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<zdykstra> Hah
<augiedoggie_> the man package has a supplements entry for some reason
<OscarL> why that makes it a "requirement" for locally installed packages, beats me.
<OscarL> but thanks for the reminder about that supplements, augiedoggie_. Will file a ticket about this eventually.
* OscarL is glad he found ".git/info/exclude", so he can ignore his .x86_64/.x86_32 "OUTPUT_DIRECTORY"s on the "combined" haikuports clone.
<OscarL> that "SUPPLEMENTS_man" seems to have been there at least since 2017. I didn't had this issues on beta4, so I guess it became an issue after libsolv got "vendored in"?
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<HaikuUser3> yoo where the weed at
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 2 commits to master [hrev58293] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=4ec199c6dc00+%5E30be30f25de2
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 7ee61327ce4b - sys/select.h: Cleanup.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 4ec199c6dc00 - kernel/events: Allow numFDs greater than max FDs in select().
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<Begasus> morning peeps
<janking> morning
<Begasus[m]> morning janking
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/69eb93e315f3...797c7e812a19
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 797c7e8 - cbindgen, add new version (#11290)
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<MonniTheCat> morning Begasus
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<Begasus[m]> morning Mika Lindqvist :-
<Begasus[m]> :) *
<MonniTheCat> :~
<Begasus> weird, on IRC your nick shows different then in the matrix :P
<MonniTheCat> Yes, it does...
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<MonniTheCat> Begasus: You can change the nick in bridge settings...
<Begasus> I'm fine with my nick :)
<MonniTheCat> I just keep them unique, when I'm using Thunderbird, Element and Vision at the same time...
<MonniTheCat> bbl... gotta go to grocery shop soon...
<Begasus[m]> 32bit anyboot/netboot build still fine
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/797c7e812a19...26f00871feaf
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] SpartanJ 26f0087 - ecode: Bump to 0.6.2 (#11297)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/26f00871feaf...1ca81fca23ff
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL 1ca81fc - vmware_addons: update to latest srcGitRev. (#11293)
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] autocommitter pushed 1 commit to master [hrev58294] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=592a3b6921f1+%5E4ec199c6dc00
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 592a3b6921f1 - Update translations from Pootle
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<Begasus> k, enough playing with NymphCast etall :P
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-3/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/1ca81fca23ff...7a69719cc206
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] kenmays 7a69719 - fish: bump to 3.7.1 (#11249)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/7a69719cc206...a83f62de5b47
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] hnm-duncan a83f62d - Updated hikounomizu to 1.1 (#11184)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/a83f62de5b47...5cfb8169f8d7
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 5cfb816 - syncterm, new recipe (#11236)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/5cfb8169f8d7...f931c4f1904e
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Peppersawce f931c4f - Trting to fix buildmaster build (#11251)
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<cocobean> begasus: Howdy... libssh2?? Good?
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<Begasus> lgtm cocobean
<Begasus> got it installed, so looking to see if all is good with it running
<cocobean> :)
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<cocobean> On Krita, is something is missing... let me know...
<Begasus> don't know, haven't checked :P
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<Begasus> building skrooge again (after losing my recipe for it) :/
<Begasus> afk for a bit
<Begasus[m]> cocobean this is the only MR upstream for Krita: https://invent.kde.org/graphics/krita/-/merge_requests/2099/diffs
<Begasus[m]> should be checked against the patchset from 3dEyes
<cocobean> I went through the old patchset again.... seems they approved and merged those patches.
<cocobean> Everything seems there.
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<cocobean> Check with 3Deyes though.
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<Begasus[m]> I'm not the one that needs to do his homework :)
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<Begasus> but did, patches are the same, so that's OK
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<Begasus> good thing I still have the kde-apps directory backed up :)
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<MonniTheCat> Gotta love having no electricity since morning... first ever hurricane in over 100 years reported up here...
<Begasus> keep safe!
<Begasus> OK! :) grabbing skrooge-2.33.0-1-x86_64.hpkg and moving it to /Share/haikuports/packages/skrooge-2.33.0-1-x86_64.hpkg
<MonniTheCat> <Begasus> "keep safe!" <- My parents have had no electricity since yesterday evening... It was fun making food with wood oven...
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<Guilherme[m]> Hello, everyone! I'm trying to create an account on Kaiku, but I'm having trouble.
<Guilherme[m]> I tried entering several answers to the question "What is the name of the operating system?", including "Kaiku OS", "BeOS", "OpenBeOS" and "haiku", but none of them worked. I've already checked that there's no CAPTCHA and I don't know what else to try.
<Guilherme[m]> Can anyone help me with this? Thanks!
<Begasus> Kaiku?
<Begasus> You know the OS is called "Haiku" right?
<Guilherme[m]> Yes
<Begasus> So I guess you need to fill in "Haiku" then
<Begasus> Not "Kaniku" (first time I've seen this)
<Begasus> s/Kaniku/Kaiku ...
<Begasus> OscarL around? :)
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<Begasus> You still used "Kaiku"?
<Guilherme[m]> Yes
<MonniTheCat> First letter is incorrect...
<Begasus> "Haiku" with a H
<MonniTheCat> Begasus: pffft... Don't teach correct answers... AI bots might learn something...
<Begasus> heh
<Guilherme[m]> Now it worked.
<Begasus> ;)
<MonniTheCat> Got good laughs few days ago... Apparently it's illegal in China to call someone dyslexic...
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<Begasus[m]> Must be a good reason for it then
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/f931c4f1904e...cda048e3b141
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus cda048e - fpcupdeluxe, bump version (#11299)
<MonniTheCat> <Begasus[m]> "Must be a good reason for it..." <- There is a lot of foreign words that are not allowed in China... Only one foreign word (English) isn't allowed in Finland...
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<Begasus[m]> got plenty here I guess too :)
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<MonniTheCat> <Begasus[m]> "got plenty here I guess too :)" <- Here they don't bleep illegal words, but subtitles get replaced, so people "don't understand" what they are saying, even though a lot of people born since 1970s can understand English... Makes me want to disable subtitles whenever possible...
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<secondcreek> "Don't teach correct answers... AI bots might learn something..." lol AI has learned to lie already https://cdn.fosstodon.org/cache/media_attachments/files/113/391/605/046/948/971/original/8c5c5473867a2f52.png
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<Begasus[m]> jikes secondcreek :P
<MonniTheCat> AI don't lie, it just copy information others have posted online... It has no concept of correct or incorrect unless you teach it, but most of the time it takes several attempts asking it to verify its own assumption...
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<Begasus[m]> closing down here
<Begasus[m]> cu peeps
<MonniTheCat> cu
<Guilherme[m]> Well, now the problem is with the installation of Kaiku, because the iso image gives the bios_ia32 error that failed to load and the .image (made by building from source code) that the installer uses boots up the first screen that loads the components, and then when it's supposed to be the installer it just displays a screen with colored lines.
<Guilherme[m]> *The screen showing that the components are loading is displayed without the Kaiku logo
<Monni> it's normal that the Haiku logo doesn't show up when running recent revisions...
<Monni> You might want to try different failsafe options from the bootloader...
<Guilherme[m]> How I get to the bootloader before the installation start?
<Monni> I always hold SHIFT while booting...
<MonniTheCat> That's not Hentai...
<Guilherme[m]> ?
<MonniTheCat> Not holding or SHIFT either...
<MonniTheCat> If fail-safe video driver alone doesn't work, then try disabling ACPI next... if that doesn't fix, it's better to try enabling debug output on screen...
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<Guilherme[m]> Now it worked.
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<nephele_desktop> waddlesplash: I'm getting a KDL trying to free 0xdeadbeefdeadbeef from area 0x000, what does that mean?
<Guilherme[m]> The error message you’re seeing, KDL trying to free 0xdeadbeefdeadbeef from area 0x000, indicates that Haiku has encountered a kernel debugger land (KDL) situation. This typically happens when the operating system detects a... (full message at <https://matrix.org/oftc/media/v1/media/download/ARRKsSlblUooma9V6yhTQgV6pN9SA_on8yXjPvY3T17Q-RnMdm2YS04PdzrmTTuAuFGxOXkz-Q215kJnvis9Z4NCeTNkdROgAG1hdHJpeC5vcmcvZU1aRHZGRHFOdGduYWh1dWJ4Zk1FT3lZ>)
<nephele_desktop> ... would you mind not sending these long winded matrxi messages? I know what a KDL is.
<nephele_desktop> and don't send me these wierd AI answers. Thanks.
<MonniTheCat> I thought dead beef meant double free...
<nephele_desktop> MonniTheCat: Could be, I'm not really that versed in this. But i know this is a "marker" value, so thought waddlesplash might have some insights :)
<nephele_desktop> still have the kdl open anyway
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<MonniTheCat> happens usually when something is not set to NULL after freeing the memory...
<MonniTheCat> the address itself is deadbeef when it's pointer to pointer, instead of pointer to variable or object...
<MonniTheCat> I would imagine that would happen when deleting the array before deleting array elements...
<Skipp_OSX> it's normal not to see the Haiku logo at startup if you're running a non-release build
<nephele_desktop> if you compiled it yourself, yes.
<Skipp_OSX> On the installer you can see it says "Thank you for trying out our operating system" instead of "Thank you for trying out Haiku"
<nephele_desktop> Skipp_OSX: that is build without official branding
<Skipp_OSX> correct
<nephele_desktop> oh sorry, i thought you were asking a question :)
<nephele_desktop> my bad
<Skipp_OSX> I'm responding to Guilherme[m] and his videos
<MonniTheCat> I get the Haiku logo when booting from hard disk and that's not release build...
<Skipp_OSX> it's a nightly release
<MonniTheCat> exactly same build from CD doesn't show Haiku logo though...
<Skipp_OSX> hmmmmmmm
<nephele_desktop> logo on boot depends on if the bootloader was build with branding, not haiku itself
<MonniTheCat> same bootloader on both drives... I copied over all files from CD to hard disk...
<nephele_desktop> Also created the gpt table or mbr table with the exact same haiku version etc?
<nephele_desktop> and no other boot medium present?
<MonniTheCat> No MBR on hard disk... GPT table was created with older Haiku version...
<nephele_desktop> what about your efi loader then? also the other haiku version?
<MonniTheCat> EFI loader I copied over from CD too...
<MonniTheCat> Only thing I didn't overwrite was volume boot record...
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<Skipp_OSX> https://insightfactory.tumblr.com/post/766063801623805952/new-folder-turns-to-empty-trash-in-trash-in-a-file <= New Folder in File Panel changed to Empty Trash, last chance to complain...
<Skipp_OSX> You're not supposed to be able to create a folder in Trash, but I fixed the "bug".
<nephele_desktop> I think disabeling the option makes more sense
<nephele_desktop> I'd rather not someoene accidentally clear the trash when trying to create a new folder, not connecting the dots they are in trash
<Skipp_OSX> hmmmmmmm....
<Skipp_OSX> it's meant to match what's in regular Tracker window
<Skipp_OSX> So if you right click on Trash or go to Trash then File it has Empty Trash at the top
<nephele_desktop> Hmm, yes you are right
<nephele_desktop> on the other hand the new folder case is different in tracker
<nephele_desktop> there it is a seperate menu New-> Folder
<nephele_desktop> not a toplevel item
<secondcreek> But what if I want to sort my trash into folders before emptying it? Like sorting your recycling :)
<nephele_desktop> Restabfall
<secondcreek> Plasstiktueten, metall, styropor...
<Skipp_OSX> yeah on File Panels you only get New folder not the menu
<Skipp_OSX> The idea is you're not supposed to be creating new files in File Panel but you might need a new folder to save your file in.
<nephele_desktop> secondcreek: As someone who worked in trash disposal... "Alles in die 'Thermische Verwertung'"
<secondcreek> nur ein scherz
<nephele_desktop> Skipp_OSX: yeah, in this case this inconsistency might create a problem though, hmmm
<secondcreek> heizkraftwerk.
<nephele_desktop> I'm not going to object if you want to do this regardless, but still
<MonniTheCat> There's actually people who hide explicit stuff in Trash, for them having "Empty Trash" can be seriously dangerous... Think about all the people who hid porn in Minox's BeShare server
<nephele_desktop> also clearing the trash in the save menu seems a bit dangeous too
<nephele_desktop> MonniTheCat: I don't think we need to optimize for that... just make a homework folder like everyone else ;)
<nephele_desktop> Skipp_OSX: I think to resolve this I'd probably disable the item in the save dialog, and not add the clear trash item
<MonniTheCat> nephele_desktop: Homework folder for someone who graduated from school over 20 years ago screams sus...
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<nephele_xmpp> skipp_osx: I see you are doing experiments with window tabs for web+... I am sometimes working on moving it to "tree tabs" i.e more like how vision works. Any thoughts on that?
<MonniTheCat> We just prepended everything with it's byte length, so when someone tried to look at anything sus, normal software did only see NULL byte at front...
<Skipp_OSX> You can't move tree tabs between window groups
<nephele_xmpp> What's a window group?
<Skipp_OSX> basically the experiment is to to be able to use the features of Stack & Tile more readily so you can more easily move (browser) windows in and out of stacks.
<Skipp_OSX> a window group is a stack
<nephele_xmpp> I don't see why you can't move a tree tab to another window
<nephele_xmpp> not sure what you mean by moving it to a window group
<Skipp_OSX> detach it from one stack and attach to another.
<Skipp_OSX> So you have 4 WebPostivie windows in one stack, and 3 in another, you can move one of the windows from the first stack to the second using Stack & Tile operations.
<nephele_desktop> sure? what does that have to do with tree tabs?
<Skipp_OSX> Well, unless I'm misunderstanding something tree tabs don't work with S&T, right?
<Skipp_OSX> Like you can't move a tree tab from one stack to another.
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<nephele_desktop> still not sure what you mean, those features don't relate to each other
<Skipp_OSX> right, so I want them to relate to each other.
<nephele_desktop> Well, I want tree tabs mostly because the in-window tabs work badly with content that isn't fixed in ammount
<nephele_desktop> pref/appearence is a good usage of them. webpositive not so much
<nephele_desktop> relation to stack and tile could work if you drag it out of the stack with super held
<nephele_desktop> and then make this allow dropping to windows, or just drag it out?
<Skipp_OSX> yeah either or
<Skipp_OSX> drag the window out of the "tree" or into another "tree"
<nephele_desktop> got Haiku now booted and installed on my macmini 2012
<nephele_desktop> Wondering if we should either: Figure out what rEFInd does differently and do this or: just ship rEFInd with a Haiku theme
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<nephele_desktop> also maybe create a fat32 partition in the image mountable under macos that contains installation instructions (like how to resize the apfs container to make room and stuff)
<nephele_desktop> (probably only for release images though :D)
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<Anarchos> hello
<Skipp_OSX> ok put New folder back, disable on Trash
<Skipp_OSX> You probably don't need to empty the Trash from a File panel
<nephele_desktop> sounds good :D
<Anarchos> as emptying the trash is so long, i prefer to move my stuff to tmp : it takes no more time to shutdown and come up empty :)
<waddlesplash> nephele_desktop: dead beef is what we overwrite with on free. so this is a double free
<waddlesplash> actually a use after free as well as double free
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<Anarchos> i am stuck with a device manager networkd driver not init in netboot
<nephele_desktop> okay waddlesplash, i reported the kdl in any case
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<MonniTheCat> Anarchos: Still not many places it can fail... init_hardware, init_driver and ..._probe
<Anarchos> MonniTheCat it is not a failure but a problem of architecture i guess
<MonniTheCat> Anarchos: Would be useful to know exactly where it fails... Then working around it would be easier...
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<Anarchos> MonniTheCat i am pretty sure the NetBootImage misses some crucial component
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<MonniTheCat> Anarchos: Once I did add printing sequence of numbers just to see how far I get in the code... When some number didn't appear, I knew the issue was before it...
<Habbie> wolf fence debugging
<Habbie> i do it a lot
<MonniTheCat> Helps a lot when the code doesn't crash, just misbehaves...
<Anarchos> MonniTheCat i do that a lot at work :)
<MonniTheCat> Anarchos: My code usually crash hard or fail to build, so I don't need to resort to printf milestones...
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<MonniTheCat> In rare cases I work with code with try-catch blocks somewhere... Those almost never crash, but sometimes the exception is not printed, so don't know what really did happen...
<Anarchos> MonniTheCat i add catch clauses, just to put some breakpoint there :)
<MonniTheCat> I just add a line that prints "Bummer" ;)
<MonniTheCat> Sometimes there is already several chained catch clauses, so by numbering the lines, I know which one was thrown...
<MonniTheCat> I hardly ever build with debug symbols as it would create very large binaries... Sometimes some binary that is less than 2 MB is over 50 MB with debug symbols...
<Anarchos> MonniTheCat i always use 'debug as ' in eclipse at work, but i rarely build !
<Anarchos> waddlesplash do you remember what you said about netboot and the legacy_driver/device_manager network drivers ?
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Midar pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/cda048e3b141...54fdde81becb
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Midar 54fdde8 - objfw: Update to 1.2
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