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<mukul>
Hello folks. Potential volunteer here. I just joined the haiku-sysadmin list but cannot figure out how to email the list. Any help will be appreciated
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
Mail your queries at - haiku@freelists.org
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
Read the guides to help you draft your email
<nephele>
I didn't know we had a sysadmin list, where did you find that? :D
<Skipp_OSX>
Tracker should not prevent overlapping replicants
<andreasdr[m]>
Cocobean: Thank you!
<andreasdr[m]>
Ill save the link
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<nephele>
Skipp_OSX: Depends, I think. If it does not prevent this is every replicant expected to handle beeing intersected? What is the expected way here?
<nephele>
for example, the clock widget will redraw only parts of it, if you intersect it with the deskcalc replicant you will get severall drawing glitches
<Skipp_OSX>
then don't do that
<Skipp_OSX>
but it's up to you to place them where you want them to go
<Skipp_OSX>
and sometimes it is advantageous to overlap them
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
I just did it for fun tbh
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
was curious about what would happen
<nephele>
Skipp_OSX: it seems kind of wierd to allow behaviour we know is broken and then tell users to just not do that?
<Skipp_OSX>
nope not weird
<nephele>
How so? we usually explicitly don't include behaviour that is known broken :)
<Skipp_OSX>
and that is true in this case as well
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
I guess I will put that down as an issue and try to work on it whenever I can, right nephele Skipp_OSX
<nephele>
Skipp_OSX: If the behaviour of tracker was right then there has to be a defined way replicants have to deal with that
<nephele>
if it's just "Theres drawing glitches deal with it" then tracker should definitely not allow it
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<Skipp_OSX>
desktop sub-folders create on top of each other is a bug
<Skipp_OSX>
afaik it's always been like that or at least for a long long time
<Skipp_OSX>
but the replicant thing is just how it works, you manually place each just as you manually place windows on screen
<Skipp_OSX>
you're supposed to arrange them carefully how you want them
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<andreasdr[m]>
BTW: Saving my NAS worked!!! xfs utils / xfs_repair from Linux saved my day!!!
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<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] lonemadmax da632b2 - BeBook: fix CSS mime type
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<S1Nx81>
hi all, i have a few questions 1) should i use beta 4 or nightly images to install haiku 2) can i dual boot haiku with windows 11 and would there be instuctions for this some place ?
<waddlesplash>
1. probably beta 4 at the moment
<waddlesplash>
2. yes, you can. Depends on how your computer is set up. I dual-boot with Windows 10, but I installed rEFInd as a bootloader first, and there are extensive guides on how to do that
<waddlesplash>
Once you have rEFInd installed you can just put the Haiku EFI loader in your ESP and you are set, rEFInd picks it up automatically
<S1Nx81>
how do i put the Haiku EFI loader in the ESP ?
<waddlesplash>
you just copy it in. the ESP is a FAT partition
<waddlesplash>
but, try Haiku from a live stick first, and then install rEFInd using its own guides
<AlienSoldier>
That is what i was wondering the other , was is ESP standing for
<waddlesplash>
EFI System Partition
<AlienSoldier>
*the other day
<AlienSoldier>
*was = what
<AlienSoldier>
ok thanks
<S1Nx81>
i have tried booting from the stick on my system and all seems well
<waddlesplash>
then I recommend installing rEFInd as a bootloader
<S1Nx81>
i would be dual booting from a nvme
<waddlesplash>
and using that to dual-boot
<S1Nx81>
is there any known issues with that ?
<waddlesplash>
that's fine. my Ryzen box is dual-booted with both OSes installed on NVMe
<waddlesplash>
not anymore, the NVMe driver is very stable at this point, I don't know of any major issues tracked against it
<waddlesplash>
it had some growing pains in the beginning but those are resolved now, as far as I know
<waddlesplash>
(the nvme driver is mostly my work, plus third-party code)
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<S1Nx81>
i think i may install on to a small spare sata ssd for now actutly and chose to boot haiku from bios boot menu
<S1Nx81>
at least for now
<S1Nx81>
on that note... going to install
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<S1Nx81>
waddlesplash: tried to install on that small SSD and could not see it as a boot entry in bios, very strange so decided on the dual boot with reefind route instead
<S1Nx81>
how do i copy the haiku esp across ?
<S1Nx81>
i assume i do a normal install then once the files are copied copy the esp to the target drive ?
<S1Nx81>
hold that thought as i need to reboot to resize partions etc anyway.. brb
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<realTaraHarris>
Do shared libs go into ~/config/non-packaged/lib, and headers into ~/config/non-packaged/headers. I'm new to Haiku and I'm trying to get mimalloc to cleanly install; it currently fails because it tries to put it into /boot/system/lib
<realTaraHarris>
(whoops, I forgot to type the question mark)
<Skipp_OSX>
~/config/non-packaged/lib
<realTaraHarris>
thanks; what about the headers? should the makefile create a directory under ~/config/non-packaged/headers, too?
<realTaraHarris>
er, should it create the headers subdirectory?
<Skipp_OSX>
I forget
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<realTaraHarris>
thanks for confirming the first part!
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<waddlesplash>
realTaraHarris: headers go in develop/headers
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<waddlesplash>
also the compiler checks in develop/lib, you need a symlink of your .so from lib -> develop/lib in order for the linker to find them at compile time
<waddlesplash>
those paths apply everywhere: e.g. /system/develop/headers, /system/non-packaged/develop/headers, ~/config/develop/headers, ~/config/non-packaged/develop/headers etc.
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<jmairboeck>
waddlesplash: I tried building the official Tk 8.6.13 with Xlibe, just to be sure. The main window of wish is still just gray, so you were right that it would not work. However, I even got it only running with libroot_debug.so preloaded. Without it, it crashes in XGetWindowProperty - unknown_property - strdup - strlen.
<waddlesplash>
hmm
<waddlesplash>
that may be a difference vs. the older trunk of tk I have here
<waddlesplash>
what's the git commit of that version? I should probably try to upgrade
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<realTaraHarris>
hey thanks!
<Skipp_OSX>
that's it, I couldn't remember the develop part
<jmairboeck>
the stable release 8.6.13 from the tarball from sourceforge
<waddlesplash>
more complex apps fall over, but the stopwatch demo runs fine
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<jmairboeck>
without libroot_debug, it crashes the same as wish, with libroot_debug it works
<jmairboeck>
should I report an issue with a debug report?
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<waddlesplash>
the real question is why this is crashing in unknown property
<waddlesplash>
oh
<waddlesplash>
wait
<waddlesplash>
no I remember this
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<waddlesplash>
jmairboeck: tcl/tk stores XIDs (64bit ints) in a 32bit type
<waddlesplash>
the trunk builds (8.7) don't have this problem
<waddlesplash>
you have to manually patch 8.6 to get it to work
<HaikuUser>
so i did the thing and got haiku installed and dual booted
<HaikuUser>
nick S1Nx81
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<S1Nx81>
that was quick and easy tbh
<S1Nx81>
got refind set up, then resized my windows partition to make room for a haiku one, then installed haiku to it then work out how to copy the efi to esp
<S1Nx81>
there is no explict instuction for that last part, but i worked it out
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<S1Nx81>
i am not sure if this is the nick i was using before waddlesplash but i am the guy who was asking about dual boot etc before
<waddlesplash>
very good :)
<S1Nx81>
i am now in vision on the installed system
<S1Nx81>
back after a bit of bios tweaking for those fans
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<mukuld[m]>
Hello folks, I emailed yesterday to the haiku-sysadmin mailing list and have volunteered to take care of administration activities. I have not received any response. I was wondering how I can contribute.
<mukuld[m]>
I am also good with Python and any architecture stuff.
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<tidux>
win8linux[m]: My laptop has a Ryzen 5500U APU.
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<waddlesplash>
mukuld[m]: welcome!
<waddlesplash>
I saw your email and was going to reply but this works just as well
<waddlesplash>
mukuld[m]: I think we are OK for the time being on actual administration tasks, but if you want to help out with that, most of our infrastructure runs on Docker and you can set up instances of it locally to experiment with