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<sen>
before I start looking at implementing something, is there currently any straightforward way to control LCD brightness on laptops using the ACPI _BCL/_BCM/etc. methods, when using VESA driver?
<Skipp_OSX>
not that I'm aware of, the brightness control is one of the things you get with better than VESA driver.
<coolcoder613>
How can I make a Haikuports recipe install a pure python package?
<sen>
Skipp_OSX: okie, that’s what I suspected. VESA is the only option on my T450s, but just having brightness control would make that totally workable for me. I’ll look into what it would take :)
<Skipp_OSX>
you and ActionRetro
<Skipp_OSX>
I'm surprised our Intel driver does not support that model
<sen>
I could only get VESA working when doing BIOS boot, or framebuffer working when doing EFI boot, so I’d assumed no other driver supported this. I haven’t dug into it extensively though, maybe that should actually be task #1
<Begasus[m]>
one down :) not sure what it does, but I'll leave that up to you Monni :)
<Begasus[m]>
hi nephele
<nephele>
Begasus[m]: yesterday installed debian on a x86 tablet :D
<nephele>
now gonna port that a bit more so the orientation sensor touchscreen and such works properly
<Begasus[m]>
nice nephele back to basics :)
<Monni>
Begasus[m]: I usually don't care what libraries do, I just fix issues when an dependency doesn't work correctly...
<Begasus[m]>
when checking that manpage for "di" I spotted jpeg_turbo did the same (stupid typo on my side) :)
<Monni>
Begasus[m]: I hardly ever read man pages... Maybe once in few years when I forget something...
<Begasus[m]>
neither do I, but when I see something installed in the wrong path I tend to look further
<nephele>
hmm, this tablet has mini hdmi
<nephele>
where do i get a mini hdmi cable from
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<Begasus[m]>
small tablet hooked up to a monster of a screen? :)
<nephele>
something like that. This has usb-c, micro-usb and mini hdmi
<Monni>
Begasus[m]: I've worked on so many recipes and branches in last month that I keep forgetting to double-check that everything is installed where it should be... Hopefully now I have more time to focus on Haiku before all the end-of-year mayhem starts...
<nephele>
but i cant seem to get video out of usb-c neither displayport over with a hdmi converter, though the bios has an option for that (though that doesn't mean it works of course...)
<Begasus[m]>
:)
<nephele>
in theory this thing also has like a connectable keyboard, but i don't have that
<nephele>
works with a hub over usb-c though
<Monni>
Begasus[m]: Last Saturday when I was buying groceries, my mom had to tell me what I was doing, because I was just buying random stuff out of a sudden...
<nephele>
just awkward to work at an angle, rather have it on a screen
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] mtl1979 959f35a - Add di 4.54 (#11198)
<Begasus[m]>
K back to one page on the PR's :)
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<Monni>
Begasus[m]: Haiku is attracting so many new users that it won't take long until one page isn't enough anymore ;)
<Monni>
Begasus[m]: I still have handful of recipes that are still in WIP stage, not correctly building yet due to missing or broken features in Haiku... So many libraries nowadays need full IPv6 support...
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<Begasus[m]>
Monni afaik Haiku still isn't fully IPv6 aware/supported?
<nephele>
Haiku supports ipv6 mostly, just not autodiscovery of the adress
<Monni>
Begasus[m]: I know... I tested how far it goes if I manually configure it...
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<Monni>
nephele: For me, it worked with addresses in same subnet, but connecting to internet didn't work... It wouldn't setup default route correctly...
<Begasus[m]>
any idea about "pipeSocket" in Haiku?
<nephele>
what is a pipesocket?
<Begasus[m]>
upstream for iaito is asking about it :)
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<nephele>
linux is so chaotic :D, have to use X11 because touch doesn't work properly in wayland. now in X11 my mouse cursor is upside down
<Monni>
I think pipesocket is like ipipx... basically translates socket API to work with pipes...
<Monni>
I use pipesocket to connect from Windows to Haiku's kernel debugger...
<Monni>
Begasus[m]: If pipeSocket was NULL, it would mean it did run out of memory... It can't be NULL for any other reason...
<Begasus>
OK, would be strange as the same code is also used in Cutter
<Monni>
Begasus: Strange things can happen if there is memory corruption before the affected line, but it's quite unlikely... In most cases it will crash at random places, not one specific line...
<Monni>
Begasus: More likely the file descriptors it use few lines later are not valid... That happens when you start something from another application instead of starting from Terminal as those file descriptors are not initialized automatically...
<Begasus[m]>
man ... I so need to wach out not to switch Desktop on Windows! :P
<nephele>
why?
<Begasus>
Alt-F4 is not a good idea to use in Windows :)
<nephele>
use macos, there is it cmd-q and cmd-w like on haiku ;)
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<nephele>
just be carefull there not to exit apps by using alt-q to type @ xD
<Begasus>
switching Desktops on Windows with WinKey+Tab
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<Begasus>
not changing my habits :D
<Monni>
gotta change explorer.exe in Windows to Tracker from Haiku ;)
<nephele>
You can install kde plasma 4 on windows
<nephele>
but that won't change applications trying to quit when encountering alt-f4
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<Monni>
I have both Tracker and explorer.exe running in Windows... But Tracker isn't running full screen as Haiku doesn't like my 4K display...
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<nephele>
haiku can run on 4k
<Monni>
maxes out at 1600 width with VESA driver...
<nephele>
I have 4k with efi framebuffer
<nephele>
not sure what the vesa driver has to do with windows
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<Monni>
nephele: It asks the VESA driver what is the highest supported resolution, because Haiku doesn't support my display adapter... network adapter is the only supported device...
<Begasus>
stuped PATCHES vs PATCHES_2 :P
<nephele>
what does that have to do with windows monni?
<nephele>
VESA only makes sense if you run it on bare metal...
<Begasus>
hmm ... bare metal .... :'(
<Monni>
nephele: If I run Tracker, it sure doesn't know how to ask Windows API what the supported resolutions are... I'm not running modified version of Tracker...
<Monni>
Windows 10 and 11 can run ELF binaries...
<nephele>
what are you even doing? tracker does not care about resolutions, and it does not relate to the vesa driver
<nephele>
Sure. It can run ELF binaries. From linux.
<nephele>
not from haiku, it would need support for haiku system calls, which it doesn't have
<Monni>
nephele: Nope... for even Linux, it use Linux kernel for system calls...
* Begasus
hides in a corner ...
<nephele>
It ships the linux kernel for that. who cares how they do their compatibility? :P
<Monni>
nephele: I just replaced the Linux kernel with Haiku kernel ;)
<Monni>
Obviously Haiku kernel has limited support for talking with Windows... But it does try hard...
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<mbrumbelow>
Begasus: Hi, do you know if HaikuDepot needs OpenSSL to compile?
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<Begasus>
mbrumbelow?
<Begasus>
HaikuDepot is for in/uninstalling
<Begasus>
I guess you mean "haikuporter"?
<Begasus>
in that case you would see errors not finding ssl or crypto libraries
<mbrumbelow>
I am building and installing the latest version of Haiku. When I build and then later run Software Update or HakuDepot I get wierd errors and such.
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<Begasus>
run as in the new installed system?
<mbrumbelow>
Was seeing if there is not a dep met when building and using those two apps.
<mbrumbelow>
Yep.
<Begasus>
anyway, that's one for the main devs :)
<mbrumbelow>
:)
<Begasus>
normaly the default setup should be ok, did plenty of build and checks in qemu
<mbrumbelow>
The normal devs do wake up until 10:30 EST :P
<mbrumbelow>
Thanks for the info.
<Begasus>
I'm in no category called "dev" at all :D
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<mbrumbelow>
😀
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<HaikuUser2>
There is no NTFS support in my installation. The system crashes on read. Tried both mounting modes. Files are listed however.
<HaikuUser2>
That's something that used to work for me on some previous version.
<nephele_xmpp>
58265 i think? not at the pc right now
<waddlesplash>
ok, so there's still bugs remaining here
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<cocobean>
Begasus: Hello.. so this is easier.
<Begasus[m]>
Hi cocobean
<Begasus[m]>
I can understand closing blender, but not curl, it shouldn't be too hard on that, just needs someone that knows more about it then I do
<cocobean>
Ah.... ok.
<cocobean>
misunderstood.
<Begasus[m]>
yeah :)
<Begasus[m]>
I tried long time ago, but had problems with that one installed, so it's best that someone knowing more about it to look at it
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<cocobean>
Was there a bg filed on the issue with it.. so we can test it?
<cocobean>
IPv6 related?
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<Begasus[m]>
no idea, as mentioned, that was a long time ago here :)
<Begasus[m]>
maybe also did a PR for it, haven't checked
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<cocobean>
Ok. We'll see after they review.
<Begasus>
+1
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<HaikuUser2>
The crash is when I try to double click any of the files that are on that NTFS volume. The white terminal input appears at the top and I reboot at this point. I can trigger the bug and send /boot/system/var/log/syslog.
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<tw>
I'm having a problem with my 8811CU USB WIFI dongle on haiku
<tw>
Does anyone know how to fix it because I tried in FreeBSD but it won't show
<tw>
same with haiku
<HaikuUser2>
I use an Android smartphone as USB Tethering when Wi-Fi don't work.
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<HaikuUser2>
My laptop: Wi-Fi detected but can't connect. On PC internal PCI Wi-Fi card works.
<tw>
I don't know what to do because I don't have a card, I could do tethering but that would just be a pain.
<tw>
Also i'm dual-bootinmg
<tw>
booting*
<HaikuUser2>
Maybe you have a router that can connect to Wi-Fi using it's web interface and then connect this router with Ethernet cable?
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] b54510c37886 - PowerStatus: Fix issues with (dis)connecting batteries while running
<HaikuUser2>
I remember that I was able to read NTFS connected with USB but with more recent version I only tried internal HDD and this is what stopped the system. I can try with USB now - mixed partitions: both NTFS and BeFS.
<Skipp_OSX>
does this fix the phantom battery in vmware? probably not...
<HaikuUser2>
Can I take any notes / type commands in the prompt when the crash happen?
<waddlesplash>
you may need to just take a picture
<waddlesplash>
some crashes are continuable, you can try that
<Skipp_OSX>
There are 2 types of crashes, a hard lockup no notes or commands, and then there is a KDL and in that case you may type in the prompt. Well technically there is a third type which is just a regular debugger gets hit, you may also type.
<Skipp_OSX>
If KDL you can try to continue but unlikely that you'll be able to, it's more to get a bt for screenshot to locate the bug.
<Skipp_OSX>
I see I guess that's supposed to be a pause symbol with "no battery"
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<Skipp_OSX>
https://0x0.st/XlYn.png <= can we not load the battery Desktop applet if there is "no battery"?
<Skipp_OSX>
(If all batteries have a capacity of 0 mph)?
<HaikuUser2>
I went into KDL and typed "exit". This is something that I was not able to do with internal HDD (tried exit multiple times).
<HaikuUser2>
The file copied to the desktop. Can I copy the content of KDL and paste it here?
<Skipp_OSX>
hey diver can I ask you a question about https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/10003 ? What would it take to get this fixed? Because you can Open Parent on virtual folders i.e. Applications
<HaikuUser2>
It works for me in /boot/system/data/deskbar/menu/Demos --> R. Click Open Parent
<HaikuUser2>
After typing exit many times at the debug I was able to open the file from that volume and come back to system.
<HaikuUser2>
I don't have to type exit that many times when I repeat the open operation. I don't have to exit from debug when I repeat copy operation after I already typed exit.
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<HaikuUser2>
How can I make screenshot from KDL?
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<tw>
hi
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<Skipp_OSX>
I guess not
<HaikuUser2>
You mentioned the bt command. Could you explain further how it is usefull in this case?
<Skipp_OSX>
the bt command gives you a backtrace which allows you to see the call stack that led to the KDL in question.
<Skipp_OSX>
where you typed exit, type bt to get a backtrace.
<HaikuUser2>
Yes, I did that but it have little meaning to me and the font is very small. Can I copy it from there ?
<Skipp_OSX>
unfortunately no, you have to take a picture
<HaikuUser2>
A picture with other device?
<Skipp_OSX>
correct
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<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 09abc534f3df - HDA: Adjust printing of stream status in stream_handle_interrupt.
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<Begasus[m]>
closing down here
<Begasus[m]>
cu peeps!
<HaikuUser>
I had to do hard reset. It seems the big resolution I had can't be set now but the one core of CPU is idle now when it was almost 100% all the time before.
<HaikuUser>
It seems there is a readout of what bt command produced in a syslog.
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<HaikuUser>
Let me know if you need more information about this error.
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<sen>
waddlesplash: thanks for your help with my first batch of commits, I appreciate the patience! Happy to have multi-battery support pretty much totally functional now :)
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<waddlesplash>
sen: no problem, happy to help :)
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<bl4ze>
hey bl4ze here, using irc for the first time. Also a beginner in open source, wanted to learn more and looking forward to contribute to this organisation!
<Skipp_OSX>
welcome bl4ze
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<bl4ze>
Is this where conversations take place normally? I dont know much about irc, looks very fascinating though
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<Skipp_OSX>
Conversations take place in a variety of places including this IRC channel, the discussion forum, and the development forum. Different avenues of communication are used for different levels of involvement and technical expertise.
<Skipp_OSX>
development mailing list, excuse me.
<bl4ze>
Thank you so much!
<Skipp_OSX>
We don't use the devel mailing list so much anymore as the forums have taken over as the primary discussion medium for most topics. IRC for back-and-forth discussions concerning bugs and issues, fixes and trials that sort of thing.
<Skipp_OSX>
There are also Twitter and Mastodon channels, but it is also not very widely used. Links are available on the haiku-os.org footer.
<bl4ze>
Are there some good first issues which I can look at?
<scantysnax>
hmm, can't seem to mount my external usb HDD
<scantysnax>
drive lights up so i know it has power.
<Skipp_OSX>
It might be more worthwhile to "View Tickets" instead and search for something you'd like to fix. We have hundreds of open tickets over wide range of different components so it's something you'll have to decide what you are interested in and what you are suited for. For more in-depth changes we maintain a list of GSoC (Google Summer of Code) tasks that we hope some enterprising student will pick up and tackle as part of Google's effort to improve open
<Skipp_OSX>
source.
<bl4ze>
Sounds Cool!
<Skipp_OSX>
There are also other ways you can contribute including documentation and build system, website, mirrors, third party development and packages.
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<bl4ze>
I am mostly interested in development, so will look in that direction.
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<Skipp_OSX>
scanty does the drive appear in DriveSetup?
<scantysnax>
i dont' know yet. the light is on and solid, so no activity is occurring on the drive right now.
<scantysnax>
lket's see
<scantysnax>
let's see
<scantysnax>
yes
<scantysnax>
mounting is taking a loooong time.
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<scantysnax>
oh, there it is.
<scantysnax>
has the wrong icon, but it mounted read-only.
<scantysnax>
of course i will need read/write, but that doesn't seem to work here.
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<scantysnax>
oh well, gmail changed again and is not properly supported by net+, or falkon. it's usable, to a point.
<OscarL>
scantysnax: hello! Is your USB drive formated in FAT32 by chance?
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<OscarL>
scantysnax: I ask because the new FAT driver is known to be slow to mount (and I've noticed some issues with it's drive-icon handling)
<OscarL>
scantysnax: also for that driver, depending on which hrev you're running, it mouting read-only can happen if the partition/volume is "too big" (limits got lifted on nightlies).
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<OscarL>
seems to me that you either forgot to download the commit-hook script, or forgot to run "chmod +x" on it.
<OscarL>
(given that your commit is missing the "Change-Id" on the commit message)
<bl4ze>
I tried using the review.haiku-org/haiku before and at that time I wasnt aware of the commit-hook script. Later I got to know about it but I was getting the error I showed
<bl4ze>
Should I do it again? (This is my first open source contribution sorry)
<OscarL>
no need to push it again.
<bl4ze>
Okay, Thanks!
<bl4ze>
Will be careful next time.
<OscarL>
The Commit-Id can be added to the current changeset. But if you plan to push more changes...
<OscarL>
having that commit-hook working properly will make things simpler (in case you're asked to make further changes to your patches)
<bl4ze>
Yes I am able to add through gerrit, should I?
<OscarL>
it says "Change-Id: I6693b4c4c64d9e6559091bc2c90282db0f294561", yes, you could use the Gerrit Web UI and just add that as the last line of your commit message.
<bl4ze>
Yes, I'll add it!
<OscarL>
bl4ze: btw, don't feel sorry, we all learn all the time, and also... Gerrit is not particularly intuitive at first :-D
<OscarL>
(it gets easier with time... even dumb me managed to not screw things too much when sending small patches :-P)
<bl4ze>
Thanks a lot for helping me out! I feel excited and want to explore more about the Open source world:))
<bl4ze>
(irc was intimidating to me at first too lmao)
<OscarL>
bl4ze: I know the feeling... I used to get anxiety spikes when sending my first patches :-D. Now I'm: meh!
<bl4ze>
So cool:))
<OscarL>
"origin ssh://OscarL@git.haiku-os.org/haiku (push)" <<< that's where I push for sending my small changes.
<OscarL>
but for push, you need to use "git push origin HEAD:refs/for/master -o topic="something"
<OscarL>
(the `-o topic="whatever"` part is optional)
<bl4ze>
wait this contains git and not review.haiku-os.org
<bl4ze>
i wasnt able to push to the git one i guess
<OscarL>
bl4ze: small advice, make sure to use local branches instead of adding commit on master on your clone, it will make your life easier.
<OscarL>
bl4ze: maybe you hadn't setup your Gerrit account properly before?
<bl4ze>
maybe i got the error because it was already pushed. But it should say everything up to date.
<bl4ze>
OscarL: Thanks for the advice!
<OscarL>
if you had pushed more than once, without a working commit-hook, you would have ended up creating more than one "review" on gerrit. That's not the case, so... not sure.
<OscarL>
welp, not in your case, because you only had one local commit (not even ammended)
<bl4ze>
I think the steps are clear in my head now. Hoping it'll be smooth next time.
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<Skipp_OSX>
but do you have a Change-ID hook?
<Skipp_OSX>
do you have a Change-ID at the bottom of the commit?
<OscarL>
bl4ze: making your own notes might help. Specially since you're new... your input in what parts of the documentation are not clear enough (or outright confusing) can be very valuable.
<OscarL>
Skipp_OSX: he added it from the Web UI (for his current changeset).
<Skipp_OSX>
ok then he should have a Change-ID
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<OscarL>
Skipp_OSX: Gerrit addes one automatically even if you don't have the commit-hook.
<Skipp_OSX>
correct
<bl4ze>
change-id and commit-id is the same right? both has to start with 'I'
<OscarL>
but if you don't have the commit-hook, you end up making a mess if you push different commits :-D
<Skipp_OSX>
no
<OscarL>
bl4ze: Gerrit expects commits to have a line "Change-Id: xxxxxx".
<OscarL>
Depends on your skills and interest. But if you plan to work on GUI stuff, I would at least give it a quick read (thing I should do again :-D)
<bl4ze>
My interest lies in a variety of fields, Networking (I did a bit of socket programming), Graphics ,Security and a lot of other things. I'm open to exploring new fields too though:)
<bl4ze>
I will go through it, cant say its not interesting if I didnt try it yet lol
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<OscarL>
welp, in development of a full OS, plenty of different fields to be found, so hopefully you'll find something that matches your interests.
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