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<MonniTheCat>
<Begasus> "weird that haikuporter doesn't..." <- The logic to check for missing dependencies isn't perfect... In addition to not being able to find dynamically loaded libraries, it will not find dependencies that are already satisfied indirectly through another dependency...
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<Begasus>
MonniTheCat, patches welcome? :)
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<MonniTheCat>
Begasus: Only way to resolve dependencies properly is to do multiple passes with each of the dependencies installed alone and final pass with running each of the binaries individually in a chroot environment... That is quite complex and time-consuming process...
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<Begasus>
putting back some backups, this will take some time :)
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<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 97a8cc6cc21f - HaikuDepot: Refactor notification and screenshots
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<Anarchos>
hello
<Begasus>
Hi Anarchos
<Begasus>
saw your message :)
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<Anarchos>
Begasus: i am just deceived that haiku boot loader is unable to boot partition on other disks
<Begasus>
Anarchos? how do you mean? I can use a thumbdrive and use that to boot a Haiku install from partition
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<Begasus>
I really should clean those work dirs more often ...
<Anarchos>
Begasus: when you launch BootManager, you can't only add to the menu the OS of the disk where bootman will be installed.
<Anarchos>
Begasus: BAd grammar, i do it again : when you launch BootManager, you can add to the boot menu only the OSes of the disk where bootman will be installed.
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<Begasus[m]>
fault in BootManager then, checked for a ticket?
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<Anarchos>
Begasus[m]: it is said in the userguide of BootManager : "you're presented with a list of all partitions on the destination drive"
<Anarchos>
Begasus[m]: but grub is able to lauch partitions of all drive, so why not haiku bootloader ?
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<Begasus>
Anarchos, you have to take that up with the core devs :)
<Anarchos>
Even in source code there is room for a hard rive number :https://grok.nikisoft.one/opengrok/xref/haiku/src/apps/bootmanager/bootman.S?r=786f0456666788716ad1198843c28f5dae2cb8c8#698
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<PulkoMandy>
Anarchos, the bootloader handles this just fine. It's just the boot manager tool to install it that doesn't
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<PulkoMandy>
this is caused by the kernel and hard disk drivers not implementing a required ioctl, B_GET_DRIVE_ID if I remember correctly, that would allow to know the BIOS drive number (0x80, 0x81, ...) for each hard disk
<PulkoMandy>
this information is known only by the bootloader, and should be passed to kernel arguments in some way, and then the drivers should expose it to the BootMan installer, so it can allow setting this up
<PulkoMandy>
if you manually edit entries in the bootloader after installing it (in Diskprobe), it will boot other disks just fine
<Anarchos>
PulkoMandy: ah yes i remeber you already explained that to me, some years ago
<Anarchos>
PulkoMandy: strange is that my hard drive number is 0x00 in Diskprobe
<PulkoMandy>
if I remember correctly, in BeOS the bootloader computed a checksum of the first few sectors of the disk content, and pass the checksum and corresponding ID to the kernel
<PulkoMandy>
then the kernel can compute the checksum again, and find the mathing ID
<Anarchos>
PulkoMandy: i ghought something like 'ask bios the model of disk drive and pass along), cause in DriveSetup, Haiku is able to displa the hard drive model.
<PulkoMandy>
yes, as long as you don't have two identical drives in the machine. But maybe there is some command to get a serial number or other info like that
<Anarchos>
PulkoMandy: (of course i am aware of the edge case having two identical drives). The checksum trick doesn't satisfy me : what if i reinstall grub on my ubuntu disk, the checksum will change...
<PulkoMandy>
that doesn't matter, because it is not stored anywhere. It just needs to not change between the bootloader start and the kernel start. But yes, it's not very satisfying, it you have a better option with a serial number or other ways to identify a drive, it's better
<PulkoMandy>
I didn't find one, but I didn't look very long
<Anarchos>
PulkoMandy: and i am not skilled enough to know how linux does it
<PulkoMandy>
I don't know if Linux does this, but maybe there is something in grub and/or os-prober, maybe we can ask their developers
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<Anarchos>
PulkoMandy: my bios interface is able to display model number of hard drives. But i just can' t find an interrupt to retrieve that
<PulkoMandy>
yes, you may need to send ATA commands to the disks directly, I don't think the BIOS exposes a lot of info
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<Anarchos>
Begasus: ticket #3545 :)
<Begasus>
+1 Anarchos :)
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<zdykstra>
mornin' all
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<Begasus[m]>
Hi zard
<zard>
Hello Begasus[m] !
<Begasus>
Hi from me too! :D
<zard>
:P
<zardshard>
And from me too :P
<zard>
Aye, that message took a while to come through (~1 minute)
<Begasus[m]>
slow pace for the weekend? ;)
<zardshard>
Just a slow XMPP bridge, I bet
<zard>
Except that one came through instantly. XMPP bridge must have been taking a nap :D
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<Begasus>
for the moment this and the matrix suits my needs :)
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<OscarL>
Instead of trying to figure out things more deeply, /me slaps a "return;" at the end of an if block in AutoMounter::_MountVolumes(), in hopes that will solve https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/19253
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<Begasus>
Hi OscarL!
<OscarL>
Hello there Begasus :-)
<OscarL>
good thing the build masters didn't choked on mozc!
<OscarL>
but with only 4 slow cores... it takes too long. Had to kill the build about half time because I needed some sleep :-)
<Begasus>
that one is a pain to tackle :(
<Begasus>
couldn't you let it run while you were sleeping? extra heat? :)
<OscarL>
heat, noice, and power bill already too high :-(
<Begasus>
:/
<OscarL>
k, let's see if I can just slap mount_server under /non-packaged/ (will black list the default one, just in case).
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<OscarL>
got to desktop, mouse works, but no Tracker or Deskbar :-D
<OscarL>
"restart desktop" from Team monitor worked. nice.
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<OscarL>
system is borked :-D. rebooting.
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<OscarL>
Begasus: made some progress with a "--download-dependencies" option for HaikuPorter. Still need to properly hook things up, but I can already download a given package, and its dependencies, into a given subdir (instead of installing them system-wide).
<Anarchos>
PulkoMandy: i finally got a ubuntu in good shape, if you need help to port haskell...
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<AlienSoldier>
waddlesplash : with yesterday update and another one today, i still have KDL at boot Panic : assert failed haiku-git/headers/private/kernel/vm/vmcache.h :285) : find_thread(__null) == (&flock)->holder
<AlienSoldier>
this happened somewhere after hrev 58187/
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<OscarL>
k. let's jam a haiku.hpkg, to see if my crappy fix for the automount bug is any good at all :-D
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<OscarL>
waddlesplash: that *extra* "_whitelogger_" bot seems to be misbehaving (keeps quitting/joining). Maybe you know who to contact about it?
<OscarL>
normal _whitelogger seems to be working just fine.
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<OscarL>
Tracker gets confused too easily if you have symlinks to volumes or folders in the Desktop.
<OscarL>
I have a symlink to a "Data1" partition... I unmount, and remount said partition... and besides the pre-existing "Data1" symlink (with a drive icon), I now get a "Data1" folder icon.
<OscarL>
That "fake folder" (doen't looks like a symlink), points to the same data as the "Data1" symlink. Restating Tracker makes it go away.
<OscarL>
I've seen similarly weird behavior with symlinks to files... if those files belong to a git repo, using "git pull" usually means I get a lot of "phantom" files un the Desktop.