<Begasus>
so far kitinerary and itinerary only use it (well and marknote, but that hasn't been touched)
<Begasus>
ah no, Itinerary is still good, had multiple versions for a few packages installed
<Begasus>
k, going to install a clean Haiku in VM, checking there ...
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<Begasus[m]>
Doing a base install with full-sync, then clone and checkout :)
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<Begasus>
missing dep on kirigami6
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<Begasus>
Hi OscarL!
<OscarL>
Hey there Begasus!
<OscarL>
After a few more days of network (and PSU) issues... managed to update my nightly installs. 64 bits from hrev58344, and 32 bits from hrev58289, both to hrev58367.
<Begasus>
+1 uptodate too then :)
<OscarL>
Both show lower RAM usage right after boot. Quite more notable on the 64 bits one.
<OscarL>
Was a bit surprised, as I wasn't expecting that going from 58344 to 58367. In any case... way to go waddlesplash! :-)
* OscarL
also sends some well deserved (and belated) kudos to tktech for notifico (RIP).
<Begasus>
we're gonna miss it
<OscarL>
indeed.
<Begasus>
no more flooding the channel :)
<OscarL>
well, for flooding... just wait for me to get a bit maniac again :-)
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<Begasus>
yeah, been quiet when you're not around :)
<OscarL>
(noticed a few "slow days" while I was off... mmm)
<OscarL>
:-D
<Begasus>
only had MonniTheCat to argue with :P
<Begasus>
ok, this is weird, kirigami is not linked to itinerary here, but on that clean install it complained it can't find org.kirigami.*
<MonniTheCat>
Begasus: I don't argue with people... I just point out bugs and potential failure points. I know how buggy Haiku and HaikuPorter is... Some bugs get fixed really fast, some take 15+ years to fix...😂
<Begasus>
hmm ... actually makes sense I think, doesn't link to the library but requires the qml files
<Begasus>
the argument is that you got weird setups MonniTheCat :P
<MonniTheCat>
Begasus: That's just a fact...😂
<Begasus>
so far I didn't see a bug here, faulty packaged maybe, but in this case not something haikuporter can detect
<Begasus>
think I should add the kirigami requirement to kirigami_addons
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* OscarL
naively tries to uninstall llvm12_libs (given that llvm18 and even 19 are available), only to quickly backtrack from that.
<OscarL>
llvm12 starting to feel like Python 2.7 :-)
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<MonniTheCat>
<Begasus> "so far I didn't see a bug here..." <- Worst bugs are the ones that depend on time of day or happen with only one architecture... Like I said, that issue was likely from recipe not pinning to correct libVersion and assuming package is already rebuilt.
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<Begasus>
still missing something ...
<Begasus>
ow?
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<MonniTheCat>
<OscarL> "llvm12 starting to feel like..." <- Python 2.7 is still needed on other operating systems too... same with gcc 6.5 on Linux and gcc 2.x on 32-bit Haiku... Can't just randomly decide that newer compiler or interpreter version works...
<OscarL>
I can at least try to help move things to newer ones though :-)
<MonniTheCat>
I got random crashes when I tried to use gcc 7.5 or gcc 8 on our company's server... Newer isn't always better when hardware is old...
<OscarL>
Web+ fails to open local files if path contains '™' in it. Seems it tries to replace it with %FFFF%FFFF%FFFF :-D
<phschafft>
WTF-16 ;)
<MonniTheCat>
Maybe it doesn't recognize the character set or encoding... Not all software can handle UTF-8...
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<OscarL>
path is in BFS volume, I would expect it to handle UTF-8 just fine :-P
<MonniTheCat>
OscarL: Characters allowed in local and remote URLs is quite limited...
<phschafft>
are they?
<OscarL>
Problem is with the name of a local folder.
<OscarL>
Some old BeOS package, when installed, installs as "Component X™", and then you can't open its docs.
<MonniTheCat>
%FFFF sound like placeholder character, it's not valid Unicode codepoint...
<OscarL>
yeah, some conversion is clearly going haywire. Tried replacing it with %e2%84%a2, still no go.
<MonniTheCat>
Browsers are only required to support character codes 33-127...
<Begasus[m]>
bugger, rc1 is out for gear24 :P
<OscarL>
internationalization in URIs is a thing.
<MonniTheCat>
Even space (character code 32) is not supported... it's encoded as %20 as many people know already...
<Begasus>
just use konqueror? :)
<MonniTheCat>
OscarL: Internationalization isn't same as Unicode or UTF-8...
<MonniTheCat>
URLs use IDN, not Unicode...
<MonniTheCat>
This means 0x80-0xFF is undefined...
<phschafft>
note that %FFFF is not even a character. it is three characzers.
<Begasus>
at the cookies again phschafft?
<MonniTheCat>
bbl... Need to go pick up my new phone ;)
<OscarL>
phschafft: notice that I got 3 %FFFF in my original issue (so it converted each byte of the UTF-8 into FFFF instead of the proper value, it seems.
<phschafft>
OscarL: yes. but that you get %FFFF means that there is a bigger problem at hand.
<phschafft>
like it trying to do some thing like using -1 as input
<phschafft>
and the code is not sign safe.
* phschafft
psssst to Begasus.
* OscarL
wishes CharacterMap had a "search by character name" function.
<phschafft>
last time I had used it it was kind of limited compared to the gnome one. which I feel is already limited.
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<OscarL>
Replaced the TM with (R)... now I got "%FFFF%FFFF", so it seems that is indeed trying to "encode" the utf-8 bytes, and failing hard :-)
* phschafft
nods.
<phschafft>
but again, sounds like two bugs to me. one in translating it to UTF-8, and one in the code point encoding code.
<OscarL>
in any case, manually replacing the bytes for the correct ones, still cannot open the file so... it is a double-stack bug-burger.
<phschafft>
(the first making it something ....FFFF and the second one allowing for values outside 0 <= x <= 2^8-1 being encoded)
<OscarL>
wait... it worked with "%c2%ae" replacing (R)
* phschafft
nods.
* OscarL
retries with the proper bytes for TM
<OscarL>
works too (I must have mistyped it earlier)
<OscarL>
time to file a ticket, before I forget.
<phschafft>
OscarL++
<phschafft>
thanks for figuring it out. I mean this structured input is really helpful to anyone who is actually working the ticket in the end.
<OscarL>
phschafft: np :-) (I used to be a really nosy tester in my days :-P)
<Begasus[m]>
figures :P
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: that, and bugs loves me. FML :-(
<Begasus[m]>
bugmagnetation? ;)
* Begasus[m]
has animal magnitism from the Scorpions in his mind now
<OscarL>
Here people say "you have sweet blood" if you're a mosquito-magnet, for example. My brother laughs because I'm pretty dry (not sweet at all) IRL :-D
<OscarL>
the joke is that I'm a giant mosquito magnet :-(
<Begasus[m]>
still got that one on LP :)
<Begasus[m]>
ah, I'm better of then :)
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<Begasus[m]>
bugger, still 2 missing deps on itinerary, but launches now with them installed on the clean Haiku :)
<Begasus[m]>
One of those things you can't catch with haikuporter
<OscarL>
"plugins/addons" or .so not under /lib?
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<OscarL>
maybe there should be a way to "point" HaikuPorter on where to look for additional "depenency checks".
<OscarL>
(should be easier than trying to make it work for all cases)
<Begasus[m]>
in this cases related to the qml files, paths for those are quite deep
<Begasus[m]>
think it would be hard to detect missing deps on those with hp
<Begasus[m]>
like those missing modules on the python packages
<OscarL>
ah, yeah, if its for data files... kinda untractable.
<Begasus[m]>
right
<OscarL>
I was just thinking about the simpler case of searching for NEEDED on binaries :-)
<Begasus[m]>
maybe SUPPLEMENTS could be used?
<Begasus[m]>
biab
* OscarL
already dislikes that SUPPLEMENTS that causes openssl3_man to get installed for no purpose.
<OscarL>
I should file a ticket for that one too. One of these days.
<Begasus[m]>
that's a bit different, as it isn't a runtime requirement I think*
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<Begasus[m]>
k Itinerary good now :)
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<Guest1473>
Morning y'all, Made a bit more progress on getting The HDMI on the Dell Vostro to work, It still only outputs 1080i but it's not rolling anymore
<Guest1473>
damn it loggeed out
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<Yoke>
There we go, loggeed back in now
<OscarL>
Yoke: I guess you have already tried changing the resolution/refrash-rate via the "Screen" preference app?
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<Yoke>
yep, gonna try it now on another monitor I have that has HDMI in
<Yoke>
The highest res it gave me was 1920x540
<OscarL>
My TV/Monitor has 2 HDMI inputs, and only one works properly for PC output (the other one has some weird filtering that looks like crap, and you can't disable :-D)
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<Yoke>
Just tested it on my other monitor, full 1920x1080 image without safe grapgics
<Yoke>
just a quirk with the monitor I'm using then
<OscarL>
If you're using the intel_extreme driver (assuming you have an Intel iGPU there), you might want to try forcing the VESA driver, and see if that gives you better/different results (power on the machine with the HDMI cable already plugged in, for better results)
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<Yoke>
I could try that, but honestly I may just take this as an opportunity to upgrade my main monitor, it's getting a bit long in the tooth now
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<Yoke>
I mean it's like a 12 year old BenQ monitor
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<Begasus>
re
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<MonniTheCat>
poof
<tktech>
Begasus, OscarL: Thanks for using it for all these years! :)
<tktech>
This reminds me to finish Haiku support in SMARTie...all the interfaces are there now...
<OscarL>
Oh, SMARTie sounds really cool! :-)
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<Begasus[m]>
+1 tktech!
<Begasus[m]>
tktech feels like loosing atrus in BeShare :)
<B2IA>
(BrunoSpr) hi all
<zard>
Hello!
<Begasus>
hi bruno zard
<B2IA>
(BrunoSpr) nice
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