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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/2d321288d137...47e2a9baa7b9
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 47e2a9b - json_c: use setlocale instead uselocale
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<HaikuUser> playing around with openGL, glfw, and glm. my app cannot find the glfw header file. any ideas?
<HaikuUser> fatal error: GLFW/glfw3.h: No such file or directory 33 | #include <GLFW/glfw3.h>
<HaikuUser> nothing in /boot/system/develop/headers
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<rennj> https://www.glfw.org/ i would assume
<andreasdr[m]> You can install the glfw development package
<HaikuUser> I installed the glfw package from the depot... but, unlike the glm package, it didn't create any headers.. guess I'll try downloading them from glfw.org as you suggest
<HaikuUser> thanks
<rennj> threedeyes improved the GLFW port substantially
<andreasdr[m]> It used to work.
<waddlesplash> HaikuUser: use haikuports first
<rennj> screen of minecraft
<waddlesplash> most software needs to be patched for Haiku
<HaikuUser> ok thanks
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<AlienSoldier> Kokito once the crashing will be resolved it will be a nice browser
<AlienSoldier> a lot of those point in the test are not even of interest to me
<Kokito> AlienSoldier, Web (Epiphany) is pretty stable here (does not crash). Maybe I am just lucky ;)
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<AlienSoldier> Kokito might be site dependent. I check facebook market place a lot, often crash there
<rennj> i think this software would work on haiku https://pcem-emulator.co.uk/status.html
<rennj> the build depends are not bad
<rennj> libsdl2-dev libwxgtk3.0-gtk3-dev libopenal-dev
<rennj> got bochs still
<Kokito> AlienSoldier, it's possible. But so far, it has been good for everything I have thrown at it. Either way, it is a great improvement IMHO!
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<cocobean> Just link drivers as needed.
<cocobean> W-I-P
<cocobean> "Lavapipe"
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<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Could a - "kill all running programs" option for the BeDead be implemented?
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<DarkHorse> thanks for the help earlier regarding the missing glfw headers files. I built and installed a glfw_devel package that included and it compiled
<DarkHorse> but now, when linking, it says it cannot find gl.pc. Makefile has LIBS=`pkg-config --libs glfw3 gl`
<rennj> packageconfig ftw hehe
<rennj> .pc
<DarkHorse> actual error is Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gl.pc'
<DarkHorse> mesa_devel package has a egl.pc but no gl.pc
<rennj> no libgl1 foo?
<rennj> libgl1-mesa-dev
<DarkHorse> I apologize, new to BeOS... I can't find libgl1-mesa-dev anywhere...
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<OscarL> Not sure which "HaikuUser" was having this error: "fatal error: GLFW/glfw3.h: No such file or directory"
<OscarL> but you may be just missing the "_devel" package for glfw... as in: "> pkgman install glfw_devel"
<OscarL> For the record.. most, if not all, library package are that way: one package only for the libs (.so) needed for program execution, and a "_devel" package that includes the headers and such.
<OscarL> (duh... he found out already anyway... I should get a coffee before reading the logs :-D)
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56686] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=8040281d8052+%5Ef6c51a5dc40b
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 8040281d8052 - setvolume: detailed usage info, print mute state
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<OscarL> Morning Begasus
<Begasus> Morning OscarL
<netpositive> morning
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Good morning Begasus: OscarL: netpositive:
<OscarL> hello netpositive!
<OscarL> BarmenduChakraborty[m]: Hola :-)
<Begasus> Morning netpositive BarmenduChakraborty[m]
<OscarL> Begasus: I was reading waddlesplash comment regarding the naming of "libevent21"... and I was thinking... maybe we should really clean up that mess and just call it what it is "libevent".
<OscarL> This are my findings so far:
<OscarL> So... I intend to test the three recipes that require "lib:libevent" against the latest "lib:libevent_2.1" I have in the PR... and see what's what.
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<Begasus> from what I saw in the archives all of them are using libevent21 OscarL
<Begasus> so far haven't seen anything using libevent (the old one)
<Begasus> for that matter I renamed the lua recipes also
<OscarL> (feels to me like the "libevent2" vs "libevent" naming distinction is not relevant/needed any longer)
<Begasus> probably not
<Begasus> so maybe disable (but keep) the old and rename the new one to libevent?
<OscarL> and the upstream library calls itself simply "libevent" :-)
<OscarL> sounds reasonable, yes-
<OscarL> first I'll try with those old recipes, just in case :-D
<Begasus> everythin starting from v2 and up
<Begasus> +1
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Hey Begasus: Could a - "kill all running programs" option for the BeDead be implemented?
<Begasus> Leave a comment on the PR regarding that, always nice to know what happened :)
<Begasus> BarmenduChakraborty[m], when it comes to coding I'm a noob :) so no idea
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Okay. What's your expertise then?
<Begasus> the recipes at haikuports
<OscarL> Begasus: sure, I was writting that "bpa.st" as a comment for that PR, but since you were here... better consult with you first :-D
<Begasus> buiding and hunting errors :)
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Ok ok XD
<Begasus> building* :)
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Got it
<Begasus> Had been mentoring for a few years at GCI ... and long time around :)
<OscarL> what's BeDead? and why does it wants to learn to kill? :-P
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Who should I ask that?
<Begasus> OscarL, has more expertise there
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> OscarL: I found it at HaikuArchives
* OscarL looks around pointing to himself, confused.
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Yep. Thats the one
<OscarL> having a "kill all", with that list of process the screenshot has... sounds like a perfect recipe to be forced to hit the Reset button :-D
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Oops
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Sounds bad
<OscarL> In any case... first you should figure out how to kill one of those, then add a loop, and then add a button that calls the loop.
<OscarL> You want to "kill" kill, or you just want them to quit?
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Okay
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Quit
<OscarL> That's healthier... not a nice thing being a killer :-P
<Begasus> Rrrr ... dogs :)
<OscarL> For BeOS/Haiku apps, there are ways to send apps a message requiesting them to quit.
<augiedoggie> woof
<OscarL> for more general programs.... posix signals also exist.
<OscarL> (I know that these things exists, but I'm not experience enough as to guide you.... at best I could find some docs for you to read, BarmenduChakraborty[m])
* OscarL barks back at augiedoggie :-P
<OscarL> that's how BeDead sends the selected app a "please be nice and die" message.
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> I guess I'll read a bit into it and try
<OscarL> I guess what you need to figure out is how to add a "Quit All the selected ones" or "Quit All" button to that app's Window...
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Yeah
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Don't wanna quit the necessary ones
<OscarL> And then use a "for loop" for each of the selected elements (or all of them) from that BListView.
<OscarL> in fact... there's already something there: https://github.com/HaikuArchives/BeDead/blob/master/src/DeathWindow.cpp#L121
<OscarL> BarmenduChakraborty[m]: this series of articles should help you with the "how do I add a button that calls a function" then: https://www.haiku-os.org/development/learning_to_program_with_haiku
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<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> How do I understand which ones to *not* kill
<OscarL> one way (my "cavemen" way)...
<OscarL> Hit CTRL+ALT+DEL on your Haiku install...
<OscarL> the "Team Monitor" will pop up.
<OscarL> it basically does similar to that BeDead app.
<OscarL> but when you select a team in Team Monitor... it will tell you if it's a system component or not.
<OscarL> Knowing that it does that... we could look into TeamMonitor's code to see how it does it...
* OscarL goes for a search
<Begasus> Focus! :)
<Begasus> We do have ProcessControler you know? ;)
<OscarL> I.... I try Begasus! But...
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Begasus: Top right?
<OscarL> I thought the objective was he wanting to learn how to do it :-)
<Begasus> Yep BarmenduChakraborty[m] (if you still have Deskbar there)
<Begasus> Right there OscarL
<OscarL> maybe he just want to kill some crazy app, and I'm talking nonsense.
<OscarL> wouldn't be the first time... nor the last one :-D
<Begasus> meantime R builds fine here
<OscarL> Speaking of side-tracks :-P
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> OscarL: Nah nah. I am thinking about features to add in third party apps (as a part of PRs before i put in my GSoC proposal)
<Begasus> also with xlibe (although I fail to see what it needs it for)
<OscarL> BarmenduChakraborty[m]: that's nice. Then the links I gave you should be good I think.
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Ok. I'll get started
<OscarL> I would recomend a first read at that "Learning to program with Haiku", even if its just a fast one... but it will help you get the "bigger picture" of how things play together, BarmenduChakraborty[m].
<OscarL> You then can always search for particular functions/terms you have problems later on.
<OscarL> (or ask here... and get even more confused by my crazy talk :-P)
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> I will. I will. Thanks a lot OscarL:
<Begasus> that's about 20% OscarL , the other part is usefull :P
<OscarL> heh, I like those numbers! :-D
<Begasus> ;)
<n0toose[m]> oh, someone sent in haiku-related patches for the audacity fork
<n0toose[m]> would probably have to go the wxGTK way as wxQT builds are a mess
<n0toose[m]> which is what prevented a port the first time around, iirc
<OscarL> good luck there!
<OscarL> ARCHITECTURES="?all !x86_gcc2 x86" <<< does that means only builds on x86 ?
<OscarL> (as in... untested for the rest)
<Begasus> Threre is no x86 primary anymore
<OscarL> ah, I'll remove that then.
<Begasus> so basicly probably only for secondary? _x86
<OscarL> SECONDARY_ARCHITECTURES="x86" yup
<Begasus> yeah, doesn't belong in the primary anymore
<Begasus> at one point there was a pure x86 primary (not like the hybrid x86_gcc2)
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<OscarL> I see, I think I've see that mentioned in passing, but wasn't really "around" at the time.
<Begasus> Didn't last very long too I think
* OscarL fires up a "torrentor" build (trying to link to libevent2_1)
<OscarL> "failed updating 12 target(s)"
<Begasus> jam?
<OscarL> Doesn't seems to like 64 bits.
<OscarL> a HaikuArchive app.
<Begasus> well, most of them are written over 20 years ago :) fix them!
<Begasus> ;)
<OscarL> Skipping for now, because if I switch to 32... I'll want to fix it :-D
<Begasus> hehe
<OscarL> Sadly... the skills do not match the needs.
<OscarL> (except for some random Holliday miracles)
<OscarL> "libbitcoinconsensus" recipe also disabled, skipping that one... only one possible user of old libevent then...
<OscarL> "> cd `hp -p package_name`" I'm aliasing the crap out of that one.
<Begasus> yeah, was some part of GCI iirc
<OscarL> *"> cd `hp -o package_name`" I meant.
<extrowerk> Begasus: hi
<extrowerk> Would you please try to delete the /boot/home/config/settings/musikcube folder (if exists) then start musikcube in terminal using the "musikcube" command? (the other executable, called musikcubeD is a daemon, it is not needed to start that)
<Begasus> hi extrowerk !
<Begasus> sec
<extrowerk> i have managed to set-up the correct routing/firewall rules, so now my Haiku machine can see into the VPN tunnel which managed by my router. Nice. I can aceess my NAs from my parents :)
<Begasus> still crash
<Begasus> so you need a report?
<Begasus> grrr ... waiting for ...
<extrowerk> I am not sure i can understand the crash log, but still pls paste it into github comment, maybe the author can say something about that.
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<Begasus> extrowerk, added
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<extrowerk> Begasus: i tried to put the binaries into the $binDir and the other resources into $dataDir, but then musikcube can't find its resources.
<extrowerk> it seems the resources needs to be placed alongside the binaries. but i do not want to place data files into $binDir ,thats why i placed them in appsDir.
<Begasus> ah, thought it would be something like that, you can resolve the comments given regarding that then
<extrowerk> not ideal, i know.
<Begasus> right, that's correct too, data shouldn't be in $binDir
<Begasus> but I stand with $appsDir/MusikCube :)
<extrowerk> ok, i can do that.
<Begasus> it looks a bit "odd" when I look into $appsDir now :)
<extrowerk> btw it seems (to my eyes) your musikcube crashes in the libtheora lib. thats not provided by musikcube. could you please try to rebuild libtheora via haikuporter?
<extrowerk> i am not sure which package provides it. ogg maybe.
<extrowerk> or vorbis
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<Begasus> it's a standalone library
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<extrowerk> media-libs/libtheora
<extrowerk> could you please rebuild it, maybe there is something wrong with that lib.
<Begasus> think I only recently pushed a change to remove the static library there
<Begasus> let me check
<extrowerk> Begasus: musikcube should look like this when it runs: http://0x0.st/oROU.png
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<Begasus> yep
<Begasus> ah, kind of like modplayer, good to know
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<Begasus> already got an uptodate libtheora
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<Begasus> extrowerk, can you check? libtheora-1.1.1-8
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<Begasus> thought you left us OscarL :P
<OscarL> bad connection :-)
<OscarL> or rage quit... you never know :-D
<OscarL> this "seeks" is not building on modern Haiku.
<Begasus> also from haikuarchives?
<OscarL> Has conflicting "if defined()" it seems... I *might* be able to figure it out.. maybe not :-)
<OscarL> (was talking about "seeks")
<OscarL> No, that one is from:...
<Begasus> ah
<Begasus> found it
<Begasus> using older libevent yes
<OscarL> SourceForge... with some imput from mmu_man back in the day it seems.
<OscarL> COPYRIGHT includes "Francois Revol" :-D
<Begasus> no updates on repology there
<OscarL> recipe is up-to-date :-)
<OscarL> but something seems to have changed in either cmake, or the system headers, or the compiler, etc...
<OscarL> I didn't want to point fingers :-P
* Begasus whistles and heads back to R
<Begasus> :P
<Begasus> almost 6 years ago, so yeah, probably a lot has changed since then
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<extrowerk> Begasus: i have the same libtheora, but for 64 bit, obviously.
<extrowerk> I have meant you could try to rebuild libtheora, maybe it makes some difference.
<Begasus> yeah
<Begasus> I'll look into that later extrowerk , atm looking at building/finishing R
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<OscarL> because that fixes "gethostbyaddr()", now seeks build detects it as valid... and exposes a bug deeper in to seeks code :-D
<OscarL> (conflictin defines if gethostbyaddr() vs gethostbyname() vs workaround for missing both)
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<Begasus> there's also https://github.com/beniz/seeks (but not much happened there)
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<Anarchos> hello
<Begasus> hi Anarchos
<OscarL> Mmm autoconfig keeps saying "ac_cv_func_gethostbyaddr_r=yes", but there's no header file in Haiku with that signature ?!?!
* Anarchos comes here at a quite unusual hour, but he forgot his smartcard to access his work laptop. So no work, and Vision on haiku instead !
<Begasus> easy peasy then Anarchos :)
<Anarchos> OscarL did you check on xref.landonf.org ?
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<OscarL> Anarchos: seems to appear only on a .c file... can autotools pickit it up from there somehow?
* OscarL have no idea about autotools and such :-D
<OscarL> In any case... I would want to patch it out... (forcing "#define HAVE_GETHOSTBYADDR_R 0"). Open to suggestions.
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<Begasus> it has been done OscarL ?
<Begasus> been a while though (2015) :)
<OscarL> not sure I'm expressing myself right then.
<Begasus> ;)
<OscarL> this code alsso has that type of "#if defined(HAVE_GETHOSTBYADDR_R)",,, but it conflicts with other defines it has... and I intend to test if undefining HAVE_GETHOSTBYADDR_R actually solves it cleanly or further patching is needed.
<OscarL> guess I'll just "sed" the resulting "config.h" and try it that way :-D
<Anarchos> OscarL yes autotools will pick it from libnetwork/gethostbyname.c
<OscarL> Anarchos: without a prototype even? (sorry if this is a silly question.... silly newbie here)
* OscarL keeps tripping over C and C++ things.
<Anarchos> OscarL yes, if i remember autotools can check the presence of a symbol in the .text section of a shared library
<OscarL> ouch (in this case, at least :-( ). Thanks for the data Anarchos.
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56687] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=17889a8c70db+%5E8040281d8052
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 17889a8c70db - 3rdparty/google: add script for making Google Compute Engine images
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56688] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=0fae96c5a349+%5E17889a8c70db
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 0fae96c5a349 - package command: Enable zstd compression by default.
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<OscarL> Patching "seeks"... from a 1.84 KB file... to a 44+ KB file due to C++11/17 changes.... oh so much fun! (this better ends up working, or else...!!! :D)
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<Begasus> lol
<Begasus> well I can tell you the error I'm getting there is not related to libevent :)
<OscarL> "yet"
<Begasus> error: '_resolver_mutex' is not a member of 'sp::seeks_proxy'
<OscarL> that's the one I was trying to fix earlier, master Begasus :-D
<Begasus> ah, you got past that already then :)
<OscarL> add this before "make $jobArgs"...
<OscarL> sed -i '/#define HAVE_GETHOSTBYADDR_R 1/d' ./config.h
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<OscarL> but then you'll need the 43 KB of the rest of the patch...
<OscarL> only to get greeted by YET ANOTHER set of errors :-D
<OscarL> This thing is trolling me :-D
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<Begasus> is it worth the effort?
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<OscarL> now I curious about what the heck this thing does :-D
<Begasus> I did that one back then to get rid of the old bep files
<Begasus> heh
<OscarL> I think it need and older version of Haiku... AND and older GCC.
<OscarL> (not GCC2, but less than GCC11... GCC8 perhaps?)
<Anarchos> what is 'seeks' ?
<Begasus> from the github page at least gcc5
<jmairboeck> OscarL: if C++11 or 17 is the problem, maybe adding -std=c++98 to CXXFLAGS helps?
<OscarL> jmairboeck: NICE!
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<OscarL> jmairboeck: I'm just a cavemen trying to beat it into submission :-D
<OscarL> and you just have me a laser sable!
* OscarL will be back.
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<Blendie> is there a way i can set user password on haiku?
<OscarL> Blendie: AFAIK... only from the ScreenSaver (as in... you lock the screen, and it will ask you for a password to unlock)
<OscarL> "passwrd" is there... not sure if it helps much on this single-user system.
<OscarL> then there are the ssh credentials... after that... no idea, sorry.
<jmairboeck> passwd can be used for setting a password for SSH login
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* OscarL *almost* got it right then :-D
<OscarL> Grrr... I reverted TOO much of my patch LOL.
<Begasus> trying to include the standalone library for R to the package here :)
<OscarL> wishing a bit of luck to both of us Begasus!
<Begasus> think I'm better of atm ;)
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<jmairboeck> the Tcl test suite hangs in pthread_cond_wait in event.test ...
<jmairboeck> maybe this has something to do with the hangs during OpenCascade tests
<jmairboeck> OpenCascade DRAW uses tcl
<Begasus> checked repology if others suffer from it too?
<OscarL> ouff... what's with the test suites and hangs? lots of those in the Python packages TEST() too :-D
<OscarL> CXXLAGS vs CXXFLAGS, sigh... /me starts another build.
<Begasus> whoops!
<Begasus> and NOW you tell me :)
<OscarL> is OK for those exports to be there? I mean... ABOVE the autoreconf call?
<OscarL> doesn't seems to make any difference anyway :-(
<Begasus> maybe they can be moved befor runConfigure?
<OscarL> tried that... but the compiler lines of the output do not show the adde flag.
* OscarL surely wish he knew what he's doing.
<Begasus> I have that all the time :P
<OscarL> yay... now it has picked them up... lets see how far it progresses. (I might have had another typo... or forgotten to save the recipe between builds :-D)
<Begasus> haven't patched anything here (aside from the sed thing you mentioned, and fixed the typo, and add jmairboeck suggestion)
<Begasus> Uchar doesn't name a type ...
<OscarL> yup...
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<OscarL> and the funny: "/boot/system/develop/headers/unicode/umachine.h:376:13: error: 'char16_t' does not name a type"
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<Begasus_32> ~> R-x86 --version
<Begasus_32> R version 4.0.3 (2020-10-10) -- "Bunny-Wunnies Freak Out"
<Begasus> ;)
<Anarchos> OscarL char16_t, isn't it defined in wchar.h ?
<x512[m]> Why R-x86?
<Begasus_32> ~> R --version
<Begasus_32> R version 4.2.2 (2022-10-31) -- "Innocent and Trusting"
<Begasus> That was the old one x512[m] :)
<Begasus> biab
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<OscarL> I'm suspecting yet another header guard collition.
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<Begasus_32> ~> R --slave --vanilla -e 'print("Hello, world!")'
<Begasus_32> [1] "Hello, world!"
<Begasus> that test seem to work ok too :)
<OscarL> jmairboeck: thanks again for the "-std=c++98" suggestion! I totally dropped the ball there trying to patch it, heh :-D
<OscarL> nice Begasus!
<OscarL> at lease *something* is working today :-D
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<OscarL> *least
<Begasus> it already did yesterday, doing some finetuning (the shared library isn't build/installed for instance, so maybe add into a seperate package as some do) :)
<Begasus> make -j1
<Begasus> make -j1 -C src/nmath/standalone
<OscarL> meanwhile... I just added "sed -i '/#define FEATURE_ICU 1/d' ./config.h"... only to get: "../x86_64-unknown-haiku/bin/ld: cannot find -lseekscli" in the end :-(
<Begasus> oh joy :D
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<OscarL> Begasus: BTW... there's no "seeks" results on https://depot.haiku-os.org/
<Begasus> mentioned earlier, is it worth the effort? ;)
<OscarL> I thought there was a package, as the recipe is not disabled :-(
<Begasus> maybe just nuke it with the laser from jmairboeck :)
<OscarL> tempting :-D
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<Begasus> from pkgman: No matching packages found
<OscarL> same on 64 bits.
<Begasus> I don't think anyone is missing it
<OscarL> Switching to 32 bits to see what that "torrentor" is all about.
<OscarL> (at least that's from the HaikuArchives :-D
<Begasus> If you let go of seeks I'll push a change marking it as broken/obsolete
<Begasus_32> grabbing r_x86-4.2.2-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg and moving it to /Opslag/haikuports/packages/r_x86-4.2.2-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg
<Begasus_32> grabbing r_x86_devel-4.2.2-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg and moving it to /Opslag/haikuports/packages/r_x86_devel-4.2.2-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg
<Begasus_32> grabbing r_x86_mathlib-4.2.2-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg and moving it to /Opslag/haikuports/packages/r_x86_mathlib-4.2.2-1-x86_gcc2.hpk
<Begasus> so far good :)
<OscarL> I was thinking in adding at least the "-std=c++98" flag, and maybe the sed lines, just in case a future masochits wants to give it another spin...
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<OscarL> I mean.. adding those things... and disabling it for good :-D
<Begasus> ah, fine by me, just push a change to mark it as broken then :)
<Begasus> for history it could be kept
<OscarL> yup.
<Begasus> and fix the typo :)
<OscarL> yeah :-D
<OscarL> Rebooting into 64 bits again to push those changes before I forget.
<Begasus> ps, on torrentor I had conflicting int types :)
<OscarL> ARCHITECTURES="!all !x86_gcc2" and SECONDARY_ARCHITECTURES="!x86" should be enough, right? (to mark it as disabled?)
<Begasus> yep
<Begasus> that marks it as broken (which it is) :)
<Begasus> "?" marks untested
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<OscarL> mmm
<OscarL> forgot one comment :-D
<OscarL> ready. heh, I forgot to hit save once more before the last commit --amend :-D
<Begasus> :P
<Begasus> cleaning and rebuilding R
<mooes> heya Begasus: I finally got everything to compile with X11 enabled, although it doesn't actually work since the X11 support is missing some features. waddlesplash has added something to xlibe which might help, but that would require bulding xlibe from the git repo.
<mooes> in any case, thanks again for your help in giving me the right hints to get this working at all
<Begasus> if waddlesplash is ready and something needs to be changed I'll guess he will update the package on haikuports
<Begasus> nice seeing teamwork :)
<Begasus> got the latest build ready I guess, added the mathlib and a devel package there
<mooes> yeah, I assume sooner or later this will trickle into the released version, so I can try again at that point
<Begasus> for now it will be fine to use the current one (no X involved prior)
<mooes> the next challenge will be building RStudio :) but I think that will be miles more problematic and maybe even impossible
<Begasus> link?
<OscarL> fucus Begasus!
* OscarL hides
<mooes> it's electron ...
<Begasus> fucus OscarL ?
<OscarL> dam... focus...
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<OscarL> you know my typing superpowers already!
<Begasus> hmm ... does Geany support R?
<Begasus> yep OscarL :P
<mooes> yes, I rebuild without X11 support since with it, I actually got some crashes with R. to me, it's really not a big issue if graphs are created as pdfs.
<mooes> I actually don't use RStudio myself, but the vast majority of R users do. For me, a simpler text editor will do, so maybe something like Geany
<mooes> Geany def has R syntax support
<Begasus> well Geany has been ported, I just don't see any R example in there :)
<mooes> will give it a try
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<Begasus> biab
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/47e2a9baa7b9...90c989f94e08
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL 90c989f - seeks: mark as disabled. (#7720)
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<OscarL> "torrentor" is really broken too. But seems that what's broken is the bundled copies of "libtransmission" and "libudp". Tempted to do "hp -b transmission", and copy the resulting patched files over to torrentor, to see if it helps, heh.
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<Begasus> stepping out in a bit again :)
<Begasus> OscarL, there is a reason it's called Haiku"Archives" ;)
<OscarL> maybe another recipe to disable then :-D
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> <OscarL> ""torrentor" is really broken too..." <- Anything a "newbie" can fix?
<OscarL> This one looks a bit complicated BarmenduChakraborty[m] :-(
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> okay :(
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> I'll keep looking for easier issues, but if you find something relatively simple to fix, do hit me up OscarL (baby steps :) )
<OscarL> (I would hate that you get frustrated dealing with old code that has issues left and right.)
<OscarL> BarmenduChakraborty[m]: will keep that in mind!
<OscarL> did any search for "(easy)" over the issue tracker yet?.... let me see...
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> * reads learning to program with Haiku meanwhile
<Begasus> +1
<OscarL> BarmenduChakraborty[m]: https://dev.haiku-os.org/search?q=%28easy%29
<Begasus> I can't get through lesson2 without copy/paste ;)
<OscarL> Begasus: samesis :-D
<Begasus> bbl :)
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<OscarL> see you!
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> :)
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> OscarL: Does this have 3rd party issues too?
<OscarL> (darn that link is full of closed issues already :-D... sorry!)
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> I mean issues of 3rd party apps?
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> OscarL: Oh okay
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Nevermind. Will definitely find others
<OscarL> That one would be mostly for system stuff, but considered "easy", at least from the actual developers.
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<win8linux[m]> <mooes> "I actually don't use RStudio..." <- Kate/KWrite has R syntax support, too.
<win8linux[m]> They also blend in better with the rest of Haiku as well.
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> OscarL: Thanks OscarL . Will look into it.
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<n0toose[m]> what's haiku's current status with go?
<n0toose[m]> *golang
<OscarL> no-go :-P
<OscarL> there's an old version I think.
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<OscarL> too old to build the "micro" editor at least :-(
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<mooes> win8linux[m]: thanks for the tip -- will also check it out
<mooes> installing Haiku for the first time directly on a laptop (T410S) ...
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<mooes> so far so good; boot fine; wifi works
<bjorkintosh> mooes, it's predecessor was very well designed, that's why haiku works nicely.
<bjorkintosh> *its.
<mooes> yeah, i figured that it would run on something like a t410 very smoothly
<mooes> unfortunately, this one only has a regular hdd. getting hold of one of those 1,8'' ssds is tricky, so might have to do something with an adaptor.
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<mooes> still runs smooth as butter
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<mooes> and sound works as well, nice.
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<OscarL> jmairboeck: seems like 8.6.12 could be removed as well when updating to 8.6.13, no?
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<bjorkintosh> mooes, also the old games work too. I replayed prince of persia after so many years.
<OscarL> not much requiring "lib:libtcl8.6": https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/search?q=lib%3Alibtcl8.6
<jmairboeck> yes, I did that, by renaming the recipe
<OscarL> doh! silly me :-D
<jmairboeck> the question is about 8.6.11, which is also still around
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<moooes> test test ...
<bjorkintosh> shouldn't you be moo-ing?
<moooes> :)
<andreasdr[m]> cocobean: Thank you very much! Will try very soon.
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<bbjimmy> When is the swap file used? and does its use change the Modified date?
<bbjimmy> It looks to me like it is never used.
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<OscarL> bbjimmy: before the system runs out of memory, it will try to free some by "unloading" the least used parts into the swap file.
<OscarL> not sure if it chages its timestamp.
<OscarL> With 2GB, I on a VM that I use to compile/test some Haikuports packages, my system doesn't seems to touch its swap either.
<bbjimmy> I see no difference between swap file enabled or disabled, the system eventually freezes with heavy memory usage.
<OscarL> But folks using apps like the Web/Ephipany browser, seem to hit it faster than I do :-D
<bbjimmy> Indeed
<OscarL> I tend to disable swap on Linux/Win too. If it needs to use the swap (and considering my HDD)... I rather let some processes die.
<OscarL> On this Haiku VM, I have a swap of only 100 MB, just because.
<x512[m]> andreasdr: Do you want to join RadeonGfx testing?
<andreasdr[m]> Yes!!!
<x512[m]> Can you build this form source or binaries are needed? https://gist.github.com/X547/292d5893da00098a924a8a0aa02d6a28
<x512[m]> hrev56685+ is needed.
<bbjimmy> I have 3853 mib of ram and 64 gib swap the system freezes quickly running Wen/Epiphany browser.
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<return0e[m]> OscarL: Speaking about the Go port earlier, we do have a recent higher version cross-compiled thanks to Korli. Here’s a post about it with a screenshot: https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/help-with-porting-golang/11185/14
<OscarL> thanks for the info (and link) return0e[m]!
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<OscarL> "The one problem is the use of fork/exec for go compilation which requires a good swap on Haiku." <<< see bbjimmy? some use case for the swap file :-P
<OscarL> (from a comment by korli on the link shared by return0e[m])
<OscarL> it would be nice to see if that can be used to produce binaries for https://micro-editor.github.io/
<Skipp_OSX> virtual memory is a fad
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<andreasdr[m]> x512: will try cocobeans hpkg first and if this is not working Ill build it myself.
<x512[m]> That HPKG is probably obsolete.
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<andreasdr[m]> Ok I see.
<andreasdr[m]> From yesterdays night?
<andreasdr[m]> Let me check this later today. Need to work for money first.
<andreasdr[m]> Bills Bills Bills.
<andreasdr[m]> Ill try the next days at latest. Ill come back to you.
<x512[m]> It need some assistance to run.
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<andreasdr[m]> Oh I see.
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<bbjimmy> I just had to reboot after loosing my keyboard from a low memory instance. I could kill Web, but the keyboard never came back.
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<bbjimmy> Is there a stamp in the syslog for use of the swap file?
<Skipp_OSX> I would imagine not since it is meant to be transparent
<bbjimmy> I never see the swap file modified date change
<bbjimmy> It looks like the swap file is never being used.
<bbjimmy> The modified and created date are identical
<OscarL> bbjimmy: you could use ActivityMonitor to... well, monitor, the swap usage.
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<OscarL> in case it is not showing that stat for you... right click on any graph and select "Swap space" (makes more sense to add it to the memory graph but you can use any other)
<OscarL> The VirtualMemory preflet also seems to show its current stats.
<bbjimmy> Virtual mermory always shows 0.
<bbjimmy> I'll try again to see of I can detect swap usage.
<OscarL> See if ActivityMonitor is more accurate, might uncover a bug on the preflet.
<OscarL> The slider on the VirtualMemory preflet is really infuriating,ç
<OscarL> You can't control it with the keyboard, and good luck trying to hit a particular value with the mouse.
<OscarL> 1 -> 32 -> 93 -> 154 (MB) <<< that's doing the smallest movements I can :-D
<OscarL> found a couple inbetween 62 and 123...
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<OscarL> I would expect it to both let you write a value, and for the slider to use more regular increments (128/256/512/etc)
<Begasus> k, preparing fo tomorrow, what's the best IRC client there? ;)
<Begasus> for Windows*
<OscarL> I'm just using it via https://webchat.oftc.net/
<Begasus> I like something native(sh) :)
<Begasus> Don't want to rely on web if not need be
<Begasus> Familiar :)
<OscarL> "Copyright © mIRC Co. Ltd. 1995-2023" been around a bit, yes :-D
<Begasus> This laptop will be replaced tomorrow with another one, so IRC is a NEED to HAVE :)
<jmairboeck> I used ChatZilla in SeaMonkey before, but that is a bit of a legacy thing nowadays
<Begasus> Out again ...
<Begasus> cu l8r
<OscarL> adieu!
<andreasdr[m]> x512: I need a casing for my new TinkerPC and then place it on my desk. Then I have easy access. Will grab a casing soon.
<andreasdr[m]> Arrrr.
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<bbjimmy> system re-booted without a request from me.
<bbjimmy> swap space is finally showing used after 99% or fam is used and cache space is doen to 1%. Swap is never used more than 750mib per activity monitos, but Virtual memory applet always displays 0 bytes.
<bbjimmy> *of ram
<bbjimmy> *down
<bbjimmy> *monitor
<andreasdr[m]> I also noticed with 16GB RAM crashes due to high memory usage with Epiphany.
<andreasdr[m]> With BETA4
<OscarL> bbjimmy: Was the reboot a "clean reboot" (apps closing, system shuting down, etc) or just a harsh reset?
<andreasdr[m]> Now I have 32GB of RAM in my TinkerPC and everything worked OK.
<bbjimmy> harsh reset
<OscarL> might have been an out-of-memory situation.
<x512[m]> Epiphany works for me with 8 GB of RAM.
<andreasdr[m]> Ok. Strange.
<bbjimmy> I have 3583Mib
<OscarL> Regarding the VirtualMemory preflet showing always zero... would be nice if you opened a ticket for that.
<andreasdr[m]> Maybe it was a early BETA4 issue that I had. I had this with BETA4 on my new laptop.
<andreasdr[m]> With 16GB of RAM
<andreasdr[m]> I can reproduce. I am pretty sure.
<andreasdr[m]> Ephiphany is nice. Dont get us wrong x512.
<andreasdr[m]> Thanks for all your efforts.
<andreasdr[m]> The first really usable browser on Haiku.
<x512[m]> Some heavy web site? A lot of tabs?
<andreasdr[m]> Hmm. Maybe like 4-8 tabs. Not really something strange. If it helps I can try to reproduce.
<andreasdr[m]> Sure Twitter is heavy for sure.
<bbjimmy> Epiphany needs to close completed WebKitProcess taske
<bbjimmy> I was trying to uswe all memory, swap should have been used to reduce the pressure of low memory and keep the system running although maybe slower than normal instread of hard crashing.
<OscarL> heh, RAM FS shows it is using "-1.67 GB" of RAM :-)
<x512[m]> ramfs statistics are probably bogus.
<x512[m]> ramfs also have no clear concept of free space. Its free space if free RAM.
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<OscarL> Makes sense... but its also funny :-)
* OscarL prentends he got some free ram instead.
<x512[m]> ramfs is introdused mostly for Wayland and Epiphany, it use file descriptors for shared memory.
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<OscarL> Copying a folder with some files there and asking for the "Get Info" dialog also shows "0 bytes", but Tracker displays the correct file sizes for the files.
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<win8linux[m]> x512: Were there any kernel changes needed for RadeonGfx to work?
<win8linux[m]> Asking since you recommended a specific hrev for it earlier.
<x512[m]> Specific hrev is libbe.so change to allow using user defined area for BBitmap.
<x512[m]> Published version do not use kernel changes yet.
<x512[m]> https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/tag/?h=hrev56685 is needed for mapping BBitmap memory to GPU and avoid additional memory copy.
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<win8linux[m]> By any chance, have you also looked into Intel GPU acceleration (especially ANV)?
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<Begasus> heading down here, g'night peeps!
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<x512[m]> Intel GPU hardware acceleration may be difficult because open source drivers are very Linuxish.
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<x512[m]> Supporting Nvidia seems easier.
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<Blendie> i've installed haiku on my thinkpad x240, after a short while of using networking stops to work
<Blendie> is there a fix to that?
<Blendie> i've installed beta4
<Skipp_OSX> ipro220?
<Blendie> not sure
<Skipp_OSX> x240 can take a couple different cards
<Blendie> i think it's intel
<Blendie> any fix to that?
<Skipp_OSX> yeah usually is Intel from factory I thinkl
<Skipp_OSX> that is the Intel Pro 220 (ipro220)
<Blendie> so is there a fix to that
<Blendie> ?
<Skipp_OSX> So no way to fix but it should already be working
<Skipp_OSX> ok one fix that is possible, is that if you turn 2.4ghz on your wifi router that usually works better than 5ghz for whatever reason
<Skipp_OSX> you want WPA2 on as well but that's usually on so I would imagine you already have that.
<moooes> okay, tried geany - but it doesn't seem to support piping commands from a script to the terminal. then tried kate - it crashes when trying to configure it (settings).
<moooes> wait, now it doesn't crash ...
<Blendie> i'm disappointed
<Blendie> well what could you expect
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<moooes> okay, it stopped crashing for some mysterious reason ...
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<moooes> okay, so with kate, I can pipe commands from an R script to the terminal (need to install konsole for that), where I have R running. This comes pretty close to a workable workflow for R.
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<moooes> instead of Kate, this might be an interesting alternative: https://rkward.kde.org/ might try to compile this
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<cocobean> x512: Hi... For Radeon_Gfx.... - please add Radeon HD 7790... technically, it was marketed under "Sea Islands"
<cocobean> (Bonaire XT)
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<cocobean> (but was originally Southern Islands part (Radeon Hd 7790 versus Radeon HD 8770)
<cocobean> The Radeon HD 8000-series are basically the same SI cards (so "just work" with Radeon_gfx) without GCN2 req.
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<x512[m]> > Radeon HD 7790
<x512[m]> > Graphics/Compute: GFX7 (gfx704)
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<cocobean> ok
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