchos>
OscarL: the trouble is that some journal info takes 2 block, so no atomic guarantee, if i remember correctly.
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<OscarL>
Begasus: I would suggest really wipping the USB drive before writting the iso into it. Like... fill it with zeros (first and final 100 MB should be more than enough, but, requires more fiddling with "dd" parameters :-D)
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<Begasus>
already wipped it on previous attempts
<OscarL>
(just in case some old data in the pendrive is confusing the bootloader, or the UEFI/BIOS, I mean).
<Begasus>
haven't used manual dd though
<OscarL>
Do you still have any BFS partition in the newer laptop that now fails to boot Haiku?
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<OscarL>
If yes, maybe try to changing that partition type to something else, so the bootloader skips it?
<OscarL>
*bootloader from the pendrive, I mean.
<diver>
Peppersawce: assigned game category to CorsixTH
<Begasus>
There is 1 BFS partition, but that's only data
<Begasus>
don't know if I marked it as active partition when creating it ...
<nephele>
guess the vm hardrive is not big enough, oh well
<nephele>
guess i have to reinstall it
<Begasus>
bugger
<OscarL>
Begasus: Guess you just removed the old install partition then, right?. Might be worth a try zeroing out the few first megabytes if that old partition.
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<OscarL>
I think active partition is only relevant for BIOS/Legacy boot, no?
<Peppersawce>
diver, nice :D
<Begasus>
errr on Windows? ;)
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<OscarL>
Begasus: I would boot some Linux and use GParted instead :-)
<Begasus>
already used a GParted iso to boot and delete that partition :)
<OscarL>
Quite a frustrating situation. Because it *has* to be something just silly, right? given that you had no issues booting/installing beta4 origally. Too bad we can't figure out where the problem lies :-(
<OscarL>
s/origally/originally/
<Begasus>
yeah, I'm feeling I'm missing just something silly, just can't figure it out
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<Begasus>
and not like I'm a novice on the matter :D
<Begasus>
man this thing is slow!
<Monni>
Sometimes the only way to know what the silly thing is to connect serial cable and watch the debug output during failed boot...
<OscarL>
it'd be nice if graphs on ActivityMonitor had (optional?) axis scales/labels.
<Begasus[m]>
serial cable, wouldn't that require a serial port? ;)
<Monni>
Begasus[m]: Depends on if BIOS initializes USB controller or not...
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<Begasus[m]>
not going to hunt that down :)
<Monni>
Even on my decently new desktop PC there is header for COM1 ;)
<OscarL>
had to kill media_server 5 times till it finally loaded media_addon_server without crashing :-/
<Begasus[m]>
maybe I should just try some Debian install without all the fuzz
<Monni>
I always use Debian when everything else fails ;)
<Begasus[m]>
back to basics :)
<Monni>
Since Fedora was spin out, I haven't really used RedHat-based distributions...
<Begasus[m]>
RH has has never been a favorite here
<Monni>
Begasus[m]: When I started, the options were either using RedHat or compiling from sources using floppy disks... There wasn't even single talk about Debian ;)
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<Begasus[m]>
There was SuSE :)
<Monni>
Begasus[m]: SuSE is still based on RedHat ;)
<OscarL>
SuSE 5.1 was my first Linux install.
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<Monni>
My dad used SuSE and Slackware before Haiku...
<Begasus[m]>
6.0 here (iirc) RH 5.1
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<Monni>
I don't remember what RH I used, but some of the packages I built are still in the old archives...
<AlienSoldier>
yt-dlp broken? i can only see audio only or video only format.
<AlienSoldier>
it was working a few days ago.
<Begasus>
I haven't touched it :)
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<OscarL>
yt-dlp moves fast, as sites trying to break it :-D. I just use "pip install --upgrade yt-dlp" (on Windows, at least).
<AlienSoldier>
must be youtube then, previous state don't work better.
<OscarL>
Begasus: and sure enough, on Win10 "pip install yt-dlp" pulls as dependencies: certifi, mutagen, requests, urllib3, websockets, charset-normalizer, idna, pycryptodomex, and brotli :-D
<OscarL>
brotli fails to install with Python 3.13.0rc2 it seems, heh (on win10 still).
<Monni>
Later releases of Windows 10 break a lot of things... They tried to make it too much like Windows 11... Removing some legacy stuff that kept programs optimized for Windows 7 still running...
<OscarL>
one day I'll fix Haiku's yt-dlp dependencies.
<Monni>
one day I will fix all the broken dependency chains on HaikuPorts... lol..
<Begasus>
so the flatpak file on plasmatube was pretty correct on that OscarL :)
<Begasus>
lol Monni
<AlienSoldier>
that is a bit dump that i can get the video format i want and sound but not in the same file.
<AlienSoldier>
*dumb
<OscarL>
Begasus: most likely yes. our recipe just misses lots of stuff.
<Begasus[m]>
atleast it's backed up at codeberg (that recipe for wesockets) :)
<OscarL>
AlienSoldier: usuelly I only get that if I don't have ffmpeg installed. But yt-dlp complains/warns about that in that case.
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: still a pain in the rear to have to package so much ~crap~dependencies just for one app.
<Begasus[m]>
and only cli for that too OscarL :P
<AlienSoldier>
OscarL mmmmh, perhaps ffmeg and yt-dlp no longer version match?
<Begasus[m]>
I know for on that mpv doesn't go well with ffmpeg6
<Begasus[m]>
s/mpv/libmpv
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: yeah, and for stuff that doesn't even needs patches, even :-/. I already scared away poor TmTFx with my... "sorry, I really just don't want to package more python stuff just for one app".
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<Begasus[m]>
heh
<Begasus[m]>
He's still around, no worries :)
<OscarL>
if your app needs 5 litlle packages... please, find a way to embedded yourself, or use less dependencies.
<Begasus[m]>
well, in this case yt_dlp doesn't depend on it I think, plasmatube does? ;)
<AlienSoldier>
i remember when bittorent appeared first, it was a python script, very rapidely someone made one in C and it was lot faster. I don't see why that can't be done with yt-dlp
<OscarL>
AlienSoldier: no idea. Do you get any usefull error message adding "--verbose" to your yt-dlp command line?
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: even if plasmatube really depends on websockets... yt-dlp's recipe still misses that dependency :-D
<OscarL>
AlienSoldier: issue is... it is way faster to write scrappers in python than in c/c++.
<OscarL>
and even faster to adapt them to the ever changing youtube counter-measures.
<AlienSoldier>
yes it say more stuff with verbose
<OscarL>
at least it is python, and not nodejs based, otherwise dependenies would easitly be in the hundreds :-D
<OscarL>
*dependencies, *easily (damn, my typing horrendous today)
<Begasus[m]>
🤣
<Begasus[m]>
ok, Debian 12 on it's way
<Begasus[m]>
well ... installer is 12
<Monni>
I'm still using Debian 13 ;)
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<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: I had to zoom that emoji like 300% to figure out what it was :-D
<Monni>
I just use screenreader to tell what an emoji means ;)
<Begasus[m]>
OscarL there is still magnifier? ;)
<OscarL>
the fact that I got a mono-chrome emoji certainly doesn't helps me "reading" them.
* OscarL
is not a fan of emojis.
<Begasus>
shows only square in Vision, so you must be using something else OscarL?
<Monni>
All IRC clients and web browsers "should" have right-click item to tell whan an emoji means... lol...
<OscarL>
HexChat on Win.
<Begasus>
or I don't have emoji fonts installed :P
<Monni>
I have Twitter Emoji font installed only...
<Begasus>
that's X-emoji now? :P
<Monni>
They haven't updated the font name yet ;)
<Begasus>
sounds so wrong also :D
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<Monni>
It's basically onjy emoji font that really supports Chrome.... Chrome is horrendously broken with font overlays...
<dovsienko>
it is a pity Unicode maintainers reused it as a shared picture library for kids, it began as a solid healthy international standard
<Begasus>
'lo humdinger!
<Begasus>
OscarL, there he is!
<humdinger>
hi ho!
<OscarL>
everytime I see a github repo that uses lots of emojis on theire Readme or release notes... I feel like an old man yelling "get out of my lawn, you rascals!"
<Begasus>
heh
<Monni>
Basically every few months need to update the font so I can see the same as iPhone users see...
<humdinger>
AlienSoldier: read about your YT troubles in the log.
<dovsienko>
it is also a pity that before the demise of Unicode one thing that failed to make its way into the standard was the "external link" (an arrow pointing north-east from within a square) symbol, so it is 2024 and every web site still has to improvise it by whatever means available
<humdinger>
Though I'm now using an even more sophisticated script to choose the quality if needed.
<OscarL>
hello there humdinger, guess you're ears turned red with us talking about yt-dlp? :-D
<Monni>
Something pointing north-east here just screams Siberia here...
<humdinger>
OscarL: why's that? should I be embarrassed? :)
<Begasus[m]>
nah, more like afraid of OscarL' thorn :)
<humdinger>
OscarL: I only check often if there's a new version and do the quick recipe update...
<OscarL>
understood. I just avoid it because I'm getting tired of adding more python packages :-D
<OscarL>
specially for stuff that's (mostly) "pip installable" :-)
<humdinger>
OscarL: are all those rdependencies really needed? Appears to build and run as is...
<Begasus>
OscarL, one could use "pip install" in the recipes? ;)
<OscarL>
humdinger: notice that there is a "dependencies" section and an "optional-dependencies".
<humdinger>
I was just looking at line 44-52
<OscarL>
yes, those are "hard" dependencies, at least as yt-dlp project itself defines them.
<OscarL>
humdinger: it might "build" ok, but remember that this is all intepreted code... those are runtime dependencies.
<humdinger>
I leave recipes in yours and Begasus capable hands. I'll just up the version from time to time I keep fingers crossed it still builds... :)
<AlienSoldier>
humdinger that is my problem, i can't choose the quality i want. 360 video with sound used to be ID 18, now i don't see any ID for video and sound.
<AlienSoldier>
as in --format 18
<humdinger>
AlienSoldier: got an URL for a quick test?
<OscarL>
"format 18" is an old(er) format... from when only one stream contained both video and audio.
<OscarL>
youtube since the move to DASH has moved away from those, and into separate stream.
<nephele>
hmm, my video output is shifted to the left on linux... not sure why :(
<AlienSoldier>
make sense, so i guess yt-dlp need to learn to merge 2 file in one container?
<nephele>
AlienSoldier: it can already download the formats. Merging it would be done with something like ffmpeg
<OscarL>
from the "yt-dlp -F <url>" output, notice that you only get "audio-only" or "video-only" streams.
<nephele>
or a video player that can use those two streams at the same time
<OscarL>
AlienSoldier: you need to change your "-f 18" to something like "-f134+139", or some other codec/format combination that you like better
<OscarL>
yt-dlp already handles the merging just fine.
<OscarL>
(via ffmpeg indeed)
<OscarL>
I tend to go for "-f 244+250", or even "160+250" if it is just a podcast :-)
<AlienSoldier>
OscarL is that the perfect synax? i can't seem to get download started
<AlienSoldier>
*syntax
<AlienSoldier>
i used "--format 18" before
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<AlienSoldier>
OscarL nevermind, figured it out, download star now, thank you!
<AlienSoldier>
*start
<OscarL>
np :-) just be sure to first check the avaialble formats ("yt-dlp -F <url>") for each video, as they can vary quite a lot.
<AlienSoldier>
might explain why i sometime needed to retry to download lately, the format 18 was probably still on certain server and retrying made me switch to them, and now they are all converted-migrated.
<OscarL>
AlienSoldier: older videos might have it, new videos might not.
<OscarL>
ultra-fresh videos (like recent streams and what not)... almost never have format 18 and the like.
<AlienSoldier>
well, until they decide to separate luma and chroma in video this should work :)
<AlienSoldier>
yep, video and audio perfectly merged
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<Begasus>
closing down here
<Begasus>
cu peeps
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<kallisti5[m]>
<nephele> "kallisti5: do you know if..." <- There's been a little basic work, but not much since the plan is a drm compatibility layer at some point
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<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] bc89edc3c33f - kernel/vm: Add some more information to the commitment <= size check.
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<nephele>
kallisti5[m]: I'm not sure about the DRM layer. wasn't that only about 3d acceleration with userspace drivers?
<nephele>
I'm mostly interested in currently in just having native resolution ouput, i.e 4k
<nephele>
(the 240hz part can come later)
<nephele>
but that would atleast save me from running haiku in qemu on Linux, which has been a bit of an exercise in frustration for me
<kallisti5[m]>
The dri part of drm handles mode setting
<nephele>
FreeBSD has fully fledged DRM ports of linux drivers, and for me that has been a horrible experience of constant kernel panics, so i am a bit suspicious of the idea :)
<nephele>
(but that is anecdotal evidence of course)
<nephele>
regardless of a future drm port, do we have something now? would adding my pci id's to the driver be a plausible way to get this to work? or do you expect bigger changes in how the bios of that card operates?
<nephele>
sadly i can't even boot that pc in bios mode, so that avenue is also out of the window. and efi gives me a very small annoying resolution :3
<waddlesplash>
you can try putting your native resolution in the VESA settings file
<waddlesplash>
the EFI bootloader tries to set this if possible before exiting
<waddlesplash>
it works on my AMD hardware anyway
<nephele>
wouldn't that be visible in the bootloader settings then?
<waddlesplash>
I can't recall
<nephele>
I will try it anyhow, maybe I'm lucky :)
<nephele>
Still wondering why unmounted usb device nodes just disapear... wierd
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<nephele>
waddlesplash: fingers crossed :3
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<nephele>
no luck it seems
<nephele>
the efi loader only has two modes available too, 1024x768 and 800x600
<Skipp_OSX>
linux has the best drivers unfortunately so it's a necessity
<Skipp_OSX>
I men FreeBSD did build a Linux compatibility layer to isolate the problem as best as they could have.
<nephele>
linuxkpi for userspace and the driver compat on freebsd are two different things though
<waddlesplash>
linuxkpi is kernel-space not userspace
<nephele>
it is *for* userspace to execute Linux ELF files...?
<Skipp_OSX>
the kernel where the driver crashes your system
<nephele>
not saying it isn't implemented in kernelspace
<Skipp_OSX>
right but the video drivers almost certainly are
<nephele>
sure, but given the choice i'd rather take a video driver that supports the correct resolution and not much else than a driver that gives me 3d accel but crashes my system every 1.5h *shrug*
<waddlesplash>
nephele: no, "linuxkpi" is totally separate from the "Linuxulator"
<waddlesplash>
the Linuxulator emulates Linux syscall ABI
<Skipp_OSX>
anyway they did their best
<waddlesplash>
"linuxkpi" is a source compatibility layer for Linux drivers
<waddlesplash>
both are for kernel space
<Skipp_OSX>
thus kp's
<nephele>
waddlesplash: guess i confused the names then
<tqh>
nephele, that seems very strange. Probably should debug that.
<nephele>
that is, when i turned *off* cms I would not even get video output for the firmware... I could try this again since i now have a different gpu
<nephele>
the board in theory supports a vga port internally too. But my cpu does not.
<tqh>
I never done much with desktop computers so no idea what it does when it needs to talk to display for supported modes.
<waddlesplash>
nephele: memory limit in BIOS mode didn't work? huh
<waddlesplash>
works for many other people
<waddlesplash>
maybe your problem isn't "panic allocating early page" after all
<nephele>
tqh: Funnily enough, now it works. Thanks!
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 6dae8511ffda - kernel/lock: Reinstate ASSERT_UNLOCKED_RW_LOCK in _rw_lock_read_lock.
<nephele>
tqh: Now i can finally develop haikuwebkit properly in 4k without qemu, thanks :D
<nephele>
waddlesplash: I'd be happy to investigate if you want to track this down however
<waddlesplash>
if you don't have serial output, it won't help probably
<waddlesplash>
I have some debug logs from nipos from his situation
<nephele>
(now to install the system and hope it didn't "only" work because grub was there for linux)
<tqh>
nephele, nice. Get working!! :)
<waddlesplash>
I will hopefully get around to looking at that
<nephele>
Well, if you fix it for nipos i can then confirm/deny if it was the same problem
<nephele>
would be neat to cc me to the ticket so i can keep an eye out
<nipos>
Are you talking about my issues with very large RAM?
<nephele>
anyhow, i see there are some pci rs232 cards... but this gpu takes up all slots so i can't actually plug anything in unless i have a bigger board xD
<nipos>
If your computer doesn't have 128GB RAM or something like that,it's probably not the same issue.
<nephele>
nipos: "Angeber" :P talking about my pc not booting in bios mode
<nephele>
My board supports 128GB but i only have 32GB installed
<nipos>
I only remember the KDL on my server and got it solved by removing some of the RAM chips
<nephele>
hmm, let's be prudent and install rEFInd directly
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<nephele>
luckily linux already provided a nice 300MB efi partition :3
<nipos>
Maybe there was also something with BIOS booting on one of my devices,but I can't remember that honestly.The server is the only one where I can get serial output after all
<nephele>
i wouldn't say no to more RAM for my webkit compiles though!... just that i need to get another cpu cooler then
<nipos>
Hm yes,more RAM is always good,but using Haiku on my server is still not fun
<nephele>
nipos: i finally got a configuration that gets me to use my system with 4k native resolution thanks to tqh and waddlesplash
<nephele>
Which is so, so much easier to work with than that crappy resolution the bios gave me
<nipos>
On my server,the RAID controller is also unsupported,so I'm limited to USB storage.And using QEMU with hardware virtualization feels slower than the native install with an old 3-core CPU,and that's with the QEMU harddisk image using the RAID SSD.So yeah,I don't care that much if the KDL with 128GB RAM gets solved,it will be barely usable anyway
<nipos>
nephele: Cool that you finally got it solved.Having to use Linux sounds painful
<nephele>
well, linux supports my gpu for "Gaming" and that is quite nicer than windows, so can't complain there
<nephele>
but for emulating haiku and such it is really ugh
<nipos>
I recently bought a "Gaming" laptop only for good compile performance lol
<nipos>
The last time I played a game more complicated than Snake or 2048 is several years ago.Instantly removed Windows 10,installed Haiku as only OS and hardware support is great here
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<Anarchos>
nipos haiku has some great zelda like games :)
<nephele>
now i'm hoping my new install will boot
<nephele>
installed refind and memtest in one go aswell
<nephele>
who knows when i'd need it :3
<nipos>
Anarchos: I prefer spending my time on fixing Haiku bugs and such.Playing games is wasted time
<nephele>
I like playing some games sometimes
<nephele>
the "powa" of the webkit build machine, incidentally, also is powerfull enough for VR games
<nephele>
just need a VR headset xD
<nipos>
If I'm not motivated to get work done,I prefer watching TV.
<Anarchos>
nipos i program a lot too
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<nephele>
hmm... the efi bootloader doesn't find a "valid" bootvolume, but then it shows me two times "Haiku"
<nephele>
uhh, what's that about
<nephele>
partition type linux data. i seee
<nephele>
and i cant change it live. ugh
<nephele>
oh well, reinstall then
<nephele>
the installed should just fix this for me
<nephele>
darn
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<nipos>
BTW,I was quite surprised how fast the whole haiku.hpkg,which is basically the whole OS,compiled on a single core of a old AMD Athlon here.That made me question whether I really needed that Gaming laptop with i7 CPU lol
<nephele>
haiku compiles quite fast compared to linux linux or lineageos to me
<nephele>
i'm looking forward to seeing how fast webkit can compile (on native) in a bit
<nephele>
probably turning off unified builds first :3
<waddlesplash>
unified builds are actually faster
<waddlesplash>
by a lot
<nipos>
I never compiled any OS or kernel before,but Haiku compiles faster than major browser engines also
<nephele>
waddlesplash: i am aware
<nephele>
they are not faster for my usecase however, with ccache installed and recompiling often
<waddlesplash>
hm, ok
<nephele>
so probably paying a bit more for the initial compile, but later it should be a tad faster for recompiles
<nephele>
made a ticket for the installer changing partition types to not forget about it :3
<nephele>
nice, already scheduled for beta6, you are fast waddlesplash :D
<waddlesplash>
:)
<Anarchos>
waddlesplash you are officialy my employee :D
<nephele>
Anarchos: working in waste disposal that was also sometimes the attitude i got from people beeing forced to pay for their waste disposal ;)
<nephele>
"I pay your salary, so you should accept this type of waste even if you are not allowed to to!"
<nephele>
stuff like asbestos mineral wool, other dangerous waste products...
<Anarchos>
nephele oh not my attitude. I am jsut proud to be a Haiku Inc. donor :)
<nipos>
That's quite common if you work with costumers.I have experience with that too.The costumer is king :)
<Anarchos>
nephele i would never force people to deal with something dangerous and illegal !
<nephele>
Anarchos: that's good :) most people aren't that stupid. But on or two of those birds are always there. it happens
<nephele>
(though not everyone can tell apart asbestos, and that is fine... just don't make it into a me problem after I've identified it for you xD)
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<nephele>
waddlesplash: I had a though, we maintain the "Component" add-on of trac right?
<waddlesplash>
SubComponents
<waddlesplash>
yes
<nephele>
maybe we can improve upon it by adding support for notification rules for componets
<nephele>
so instead of the current "Notify for all new tickets" i could subscribe to certain components
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<gordonjcp>
archive.org appears to be pwned
<nephele>
in what way?
<gordonjcp>
well, there's this javascript popup
<gordonjcp>
instead of the actual site
<nephele>
I'm interested, but i ain't vising if you say it got potentially malicious javascript :)
<gordonjcp>
you're on Haiku, your browser barely supports Javascript ;-)
<nephele>
as a webpositive developer I will take insult to your acurate statement
<nephele>
;)
<gordonjcp>
"Oi! I resemble that remark!"
<nephele>
deskbar is non-responsive and unkillable, my network doesn't work anymore :g not that nice a start for the new install
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<nipos>
For me it only says that the service is temporarily offline,no scary popup
<nephele>
someone should make a dark mode theme for rEFInd
<gordonjcp>
nipos: for me it's just plain down, now
<nephele>
hmm, no audio over displayport. oh well, worth a shot
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<nipos>
Over Tor it's always extremely slow and yes,currently not loading at all.Using a webproxy I get a message that it's temporarily offline and the page title says "Scheduled maintenance"
<nephele>
I got lend a small jbl speaker, it works suprisingly well for a small speaker for the pc
<nephele>
don't really need stereo if i just listen to some music :3
<gordonjcp>
nephele: I feel that way about music
<gordonjcp>
nephele: I'm a musician, not an audiophile
<gordonjcp>
I have a decent stereo at home
<gordonjcp>
my car has a decent (factory fitted, adapted to have bluetooth instead of cassette) stereo
<nephele>
Well, I have nice steroe over-ear headphones if i want to "immerse" in the music fully, but for some backround listening while i'm primarily doing something else it's not that important to me
<gordonjcp>
most of the time I listen to music it's in the car, where the imperfections of bluetooth, 6" speakers and a rather middy waffly subwoofer has to compete with mud tyres, a howly rear diff, wind noise, and the general 1960s-designed Rover V8 metal-on-metal hysteria from up front
<gordonjcp>
nephele: I have a couple of sets of "proper" Beyer Dynamic DT100s
<PulkoMandy>
nephele: Êou complained earlier about usb devices disappearing when unmounting, this is because you have "eject when unmounting" enabled in tracker settings. Since no one has cdrom drives anymore we should maybe change the default value for that option
<nephele>
Lol, i have a dvd drive in both computers in front of me. But I agree. And I am now remembering we likely had this conversation before
<nephele>
since Haiku knows the "class" of these devices it would be nice to do this for DVD drives but nothing else
<PulkoMandy>
I think it is intentional that "eject" works on usb keys (similar to the "remove device safely" option in windows)
<gordonjcp>
PulkoMandy: I'm disappointed that "Eject" doesn't physically eject the USB stick
<gordonjcp>
any decent pinball table manufacturer could have added a solenoid kicker to it
<PulkoMandy>
It is also making sure that all data is flushed to disk, which unmounting may not always do if the devige remains activated
<gordonjcp>
but nooooooo
<gordonjcp>
"too expensive"
<nephele>
unmounting should just sync that
<gordonjcp>
"could put someone's eye out"
<PulkoMandy>
gordonjcp: Build the hardware for it and we can make it happen :D
<nephele>
I don't think removing the device file, so it for example is no longer useable in DriveSetup, is a good idea
<nephele>
insert a usb drive, it automounts, you unmount it, and now you can't format it anymore, and if it is mounted you also can't format it
<PulkoMandy>
well, it makes sense for "eject" on its own to do that (if you use the eject command in terminal)
<PulkoMandy>
Separately, it makes sense that "eject when unmounting" does the same thing as the "eject" command
<nephele>
eject only talks about trays in it's help output
<PulkoMandy>
But unfortunately the combination of the two gives unexpected and unconvenient results
<nephele>
i think this is a mechanism dealing with two seperate concerns
<nephele>
tracker should have a "eject" menu option for optical media instead of unmount, and this should always "eject when unmount"
<nephele>
and for other media we can revisit what makes sense
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<nephele>
PulkoMandy: maybe having a seperate state for usb drives and such in tracker for the "safely unmount" case makes sense, ejecting drives (as in syncing) may take some time, and it would be nice for tracker to reflect that it is now safely removeable
<nephele>
instead of the icon beeing gone, it could also have been moved accidentally :)
<nephele>
anyone know if LANGUAGE was removed from the default enviroment on purpose?
<nephele>
iirc this was present on beta4, but not on beta5. and i think that is the reason why git uses a wrong language now
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<nephele>
funny how many functions are marked as deprecated by openssl3 in the webkit build
<nephele>
i guess the playstation port does not have to deal with this yet
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