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<monthebiff>
Has anyone had any luck with the following steam titles: Left4Dead, Splinter Cell, Assassins Creed, Tomb Raider I, Mirrors Edge?
<monthebiff>
I installed them all just to see if they worked but I've not had much luck - left4dead suprised me given that its valve. 3 ubisoft titles in there that didnt get past the opening adverts.
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<monthebiff>
oh and then ninja gaiden, seemed to not be able to detect a bluetooth controller that was connected. think the game was hard checking for it during the intro fmvs and just throwing a blocker until it gets resolved.
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<tbodt>
has the new EU regulation for apple been discussed here? from a quick read it seems that it may be possible to use it to get them to produce hardware documentation:
<tbodt>
> To that end, Apple shall establish a program whereby any interested developer1 may
<tbodt>
which Apple shall produce a technical reference. This reference shall offer the
<tbodt>
submit a reasoned query (hereinafter referred to as “reference query”) in response to
<tbodt>
developer insight and details about the way iOS or iPadOS enables hardware and
<tbodt>
software features controlled via iOS or iPadOS for Apple’s and third-party hardware
<tbodt>
and services, including features (including their functionalities) that are currently
<tbodt>
reserved to Apple’s hardware and services.
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<chadmed>
this is not going to be particularly useful to us, also dont paste multiple lines into irc
<chadmed>
this does not really force them to "open source" anything. they will just do what MS does for the NT kernel and produce headers for private APIs and let developers pick up the pieces
<chadmed>
"insight into ways the software enables hardware features" will literally just be like "call disableDSMOS to disable DSMOS"
<chaos_princess>
I kinda wonder if it can be used to make them document the gpu ISA
<chadmed>
probably not since they already have a "documented" API for that via metal
<chaos_princess>
everything else is meh, whatever, we can figure out ourselves without _that_ much trouble
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<chadmed>
iirc this proposed directive is more about userspace APIs that apple make use of in their own software but do not allow third party developers to access
<chaos_princess>
I still think there are a few angles that one could try, but i would need to read the exact text of the directive in question
<chaos_princess>
like going via "we need isa docs to make a shader disassembler to debug gpu perf", or sth similar
<chadmed>
it specifically says "libraries, frameworks and daemons"
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<chaos_princess>
I think we should wait for them to publish the "list of frameworks" bit, and then go from there to see if we will get sth useful
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<chadmed>
yeah
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<rottenstonks>
Hello! Is this channel bridged to any other platform, or IRC only?
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<j`ey>
irc only
<j`ey>
there's a separate fedora asahi matrix
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<fl0_id>
afaik as this is somewhat within my day job first - the original DMA is a regulation. the linked document is more like an order or "proposed measures"
<fl0_id>
- you could try to get info that way, but not sure if that would work, as like others said, the intent is probably more to enable developers for addon devices. (and the order f.e. only covers ios and ipados)
<rottenstonks>
j`ey: thank God, haha, good to know. I had a bit of a "difficult" experience with someone in the Matrix room.
<rottenstonks>
Got an Asahi question but he immediately shut it down by saying, if you aren't running Asahi on a Mac, off-topic.
<rottenstonks>
I was like lol ok and left.
<rottenstonks>
probably happening the same here now? :P
<fl0_id>
there might be some way to provide feedback and ask for additional specifications, but for this order this prob only would cover ios/ipados - under the dma you could potentially ask an interoperabiltiy request separately
<fl0_id>
but that would be a separate request, independent of the current decision
<fl0_id>
if there commission would be aware, I think they have an actual interest to enable things like asahi, but prob they won't go out of their way as based on size etc addon developers etc are more important
<chaos_princess>
m1 is an overgrown iphone, so you can possibly indirectly info that would be useful
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<rottenstonks>
roger that.
<rottenstonks>
fl0_id: where could I direct the question or get live assistance by someone savvy about it?
<rottenstonks>
I don't want to run a script that is dsigned for macs on my HP notebook haha.
<rottenstonks>
j`ey: likely, yea.
<rottenstonks>
Thanks for linking me up!
<fl0_id>
chaos_princess yeah I know, just wanted to provide some context
<fl0_id>
and temper expectations haha
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<rottenstonks>
the script looks coolio tho.
<rottenstonks>
kind of get what it does, plus it is proper commented.
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<rottenstonks>
I guess I'll yolo the `.sh` script above if laptop keeps running out of memory in spite of the added swap file and that'll be the game plan for now. :D
<jannau>
the script is asahi specific. I don't telling you that your question is off topic is particularly rude. did you consider that maybe your expectations are the issue
<rottenstonks>
jannau: huh?
<j`ey>
I wouldnt run the script directly, but it may help
<jannau>
Please ask in generic fedora support channels
<rottenstonks>
What are "my expectations" according to you?
<rottenstonks>
Please don't assume other's expectations and kindly go fuck yourself. Thank you very much!
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<jannau>
qed
<jannau>
I'm not even sure if the x86 fedora workstation install uses zram
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<fl0_id>
jannau haha wow
<fl0_id>
qed for real
<chadmed>
"haha yeah one of the developers told me my question was off topic what a stupid piece of shit anyway let me ask the exact same question again and hope he's not here to tell me the same thing"
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<dylantaylor>
Running flatpaks shouldn't need a specific glibc version, right?
<chaos_princess>
Fexinterpreter and flatpaks do not mix (for now?)
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<chaos_princess>
if whatever you are trying to run as a flatpak ships an appimage, i would recommend trying that, those should work
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<dylantaylor>
I was trying to get gitkraken working. It has an RPM but I get package gitkraken-10.8.1-1.x86_64 from @commandline does not have a compatible architecture when trying to install that
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<dylantaylor>
When running the binary in the .tar.gz I get <jemalloc>: Unsupported system page size
<chaos_princess>
need to run that inside muvm
<dylantaylor>
Is the syntax just muvm <command>?
<dylantaylor>
I don't know how that would work if the files are on the local system
<chaos_princess>
just run `muvm bash`, and you will get a shell
<chaos_princess>
muvm shares the fs with the host system (not exactly, but close enough)
<dylantaylor>
oh that's awesome!
<dylantaylor>
Totally working
<dylantaylor>
Spoke too soon, it seems to be stuck at the loading screen
<dylantaylor>
Very close though
<dylantaylor>
seems to be failing to connect to something in the vm
<fl0_id>
I also reached out to ppl on the fsfe legal mailing list what they think (w/o mentioning asah)
<fl0_id>
*asahi
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<JamesB192>
TLDR: you have to be or be employed by an EU ADP member in "good" standing. All requests get CC'd to you (or your boss) and the Apple legal assault team can veto your request if you step an iota out of the EUs defined limits.
<JamesB192>
It's a sucker bet that getting you request rejected will hit your (employers) ADP standing.
* JamesB192
will shut up now.
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