<waddlesplash>
looks ok at first glance but I'm probably too tired to review effectively
<Skipp_OSX>
tldr; eat a click on selected items multi-select lists with no modifiers held down
<Skipp_OSX>
which is the case that is important so that you can then drag and drop a selection on the next click
<waddlesplash>
oh I see one logic error
<waddlesplash>
commented
<waddlesplash>
well, I'll take a closer look in the morning. you can CC x512[m] (X547) as well
<Skipp_OSX>
you're right that's an error
<Skipp_OSX>
it works because they are both true but I meant either or
<waddlesplash>
thanks for working on this though
<waddlesplash>
it looks frustrating :)
<win8linux[m]>
<PulkoMandy> "Ah, it wasn't you it was..." <- Yeah it was me who asked, just looking for an app to reference for drawing tablet/controller support.
<Skipp_OSX>
another difference between mouse up and mouse down
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<win8linux[m]>
Hmm, getting varied results on importing OS and POSIX headers from searching HaikuPorts?
<win8linux[m]>
s/?/./
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<win8linux[m]>
Some of them prepend with "<input/", "<sys/", etc. while others don't.
<andreasdr[m]>
x512 is trying to get the 3d ball rolling. He had some successes already.
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<lebrancess[m]>
andreasdr[m]: But with Nvidia or not ?
<Begasus>
some work has been done on DRI in the past also, no finished thing there yet (afaik)
<andreasdr[m]>
With his current work he is trying to get NVIDIA 2080 or similar and newer generations to work as NVIDIA has released a portable open source kernel module. Plus he wants to connect that with userland part of NOUVEAU (Shader compiling ...). Experiments on Linux show that this could work.
<andreasdr[m]>
He is just one person and cant port NEAVUAU, RADEON, AMDGPU, INTEL... working.
<andreasdr[m]>
Just too much work currently.
<andreasdr[m]>
He is looking for more feasible ways to get DRM working.
<andreasdr[m]>
Ill quiet down now, ask him on your own, if you like.
<Begasus>
;)
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<lebrancess[m]>
<andreasdr[m]> "With his current work he is..." <- > <@andreasdr:matrix.org> With his current work he is trying to get NVIDIA 2080 or similar and newer generations to work as NVIDIA has released a portable open source kernel module. Plus he wants to connect that with userland part of NOUVEAU (Shader compiling ...). Experiments on Linux show that this could work.
<lebrancess[m]>
Buy more workers !
<lebrancess[m]>
> He is just one person and cant port NEAVUAU, RADEON, AMDGPU, INTEL... working.
<lebrancess[m]>
😅
<andreasdr[m]>
Haha. Sure. If you like to pay them :DDD
<andreasdr[m]>
Seriously you can support Haiku OS with donations.
<Begasus>
tss andreasdr[m] "Haiku"! :P
<andreasdr[m]>
????
<andreasdr[m]>
:DDD
<Begasus>
not "Haiku OS" :P
<andreasdr[m]>
Oh I see. Damn. Stupid me.
<Begasus>
common one :)
<andreasdr[m]>
I see :DDD
<andreasdr[m]>
But seriously, also for more developers. Its super hard to get full DRM working in an alternative OS. You can see that e.g. with FreeBSD/NetBSD.
<andreasdr[m]>
I am also poor currently as fuck, but did spend some money on x512 while I was working last time. If Ill work again, I might sponsor x512 again.
<andreasdr[m]>
But sure, you cant spend money that you dont have.
<Begasus>
+1
<Begasus>
knowlidge is a rich thing also andreasdr[m], wish I had more of that :)
<andreasdr[m]>
Sure.
<jmairboeck>
nice Begasus!
<jmairboeck>
there was some forum thread about a decent modern e-mail client I think. It isn't exactly a small one and has quite a few dependencies, but it is good.
<Begasus>
akonadi still has issues, account wizard fails in the end adding one ... there is where knowlidge would be handy :)
<lebrancess[m]>
<andreasdr[m]> "I am also poor currently as fuck..." <- Just don't do party on New Year work day and night till Monday, so I get a running driver on Monday :3
<andreasdr[m]>
Sure let us know when you are finished :DDD
<lebrancess[m]>
Nono you😎
<lebrancess[m]>
Im no dev
<jmairboeck>
Begasus: I'm also just a user (on Linux), I don't know these things good enough
<andreasdr[m]>
Oh. I am not into driver development right now, and driver development for graphics boards with 3d acceleration is maybe peek driver development.
<andreasdr[m]>
I meant peak
<andreasdr[m]>
:DD
<andreasdr[m]>
:DDD
<lebrancess[m]>
andreasdr[m]: I have an idea you all just connect today in discord
<lebrancess[m]>
Or in something else to team chat
<lebrancess[m]>
Then you get mesa running
<lebrancess[m]>
All together
<lebrancess[m]>
Hackathon
<Begasus>
mesa is running already
<lebrancess[m]>
Begasus: Ment 3d acceleration
<lebrancess[m]>
Begasus: Isn't mesa 3d acceleration + Radeon Vulkan?
<lebrancess[m]>
Idk
<lebrancess[m]>
Im just a noob
<Begasus>
same here, I can't even code "Hello World!" without a tutorial (still) :P
<lebrancess[m]>
Begasus: #include <studio.h> int main(void){ printf("hello");} should be like this
<andreasdr[m]>
We know.
<andreasdr[m]>
So now you just need to learn 3d acceleration driver development and jump into Haiku kernel hacking :DDD
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<lebrancess[m]>
andreasdr[m]: I have no time I am a student
<lebrancess[m]>
😟
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<Begasus>
heh
<Begasus>
k, should create a recipe for kmail ...
<lebrancess[m]>
Begasus: No for 3d mesa
<Begasus>
can only do third party things lebrancess[m] :) (and some fail too) :P
<lebrancess[m]>
I'm guessing that it is but I am not sur
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<cocobean>
lebrancess: yes.
<lebrancess[m]>
Nooo cocobean: that is bad
<lebrancess[m]>
😞
<cocobean>
No, for mesa 3d hardware acceleration running on Haiku (by default).
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<Begasus>
quick visit :)
<andreaa72>
hi
<andreaa72>
:)
<Begasus>
hi andreaa72
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<andreaa72>
peace, peace, peace ... :)
<olig>
anyone use Genio ide. every time i restart computer i lose all settings eg Editor style etc. even when i select defaults. all default settings are missing and cant select Editor style etc.
<andreaa72>
peace to everybody ...
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<Begasus>
OliG, I've added to the packages, not really a user there though
<Begasus>
maybe you can launch it in Terminal ans see if you can get some more information there when saving the settings?
<olig>
i know reinstalling the program solves it but dont want to do that everytime
<Begasus>
oh, it's Genio, not Geany ... my bad there
<olig>
no prob, ill dig deaper and try to figure out whats going on
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<andreaa72>
lebrancess[m] : love to you
<zdykstra>
Begasus: that's a lot of deps, heh
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<olig>
ok guys an update on my issues with Genio. lauch program from /boot/system/apps/Genio it works perfectly. launch program from desktop. program loses all settings stored.
<andreaa72>
OliG : maybe it don't find config in desktop
<olig>
config/settings/Genio is there as expected i make a backup of it just incase when i last had to reinstall it
<lebrancess[m]>
<andreaa72> "lebrancess : love to you" <- Thanks, hate for you for no mesa 😡👹
<lebrancess[m]>
Aka hardware acceleration 🥰
<Begasus>
zdykstra, most of the KPIM5 ones not in the depot :)
<Begasus>
but .. progress with kmail installed in the proper directories :D
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<andreaa72>
lebrancess[m] xD
<lebrancess[m]>
Man I get cancer being on bad operating systems mesa has to work now on haiku
<lebrancess[m]>
As if there is no possibility to hack mesa to haiku
<lebrancess[m]>
🫥
<lebrancess[m]>
Gonna wash my eyes with acetone
<andreaa72>
nvidia in italian (invidia) = envy
<lebrancess[m]>
andreaa72: Haiku exist since 2001 and nobody cared so far about hardware acceleration
<lebrancess[m]>
Will probably never happen
<andreaa72>
lebrancess[m] hardware acceleration -> electron speed
<olig>
is hardware acceleration needed for duel monitor support
<lebrancess[m]>
andreaa72: What is that
<andreaa72>
software speed is slower than hardware
<lebrancess[m]>
OliG: For 3d game playing
<Begasus>
don't think so OliG
<olig>
so 2 or 3 monitors via gpu card will work via vesa?
<Begasus>
yeah, some screenshots are at the forum, but you have to be one of the lucky ones :)
<olig>
custom bios?
<andreaa72>
lebrancess[m] hardware acceleration -> electron speed -> 3D ok ... 2D dunno if it is needed
<lebrancess[m]>
Can I try vesa on arch Linux?
<kallisti5[m]>
nomodeset kernel arg
<kallisti5[m]>
though that might be a bit extreme... I think that will result in zero mode setting and leave you at the terminal mode the bios puts you in
<lebrancess[m]>
kallisti5[m]: Who were you talking to sir
<kallisti5[m]>
you
<Begasus>
lebrancess[m], maybe you can ask in the Arch channel :P
<lebrancess[m]>
Oh so I can write nomodeset kernel in console and that will bring me in vesa mode ?
<andreaa72>
cu tomorrow ... cheers
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<kallisti5[m]>
lebrancess: it'll disable all KMS (kernel mode setting). Essentially leaving you in the video mode the bios sets. If EFI booted it should be the native resolution of your display
<kallisti5[m]>
EFI made vesa kinda fuzzy. You get a framebuffer from EFI, and if your EFI bios doesn't have legacy bios services, you don't get VESA at all which is neat
<lebrancess[m]>
And this will be equivalent to haiku?
<kallisti5[m]>
eeeeehhh.. probably as close as you can get
<lebrancess[m]>
but it seems to render everything good
<kallisti5[m]>
probably. llvmpipe works well on more powerful CPU's
<kallisti5[m]>
your CPU is likely running 100% though
<kallisti5[m]>
llvmpipe is how we can brute force OpenGL rendering today in Haiku. Not very efficient
<Begasus>
biab
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<lebrancess[m]>
doesnt it run on my gpu ?
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<lebrancess[m]>
cpu still runs at 300 percent
<lebrancess[m]>
I think the command did not work on launch options
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<win8linux[m]>
Quick question, did Falkon ever work with native notifications in the past?
<win8linux[m]>
Asking since it doesn't right now, necessitating switching to OSD notifications.
<lebrancess[m]>
yeah it definitelly doesnt work with haiku kallisti5
<lebrancess[m]>
xD
<lebrancess[m]>
it worked like garbague
<Begasus>
looks like I'm still missing some stuff :)
<lebrancess[m]>
kallisti5: is there a way to make it equivalent as if mesa would use my gpu on haiku?
<Begasus>
KF5KIO could not be found because dependency KF5Config could not be found .... needs fixing ... (again)
<lebrancess[m]>
why people tell me to try cs2 on haiku
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<win8linux[m]>
Trolled
<Begasus>
;)
<olig>
lol
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<olig>
openarena works out of the box. need a good cpu though
<andreaa72>
lebrancess[m] : we need 3dstudiomax for haiku + real time rrendering with 3dfx hardware acc
<andreaa72>
+ autocad 3d modeling
<andreaa72>
cu
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<lebrancess[m]>
where are the devs on haiiku
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<x512[m]>
Haiku EFI boot loader don't see Haiku volume on NVMe disk if LiveUSB is not connected. Why???
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<olig>
for NVMe i had to create 2 partitions the be and the fat32 then copy all data from usb to fat32 partition.
<olig>
haiku esp think it was called
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<x512[m]>
FAT32 ESP partition with Haiku EFI boot loader is created and EFI boot loader starts, but it fail to find Haiku volume on the same physical disk if LiveUSB is not connected.
<scanty>
see what a little bit of reading documentation can do....
<scanty>
not trying to be rude.
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<Begasus>
scanty, it builds, still something with the akonadi backend :)
<scanty>
Begasus, gotcha, do you know if it works with gmail?
<Begasus>
haven't gotten that far, the accountwizard fails in the end
<scanty>
ah okay.
<scanty>
let us know!
<lebrancess[m]>
The mouse speed on haiku feels sus
<lebrancess[m]>
🤣
<scanty>
sus?
<scanty>
Begasus, looks like some KDE services provider, but i'm sure you already know that
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<Begasus>
yeah, did kdav earlier, needed for kdepim_runtime (that provides the services (or should)) :)
<scanty>
nice.
<Begasus>
ps scanty, this is all with 5.112.0 frameworks, not the 5.93.0 in the depot, so I'm not sure it would work there :)
<scanty>
I hope so
<scanty>
ihope it will work, i mean
<Begasus>
will have to add frameworks and libraries for 5.93.0 for that to check :)
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<Begasus>
but there should be some working Email clients on Haiku already, just poking around with this (not even sure it ends up into something usefull) :P
<scanty>
the problem with gmail is oauth2
<scanty>
yahoo, too, i believe
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<Begasus>
k, strolling down build dependencies ...
<Begasus>
heh, by the time I get this working I think 3dEyes already migrated to KF6 :D
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<olig>
i had a major problem today with desktop icons. Trying to copy binarys to the desktop i copyed by mistake instead of creating a symlink. the thing is there is no way do differenciate between a binary and a link on the desktop
<augiedoggie>
links have a stippled underline
<olig>
dam i see it now. its just not apparent
<augiedoggie>
yeah, it can be hidden depending on your wallpaper
<augiedoggie>
s/hidden/hard to see/
<olig>
go back to solid color for now lol
<waddlesplash>
this may be a case where we should add some sort of warning so that binaries don't get copied...
<waddlesplash>
seems to happen not infrequently
<waddlesplash>
feel free to open a ticket
<scanty>
it will also show up in different colour in terminal, assuming you have ls with colour.
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] da4dbfa47a47 - API docs: document KernelExport.h and overview of synchronization primitives.
<olig>
i think the big problem is the menu bar when someone installs a program they will try to copy the binary to the desktop but will end up copying the binary
<waddlesplash>
ah, is this a Deskbar problem not a Tracker problem?
<lebrancess[m]>
<lebrancess[m]> "Hardware acceleration and steam" <- These both working and I would consider using haiku as my daily drive and work with bugs 🤣
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<lebrancess[m]>
ok mmaybe I will install it on my laptop
<lebrancess[m]>
but
<lebrancess[m]>
the thing is I barely use my laptop
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