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<Begasus> morning peeps
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<|cos|> How are locales best configured under Haiku? I realize that's primarily done by the gui, but when ssh:ing into other systems $LANG and $LC_* are still used. Do they matter at all on Haiku, or should one just set them to C and C.UTF-8?
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<Begasus> no idea here, but had one failing test yesterday for kcontacts translating
<Begasus> not sure it comes from Haiku/Qt or ki18n ...
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<Begasus> 20 to go ...
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<Anarchos> hello
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<Anarchos> Begasus: are you up ?
<Begasus> nope
<Begasus> :)
<Begasus> morning Anarchos, what's up?
<Anarchos> Begasus: accelerometer is working on haiku :)
<Begasus> screenie? :)
<Anarchos> Begasus: not yet, i did it this weekend
<Anarchos> Begasus: i jsut copied/adapted the linux tdriver
<Anarchos> Begasus: i was surprised how our code for acpi driver is common
<Begasus> Anarchos, doesn't always have to be hard :)
<Begasus> diver, you up? :)
<Anarchos> Begasus: now i am looking for a best way to exploit it : i need to do a preferences gui (cause there are two parameters to tweak it), and a little demo to see it in action (maybe a 3d vizualization, and a link to the hdd driver to park heads )
<Begasus> diver, upstreamed some of the work you already did on the KDE frameworks, added you as Co-authored-by :)
<Begasus> still quite a task to do Anarchos
<Anarchos> Begasus: by the way it is not high on my priority list, so i will just do a blog article maybe...
<Begasus> +1
<Begasus> checking if kdnssd6 doesn't provide a test case ...
<Begasus> nope
<Begasus> 16 to go :)
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<nephele_xmpp> |cos|: Native apps can querry locale settings directly (and this is nicer compared to env vars because of live updates)
<nephele_xmpp> But LC_ and such are used regardless for commandline tools for example
<phschafft> I would specifically also point out the case of many ported software.
<nephele_xmpp> also: Haiku does *NOT* have C or C.UTF-8 but rather the equivalent locale POSIX
<phschafft> one of the odd things.
<Anarchos> nephele_xmpp: i remember i used LC_ALL=C to compile OCaml
<nephele_xmpp> In your own apps set this if you need the result of some locale aware posix apis to be deterministic.
<nephele_xmpp> Other than that for normal system operation just set the stuff in locale preferences. Apps that use the env vars will also get that info (once they are restarted)
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<nephele_xmpp> or in Terminals case once terminal is restarted or you manually source the start script again
* phschafft wonders about magic environs.
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<JackDaniel> Hi guys! Due to the fact that Haiku its unique regarding graphic interface design, I have an old and useful ideea regarding user-terminal human interaction. I use a lot terminal for doing stuff and a think a nice feature will be to move the terminal cursor at the mouse clicks, because if you want to change a parameter in a long list (let's say on a 5 or 10 rows), you should use left arrow to jump at some point. I wonder what's your
<JackDaniel> opinion about that, or how difficult is to implement this. Thanks!
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<JackDaniel> I think we can skip the old ideea to press the left arrow button for 1-2 minutes to go back to some parameter from a row.
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<JackDaniel> I know I cannot make such a proposal for Linux or BSD people, because they are stucked with some things. Thats why I wrote about it here.
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<JackDaniel> I'm just curious what do you think about that.
<Begasus[m]> Like the idea too JackDaniel but that's up to the main devs :)
<JackDaniel> Yup. Who can be contacted for that kind of stuff? I mean, where can I say about this feature?
<Begasus> maybe raise a voice for it at the topic
<coolcoder613> Maybe shift+click or something to keep compatibility.
<Begasus> the main dev's are in the channel, so they will read it already, but can't hurt
<Begasus> could be a ticket at the bugtracker already also, didn't check
<JackDaniel> ok, I'll do that. Thanks for the tip with shift+click!
<JackDaniel> yup, I will fill a ticket for that too
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<Begasus> some manual cmake cmd in Terminal can be a pain if you need to change something in the beginning :)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/68aaaa4fd35c...58c39068210e
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 58c3906 - openexr3.2, revbump, add requirement for devel:libdeflate (#11326)
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<Begasus> bugger ... fork needs cleaning again :)
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<Begasus> who pulled the plug? :)
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<Begasus[m]> plop
<Begasus> back :)
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<Anarchos> Begasus[m]: not for long :)
<Begasus[m]> Need to reboot the VM after a while building/cleaning, starting fresh :)
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<Begasus> RAM free again :)
<Begasus> 10 to go :)
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<Anarchos> Begasus: i find it so cool being again the first in the world to have some thing running on Haiku (this time, an accelerometer) :)
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<Begasus> everry step is a nice one Anarchos :)
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<|cos|> nephele_xmpp: Thanks for your insightful answer, and thanks Anarchos for your datapoint on OCaml behaving as one should expect of an esoteric functional language parallell universe! (:
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<Anarchos> |cos|: ??
<Anarchos> |cos|: I do'nt get your point ; moreover i won' qualify a double SIGPLAN awarded language as esoteric!
<Anarchos> https://www.sigplan.org/Awards/Software/ OCaml 2023, Compcert 2022, Coq 2013)
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<Begasus[m]> getting distracted again ....
<|cos|> Anarchos: I'm sure OCaml, Haskell and Erlang are all great languages! They are uncommonly used as system programming languages though, even if exceptions do exist. Being rare and qualititive are different properties..
<|cos|> Anarchos: Their primary focus isn't stuff like locales, and I'm not surprised if one needs to set $LC_* to C rather than POSIX.
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<|cos|> Anarchos: ...the important part of the message was the word "thanks".
<Anarchos> |cos|: no trouble, i got the important part :)
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<thefoxcry[m]> Small question: why include BeBook in default install, not Haiku Book? BeOS R5's API and Haiku's API is not exactly same, "Application Level API Incompatibilities with BeOS" article in Haiku's API docs have more information about this.
<Anarchos> thefoxcry[m]: you mean the Bookmark in WebPositive ?
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<thefoxcry[m]> Anarchos: I mean shortcut "BeBook" on desktop, but might be bookmark too.
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<Anarchos> thefoxcry[m]: can't remember such Desktop link so can't help sorry
<Begasus[m]> He's still alive! :D
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<Anarchos> Begasus[m]: who ?
<Skipp_OSX> bc Haiku Book is still incomplete
<thefoxcry[m]> Skipp_OSX: Thanks for answer!
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<mbrumbelow> Hey, can we add Paladin to the "Featured packages" tab in Haiku Depot?
<mbrumbelow> Who handles that type of request?
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<Begasus> mbrumbelow, there is a topic for that at the forum
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<Anarchos> hello
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<NaGERST> howdy friends
<NaGERST> Does anyone know if there is any progress on sound over hdmi? i feel like i am repeating myself, but yeah, i come in every six months and ask the same question. Hdmi does not allow splitting.
<NaGERST> i cant go back to dragging analogue cables around the entire house again...
<NaGERST> Maybe if a built a new house though....
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<PulkoMandy> no progress on that I think
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<anarchos1> i think the haiku boot loader erased grub. Is it a mean to render my ubuntu (on the 1st partition, haiku is on 2nd) bootable again while keeping the haiku bootloader (because i find it so nice) ?
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<Anarchos> i wonder if haiku boot loader is able to boot grub ...
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