<waddlesplash>
Yoke: I haven't seen or heard of Haiku corrupting data outside its partition in a long time
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<Yoke>
Can't be too carefull, to be honest I'd just rarther keep Haiku and windows apart for the time being, when I finally get around to upgrading this thing
<OscarL>
and that I forgot to do my yearly "ping" on that one :-D
<OscarL>
are manually triggered builds an option? (asking because there are 2 commits on beta5 that are not available as system updates)
<OscarL>
My short-term memory sucks today. I had already mentioned those commits. Sigh. Oh well... See you around folks. Happy Haikuing!
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<x512[m]>
waddlesplash: Yes. But I have seen corruption of data outside of boot partition in ReactOS.
<AlienSoldier>
i am still amazed that HD maker never implemented hardware controlled partition management directly on hard drive.
<AlienSoldier>
hard drive currently are just like memory management under amiga
<x512[m]>
Why it is needed? It would only make things more complex and fragile.
<x512[m]>
For example it will complicate data recovery.
<x512[m]>
Dual boot is quite niche use case.
<x512[m]>
Usually there are only one primary OS on PC and other OSes are run in virtual machines.
<AlienSoldier>
i never said i would like it :) i liked the unprotected amiga memory model, the compromise was ok with me.
<MonniTheCat>
With technologies like Hyper-V, Microsoft is essentially forcing people to use Windows as primary system... Then breaking support for third-party operating systems in their own updates... This makes people want dual-booting instead of running secondary operating system in a virtual machine...
<MonniTheCat>
Still amazes me how much easier it is to boot operating systems with MBR than UEFI...
<MonniTheCat>
Before latest cleanup, I had 11 operating systems on this PC...
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<cratuki>
I have built a BeOS machine. Bought VP6 on ebay, PCI cards, etc. I have R5 running on a compactflash drive.
<cratuki>
Wondering how to get 32-bit haiku running on a separate drive. I have a cdrom but not a DVD.
<cratuki>
I have tried using linux dd to put the haiku 32-bit ISO onto a compactflash drive, but haiku crashes during boot.
<cratuki>
At the moment I am copying the haiku ISO to the BeOS instance, to see if I can mount an ISO as a cdrom and install like that.
<cratuki>
Any other suggestions?
<cratuki>
Also, does anyone have an archive of what used to be on bebits?
<AlienSoldier>
cratuki a lot of it is usually shared on behare, minus the decription bebits used to have.
<AlienSoldier>
as to installing haiku, you can move the hard drive from a computer to another.
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<cratuki>
Thanks for the advice.
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<waddlesplash>
cratuki: depending on the CF and precise error msg it may just be that Haiku can't read it
<waddlesplash>
moving the hard drive should work out yes
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<HaikuUser2>
nihao
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<Begasus>
morning peeps
<Begasus>
k, let's see how this ends up with poppler/nss
<MonniTheCat>
morning Begasus...
<Begasus[m]>
Morning Mika Lindqvist
<Begasus[m]>
what's the stats on the review? :)
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<cratuki>
waddlesplash: it booted somewhat from the compactflash but gave a kernel error during boot. I don't have text in front of me but could get it if it is useful.
<cratuki>
I have installed haiku-32 on a thinkpad x220. Through this I was able to install it to a SSD. But haiku does not recognise my compactflash reader.
<cratuki>
My IDE-to-SSD interface does not get me there. I see the SSD boot menu on the legacy motherboard. But when I boot, error.
<cratuki>
So I think my luck looks better on the compactflash path. Haiku-32 does not seem to support USB-to-compactflash devices.
<cratuki>
I have a traditional 5400 IDE disk on the way from amazon. Where I live this will take a couple of weeks.
<cratuki>
Does Haiku32 allow you to mount ISOs on the desktop, as if they were CDs? I may be able to get enough space in the legacy host that I can transfer the haiku32 ISO to load the installer that way.
<Begasus>
should be a way, can't remember though :)
<Begasus>
humdinger would know, he explained it last time
<MonniTheCat>
In most cases mounting ISO image will only mount the first filesystem in the image... A lot of CD/DVD images have multiple filesystems...
<Begasus[m]>
in this case a Haiku image, should only contain one filesystem
<MonniTheCat>
Haiku has multiple image formats... raw image can be mounted directly, anyboot image can't...
<Begasus>
grabbing poppler24-24.11.0-1-x86_64.hpkg and moving it to /Share/haikuports/packages/poppler24-24.11.0-1-x86_64.hpkg ... so far so good :)
<MonniTheCat>
I get README.html if I try to mount Haiku beta 5 ISO image... it also contains two floppy images and boot.catalog file
<Begasus>
last times I checked it was with the anyboot images
<MonniTheCat>
disktype command in Linux says Beta 5 anyboot image has 3 filesystems...
<cratuki>
On the thinkpad, `mount -t iso9660 /boot/home/iso9660` freezes for me - only the command, not the OS.
<cratuki>
(correction - I do have the haik32 iso filename in as a second to last argument.)
<Begasus>
seen that freeze here too sometimes on mounting external disks
<cratuki>
Downloaded the file to the BeOSr5 instance, but so far have not found a way to mount.
<cratuki>
Maybe someone here is set up to sell on ebay. If you can get a 32-bit haiku on compact flash I could buy.
<MonniTheCat>
I had to use dd to strip few bytes from start of the ISO image before I could mount it...
<cratuki>
Delivery to Malta. PM me if anyone can be bothered.
<cratuki>
I would say the same about buying a bebits-like archive. Would save me hassle if I could buy a 1TB drive on ebay from someone with the content. PM me if interest, delivery to Malta.
<dovsienko>
so, the hrev58364 VM was idling with the pkgman error message, then I got back to it after maybe 30 minutes, and it was in KDL with SCSI and SATA in the stack trace
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<MonniTheCat>
<dovsienko> "so, the hrev58364 VM was..." <- Could be memory corruption or...
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<san2ban>
Hi all...I do not understand the behaviour of network speed on haiku os. My internet connection being same,on haiku-os some times i get good speed, sometimes it just crawls...same internet connection on windows /linux is always good...any inputs to set right this is appreciated
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<humdinger>
I see the same. No idea what's the issue...
<humdinger>
Often gets better when restarting web+.
<humdinger>
worst case, I reboot.
<Begasus[m]>
'lu humdinger :)
<humdinger>
hullo!
<Begasus[m]>
TeXstudio could use a boost in the sorting at the depot now :) (non native) :P
<humdinger>
explain... how to boost it?
<Begasus[m]>
aren't you part there?
<Begasus[m]>
following the topics at the forum ... :)
<humdinger>
I don't understand what you want me to do. :)
<Begasus[m]>
move TeXstudio up in the ranking? latest featured packages? I don't know how you sort them there :)
<Begasus[m]>
I should check HaikuDepot app more often :P
<humdinger>
ah. Mr. Clasqm is the mn for that.
<humdinger>
*man
<Begasus[m]>
I think he wanted to have a timeframe for updating that list, so no hurry, just thought I'd poke you :D
<humdinger>
I think michel wanted to poll for new entries every few weeks/month. Can't quite remember.
<humdinger>
You could poke him via PM at the forums. username "michel".
<humdinger>
also, IIRC, he'll add any updated apps to the featured list for a month.
<Begasus[m]>
has been since this afternoon like that
<humdinger>
another Xitter alternative? )
<Begasus[m]>
ah :) mastodon client Tokodon
<Begasus[m]>
yep :)
<Begasus[m]>
this latest beta runs pretty smooth
<gordonjcp>
fidoverse
<gordonjcp>
it's like Mastodon but it works over fidonet
<humdinger>
no social media for me... enough to have the form and IRC for me.
<Begasus[m]>
can't keep up with all, was already glad I got Tokodon up and running
<humdinger>
*forum
<Begasus[m]>
Need to get the word out there :)
<gordonjcp>
I want *better* social media
<Begasus[m]>
I want a "bare metal install" again :)
<gordonjcp>
Begasus[m]: bare metal install of...?
<Begasus[m]>
what was I doing again ...
<Begasus[m]>
gordonjcp Haiku
<gordonjcp>
oh, that's easy enough
<Begasus[m]>
if only :)
<humdinger>
Begasus[m]: your new hw not compatible?
<Begasus[m]>
believe me, tried about every route out there
<gordonjcp>
Begasus[m]: what are you installing it on?
<humdinger>
I dread the day my 10+ year old notebook breaks...
<Hanicef[m]>
Begasus[m]: Fedi is definitely the place for a project like this, just make sure to follow the "hidden rules" (add alt text, use cw when appropriate, don't misuse tags, etc) and it's going to go well
<gordonjcp>
humdinger: it works great on Thinkpad T420/430/440 family
<Begasus[m]>
humdinger it is, just can't get that darn thumbdrive to boot for an install (wen't bogus a while back)
<Begasus[m]>
got about 5 native installs here gordonjcp, and had it on this one too, untill ...
<gordonjcp>
Begasus[m]: just one particular machine unhappy?
<humdinger>
gordonjcp: we'll see what's on the market when my trusted Schenker croaks.
<gordonjcp>
I feel like Haiku is kind of where Linux was about 20 years ago, where it works just *perfectly* if you choose "easy" hardware, and anything else is going to give you fun times
<Begasus>
right gordonjcp, and it's my main build laptop
<humdinger>
Begasus[m]: maybe you need to transplant the drive into en external USB case and install from another computer. or something.
<gordonjcp>
humdinger: if something T4x0 is suitable I can probably arrange something
<waddlesplash>
Begasus[m]: are you going to FOSDEM? maybe one of the devs can look at it for you there
<gordonjcp>
humdinger: where are you, approximately?
<Begasus>
it's not a regular hard disk humdinger :)
<Begasus>
that's the plan waddlesplash :)
<waddlesplash>
very good
<waddlesplash>
well, hopefully one of them, probably PulkoMandy, has the time to try and debug it
<humdinger>
gordonjcp: southern germany. though the old notebook is still going strong. :)
<gordonjcp>
humdinger: well I can probably get an old Thinkpad over to somewhere near Munich, eventually
<PulkoMandy>
during FOSDEM it may be too busy to debug something :)
<gordonjcp>
Wien is easier
<humdinger>
gordonjcp: thanks for the offer, but I'll drive my current setup as long as possible. :)
<Begasus>
should ask pankake if he's also at FOSSDEM :)
<humdinger>
yeah. and waffles.
<Begasus>
I'm promised cookies from the KDE peeps :P (and icecream)
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<humdinger>
those are probably "kookies"
<Begasus>
they better not! :P
<dovsienko>
"icekream" then?
<Begasus>
heh
<humdinger>
we don't really need a "native" flag at HDS. the filename is quite enough. KApplication is KDE and QtApp is that other thing. :)
<Begasus>
KApplications is a joint effort from KDE + Qt ;)
<humdinger>
also, the scrollbar knob size in the dependency window is damning before you install one of those.
<dovsienko>
waddlesplash: I've got a KDL in an idle Haiku VM, would you like a bug report?
<waddlesplash>
what's the message?
<dovsienko>
begins at 216:scsi_bus_service_24_kstack
<dovsienko>
PANIC: release_spinlock: lock 0xffffffff88f6de20 was already released
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<waddlesplash>
hmm interesting
<waddlesplash>
yes, probably worth a ticket
<dovsienko>
serial console can be arranged now if required
<waddlesplash>
syslog tail or full syslog from serial debug would be relevant too if you have it
<dovsienko>
filing...
<waddlesplash>
let me look at the full trace first
<error_fecb0de3>
something wrong on the Haiku servers or this is my net problem?
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<error_fecb0de3>
it seems I have a lot of /haiku_loader-r1~beta5_hrev58366-1-x86_64.hpkg in the administrative folder. How to deal with this?
<error_fecb0de3>
it seems I have a lot of /haiku_loader-r1~beta5_hrev58366-1-x86_64.hpkg in the administrative/transaction folder. How to deal with this?
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 4055af514323 - BTimedEventQueue: Rewrite from scratch, avoiding malloc().
<dovsienko>
error_fecb0de3: failed similarly for me, the expected was the same, and the actual was different from yours (and from the expected)
<error_fecb0de3>
on our ago, I did the same update on my system installed on a USB dongle and it worked. I usually do this in order to avoid f**k up my real Haiku installed on SSD
<dovsienko>
waddlesplash: a potential way to serve significant amounts of traffic without adding a CDN into the infrastructure is to run a cheap dedicated server
<waddlesplash>
ultimately due to how the infra is set up we want the packages to be stored in S3
<dovsienko>
specifically, around 10 euro/month for an unlimited 100Mb/s port
<dovsienko>
alright
<waddlesplash>
from what hosting provider though?
<waddlesplash>
because Hetzner has terrible peering
<waddlesplash>
we used to use them and switched because of that
<phschafft>
which datacentre?
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<dovsienko>
I understand that would be somewhere in India, and OVH isn't perfect when it comes to uptime, and tech support is poor
<dovsienko>
if you can splash $20-30 a month, that would get an old dedicated host somewhere in the US or Europe
<dovsienko>
(especially this week, may be subject to a yearly pre-paid plan). you can find offers from different hosting providers at https://lowendbox.com/
<dovsienko>
if the project requires an above-average level of tech support, Mythic Beasts would be a good choice for UK/US/NL, but only if they offer you a special rate on the traffic
<waddlesplash>
it will probably not be cheaper than what we currently have
<dovsienko>
(you'd have to show their banner somewhere in exchange)
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<Anarchos>
hello
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<gingi>
hi there
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<Anarchos>
hello gingi
<phschafft>
is the forum back up btw?
<gingi>
hi anarchos
<gingi>
now i have christmas vacation
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<gingi>
bye
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<tktech>
waddlesplash: As a Canadian, I looked at Hetzner along with a few other options when getting a few new boxes and yeah, same issue. Horrible, horrible peering and unacceptable latency.
<tktech>
OVH has a nice Montreal datacenter with great latency to the east coast and central, and decent prices
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<tktech>
waddlesplash: FYI, the botifico bot is gone forever, unfortunately ahead of schedule.
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<Yoke>
anyone know a good GPU without an external power connectors that works with Haiku? I've had a look on the Haiku compatability databasse but I'm having a hell of a time figuring out if they need a seperate power connector.
<x512[m]>
Nvidia T400 for example.
<x512[m]>
There are currently no need of powerful GPU for Haiku because hardware acceleration is not supported yet.
<phschafft>
I would *guess* that buildin/onboard graphic is the best option?
<Yoke>
It works, by which I mean only the VGA works, the HDMI shows the boot splash then freaks out and shows lines :/
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<Yoke>
in essece I just need something with either HDMI or DVI
<x512[m]>
Yes, built-in GPU is fine if present.
<x512[m]>
Yoke: You can try to select save graphics in boot loader menu.
<Yoke>
To be honest that completely slipped my mind, let me try that right quick
<x512[m]>
If everything is displayed fine until boot splash rocket icon, then it can be fixed by setting save graphics mode.
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<Yoke>
unfortunately no sutch luck
<Yoke>
It might be a quirk with either my monitor or the computor itself, I mean it is a dell so they probabbly never meant for you to use anything other than the monitor that comes with it