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<andreasdr[m]>
Nice bbjimmy
<bbjimmy>
running from usb stick, need to figure out how to shrink the 1TB
<bbjimmy>
Windows partition then set up for eufi boot.
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<AlienSoldier>
x512[m] misse the early conversation... and that cause crash in the browser or do you refer to another problem?
<AlienSoldier>
*missed
<x512[m]>
AlienSoldier: Yes, missing UNIX DGRAM socket support may cause Epiphany crashes or processes left after exit.
<bbjimmy>
Sound works, network works, video works, usb kbd and mouse work, looks like I am in business
<AlienSoldier>
x512[m] one crash i can always reproduce with epiphany is a crash when i try to login to paypal.
<AlienSoldier>
don't know if it is related to IPC that said.
<AlienSoldier>
probably haiku specific, i don't think that bug would last long in gnome land.
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<bbjimmy>
waddlesplash kill -9 worked
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<AlienSoldier>
<AlienSoldier> I don't know if this is related to that but i think it is the second time i hang haiku with epiphany, no mouse not able to kill any app.
<AlienSoldier>
<AlienSoldier> And memory is far from full.
<AlienSoldier>
<AlienSoldier> event that seem to have triggered it is a copy link from a site.
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<waddlesplash>
x512[m]: do we have a ticket about this?
<x512[m]>
waddlesplash: About missing AF_UNIX+SOCK_DGRAM socket support? It seems no yet.
<AlienSoldier>
it say no media if i do, it only work if i have it mounted.
<AlienSoldier>
*it say "not mounted"
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<Begasus>
g'monring peeps
<Begasus>
morning*
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<andreasdr[m]>
Good morning there!
<andreasdr[m]>
I have a question. Did someone manage to boot VisionFive 2 already? I connected the USB C Power(using a Apple USB-C power supply) and stuff, but only a RED LED lights up near to power supply on board.
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<andreasdr[m]>
Also not 100% sure about Boot Pins.
<andreasdr[m]>
I tried eMMC and SDIO3.0
<andreasdr[m]>
Oh maybe I should get another USB C power supply.
<andreasdr[m]>
:x
<Begasus>
Moin andreasdr[m]
<andreasdr[m]>
Moin Begasus!
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<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
good morning Begasus andreasdr
<Begasus>
g'morning BarmenduChakraborty[m]
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
Hey Begasus
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
Can Haiku be extended to a secondary monitor?
<Begasus>
Never done it, so wouldn't really know
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
:(
<Begasus>
Think there are/were attempts for it, but can't tell how far they go atm
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
okay. Will make do with my laptop :)
<Begasus>
works for me too :)
<Begasus>
haven't got another monitor anymore, so couldn't test it
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
It just gets cluttered when I have to open 10 browser tabs to make sense of code. But I guess it is what it is
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<Begasus>
I use this laptop for searching/hunting things, the other laptop can do it's thing then :)
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
That's an alternative too :P
<Begasus>
And for some smaller projects I can always launch VMware here
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
is VMware better than VBOX?
<Begasus>
I always used VBox in Ubuntu, worked fine, on Windows it's too slow, so for me VMware does the job
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
I have been using VBox on my windows machine (and it does feel choppy). Maybe time to try out VMware
<Begasus>
I had both installed, untill I hit into problems with ethernet connection, removed VBox and "repaired" VMware, things are ok now
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
That reminds me
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
I forgot to switch to BETA 4
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
:P
<Begasus>
tsss :)
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
I'll do that right now
<Begasus>
running nightly?
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
I guess :I
<Begasus>
check the About box :)
<Begasus>
If so you are already on R1B4
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
It just crashed
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
:(
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
let me boot up again
<Begasus>
Patches welcome :)
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
hehe
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
Nah, it was R1B3
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<Begasus>
try in Terminal (pkgman full-sync)
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<Begasus>
if you are on nightly it should switch to R1B4 (nightly)
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<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
a lot of things are getting installed
<Begasus>
most of the newer packages from haikuports are being build with R1B4 now, that could explain weird behaviours (maybe)?
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
I guess I'll scrap B3 completely and grab the iso for B4 and start afresh
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
will make me look into vmware aswell
<Begasus>
Easiest I guess :)
<Begasus>
Time for the dogs here, and dog school in a bitt
<Begasus>
bbl
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
any heads up on VMware
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
okayy :)
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<PulkoMandy>
Hello :)
<PulkoMandy>
The "vision" for Haiku is not really written down anywhere, so we can change our minds about it over the years :D
<PulkoMandy>
Each of us probably has differwnt goals. There's BeOS compatibility but I think that's not really relevant to users anymore (it's aneinteresting technical experience to keep it running and see what compromises have to be made)
<PulkoMandy>
There's just having fun and learning to write and maintain an OS, and possibly using that as a remarkable experience on your resumé if you're later looking for a job in that domain
<PulkoMandy>
And also there's writing a nice, simple and polished operating system that fits our own needs
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<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
<PulkoMandy> "There's just having fun and..." <- So basically, its just developers doing developer things and trying to upskill themselves while creating something great, right?
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<PulkoMandy>
Yes, but also keeping the system usable. In my case Haiku is my main system on my machine so I have to keep it working sor that. Otherwise I'd probably work on something else :)
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<andreasdr[m]>
Coooool! I have the VisionFive 2 running newest official OS.
<andreasdr[m]>
Arrrrrr
<andreasdr[m]>
Its a bit slow. Let me test graphics.
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<HaikuUser>
hi
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<andreasdr[m]>
Hi
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<HaikuUser>
would it be enough to edit haiku/src/add-ons/media/media-add-ons/usb_webcam/Jamfile and comment out the "UVCCamDevice.cpp UVCDeframer.cpp" line
<OscarL>
Hi Begasus. Here I am (if only partially). Feeling slower than usual these days, thus why I remained off IRC (but did see your notifcation over GH).
<Begasus>
Hi OscarL !
<Begasus>
np, wanted to talk to you about libevent
<OscarL>
I'm all ears.
<Begasus>
is easier here then waiting on replies at GH :)
<Begasus>
I would leave the 1.* version enabled for x86_gcc2
<Begasus>
the newer ones already replaced it on secondary architecture
<Begasus>
drop the 2.* versions all together for the new (latest) version
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<OscarL>
(re IRCvs GH: sure, sorry about that :-( just... please excuse my slower than usual typing/thinking :-))
<Begasus>
that way, libevent will still be available on primary (gcc2 1.* version) and we only have one recipe for the newer 2.* version
<Begasus>
np, no hurry :)
<Begasus>
it's just that is my last day before RL hits here and I'm off to work during the day :)
<OscarL>
So, just to make sure.... keep enabled "libevent-1.4.14b.recipe" despite no package uses it? and leave the others as in the current PR ?
<Begasus>
keep libevent-1.4.14b.recipe enabled only for primary (x86_gcc2)
<Begasus>
drop (remove) all other 2.* version aside from the latest in the PR
<Begasus>
also libevent-2.0.21.recipe
<OscarL>
ARCHITECTURES="x86_gcc2" for 1.4, and just "git rm libevent-2.0.21.recipe", then, right?
<Begasus>
yep
<OscarL>
any change I'm missing regarding the "libevent-2.1.12.recipe" one?
<OscarL>
(just checking... I'm not trusting my brain too much these last few days :-D)
<Begasus>
don't think so, LGTM
<OscarL>
Ok... firing up the VM.
<Begasus>
thanks :) I'm doing a new build for R with all in one package
<OscarL>
BTW, I saw you mention some changes I did in smpeg2... and for the life of me... I couldn't remember those, until i re-read the PR for a second time, LOL.
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<OscarL>
Begasus: regarding R... I was *almost" finishing a longer reply to that one too, ha... but both and user "armgong" were too fast for me :-)
<OscarL>
*both you and...
<Begasus>
did a check he mentioned there, and indeed it doesn't work without the devel_package
<Begasus>
I'm not familiar there, so I rely on what is being reported, but this was/is a good way to see if something works as expected by the user
<OscarL>
My basic point would have been: separating headers ands such for runtime dependencies (the SDL example/case), makes sense, but for "programming environments" that also need to compile stuff as part of their normal operations... not so much.
<Begasus>
Checked here with mooes, so I thought it was fine, but it's good to get reports from other users that know about this :)
<Begasus>
Need to keep that in mind, thanks OscarL !
<OscarL>
Hopefully my wording is/was OK, Begasus. I would hate it if I sounded critical of all the amazing work you do!
<Begasus>
Nicked your patch for smpeg :)
<Begasus>
I can stand critical comments OscarL (as long as they are founded) :)
<Begasus>
Heck, I'm almost 60, I I'm abliged to make mistakes :P
<OscarL>
(if I ever came accross as harsh sounding, please always consider my poorly self-taught "English"... and even poorer people's skills :-D)
<Begasus>
Your typing skills are fine (up to now) :)
<OscarL>
"SECONDARY_ARCHITECTURES="!x86"" for libevent-1.4.14b.recipe sounds good?
<Begasus>
yep, although that will be passed away anyway as the newer libeven-2.* will be build for secondary arch
<Begasus>
libevent* (spoke too soone) :)
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<Begasus>
been looking into the LO recipe, issue at the forum mention it being linked against boost166, but the recipe mentiones: boostMinimumVersion=1.69.0
<OscarL>
oof, saw that one. I hope I never get near such dependencies :-)
<OscarL>
Push complete Begasus. Please double check, as I'm seem to be getting a bit better phisically, but the brain part is not following along :-( (darn covid)
<Begasus>
I'm in the blue there, works here, also with boost166
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<Begasus>
guess some revbump didn't get build ... won't be for any time soon now
<Begasus>
anothere boold issue ...
<Begasus>
bool* 'darn'
<Begasus>
LGTM OscarL
<OscarL>
nice.
<Begasus>
let's merge, could you take care of the revbumps (where needed)?
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
OscarL: could you help me make any sense of these?
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
What does "messages" here mean?
<OscarL>
BarmenduChakraborty[m]: Hi. Those "messages" are int32 "commands" used by "BMessage"s (will provide a link a moment)...
<OscarL>
what you see there as 'abcd', is a form of generating a value for those integer (32 bit long) values... by converting them from a "char" representation (not sure if my wording is OK, but is more or less on point).
<OscarL>
basically, you can send "messages" to apps/threads/whatever in BeOS/Haiki API... and those BMessage need to have at least a "command" field (can have plenty of other data fields).
<HaikuUser>
beghostview doesn´t work
<OscarL>
BarmenduChakraborty[m]: the C preprocessor will turn those "#define SUPER_COOL_MESSAGE 'sc_m'" into an int32 that can be used as the BMessage command field.
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
so basically we are defining RANDOM_NAME as an 'abcd' which is an int32 value, which has a specific meaning in context to BMessage?
<OscarL>
It is a form of a "Mnemonic" form, if you will, to write such int32, yes.
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
so do we define what the 'abcd' does?
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
or does it have a predetermined purpose
<OscarL>
Begasus: a bit lost reading that 1.4 failure, I'm afraid. Guess I'll have to switch VMs to my 32 install and try there.
<OscarL>
BarmenduChakraborty[m]: the idea is that it to make it "unique" enough as to not clash with other messages.
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
okay
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
and the BMessage argument can be a 'abcd' string?
<OscarL>
BarmenduChakraborty[m]: but I'm not certain if that applies across apps/teams/threads. Sorry.
<OscarL>
(I only ever did some minimal GUI work, and only if I had no other choice :-D)
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
XD
<OscarL>
that 'abcd' is not a "string".
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
int32 sorry
<OscarL>
the C preprocessor will turn it into a int32.
<OscarL>
np.
<OscarL>
just making sure I expressed myself right :-)
<harshit-sharma[m]>
I think it's called a four character constant, right??
<OscarL>
I believe so, harshit-sharma[m].
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<OscarL>
Begasus: so... I should open a different PR for fixing "libevent-2.1.12.recipe" PROVIDES (to read "libevent" instead of "libevent21", same with the "_devel" part, right?)
<OscarL>
those are the only ones that came out with those search terms.
<Begasus>
regular "libevent" OscarL (primary)
<printedz>
Oh ok thanks, it seems there's a driver for it now (?)
<Begasus>
so the --disable-static works :)
<Begasus>
OscarL, a bit weird that there are also "lib:lib*" in the devel package ...
<OscarL>
Begasus: you mean in the PROVIDES of the 1.4 recipe?
<Begasus>
yes
<OscarL>
printedz: np!
<OscarL>
Begasus: no idea... I didn't even touched those :-P
<OscarL>
printedz: one of the latest comments on the first ticket on that link read: "Driver was enabled by default in hrev56171. Any further problems please open a ticket.".. so... do that I guess :-P
<OscarL>
I really only wanted to nuke these old recipes, Begasus :-), only offered to disabled them as a middle ground :-P
<OscarL>
I have NO idea what's there because it is supposed to, vs.. being just old stuff that needs to be updated :-(
<Begasus>
np OscarL , didn't give it a further look uptill now :)
<Begasus>
let me take care of that one
<OscarL>
Grrr... "Waiting for...." but "deactivating" this time.
<Begasus>
hehe
<Begasus>
that's usualy not so bad :)
<OscarL>
I just nuke the work-* dir and give it another try...
<OscarL>
until I realize I didn't called "haikuporter -e" :-(
<OscarL>
ended without issues. awesome.
<OscarL>
will branch, push and open the PR for review.
<Begasus>
OscarL, there is "hp -c" for that :)
<OscarL>
sometime one works better than the other on my slow PC :-(
<Begasus>
you'd need a revbump for the 2.* version
<OscarL>
Also... "hp -c" would not help you save all the work you've done if you forgot to call "hp -e" :-( (happened way too many times to me)
<Begasus>
that one actualy build on the first run :)
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<OscarL>
ouch.
<OscarL>
told you I'm dumber than usual :-)
<Begasus>
got some other changes for the 1.* version, will post in a bit
<OscarL>
will force push in a bit.
<OscarL>
I'll wait then.
<Begasus>
doesn't take to long to build :)
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<Begasus>
OscarL, I see the manpages are installed in the base package, are they supposed to be there? (only binary I see in there is a python one?)
<Begasus>
and even that one is in the devel package
<OscarL>
This is my personal opinion only...
<OscarL>
for libraries... I would expect man pages only to be installed along with the "_devel" packages.
<OscarL>
no use for them for end-users (runtime-dependencies only).
<Begasus>
yeah, but for binaries they should be kept together with them, seeing the devel package only contains the binary the manpages should go to devel package also) IMHO
<OscarL>
"libraries" as in... SDL. libedit, etc.
<OscarL>
for things that include an interpreter, or at least a command line utility... then man pages makes more sense.
<Begasus>
yeah, got that
<OscarL>
man pages usually have some (n) associated with them, not sure how that's hadled, sorry...
<OscarL>
as in man(1) is for bins, man(3) (or it was man(8) ?) for libraries... etc.
<OscarL>
not sure if that can be determinied from the man pages before they get installed.
<OscarL>
man(3), appareintly, judging by the contents of the .hpkg file for the 1.4 recipe.
<Begasus>
it's man(3) in this case
<Begasus>
moving it to the devel package
<OscarL>
makes a lot of sense :-)
<Begasus>
k, final round (rebuild should be OK)
<Begasus>
then I'll paste what I have here for the 1.* version
<Begasus>
cleaned up quit a bit :)
<OscarL>
we should get better at using git at some point, as to better use it to share changes :-P
<OscarL>
(I'm still not confortable enough with it besides the basics :-D)
<Begasus>
I'm not good at big changes also for git :)
<HaikuUser>
Hey, new Haiku user here. This operating system is awesome!
<OscarL>
heh, I wish I knew how, LOL. It's autocomplete fits my workflow better than the one we have for bash at the moment, at least.
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<OscarL>
HaikuUser: glad to hear you like it! We love it too!
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<HaikuUser2>
it is, but it lacks uvc cam support, and hw accelerated mesa for intel
<HaikuUser>
Really? OpenGL is running pretty well on my Thinkpad iGPU
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<HaikuUser2>
is not accelerated
<printedz>
OscarL: What about fish shell?
<OscarL>
you might want to change your nick to something more recognizeable (spelling?) if you plan to stick around! ("/nick <new_user_name>" should do the trick)
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<printedz>
The autocomplete in fish shell is really nice
<HaikuUser>
test
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<triguy>
ayy!
<OscarL>
printedz: I started in DOS before it even had sub directories.... never got really used to non-DOS shells, I'm afraid... but bash had some cool features I've missed.... and click filled all the gaps for me :-)
<hknewbie>
triguy: I am using a nightly Haiku edition and my iGPU is not hw accelerated
<hknewbie>
if it were, webkit would run faster
<triguy>
ah i see
<printedz>
Is there support for encrypted drives?
<triguy>
all I know is GL teapot runs at 60 for me
<PulkoMandy>
Webkit problem isn't gpu acceleration, there are many more ways to speed it up
<hknewbie>
gl teapot can be done with ease on cpu
<triguy>
and in my test vm with 3x the threads only ran at 14
<bbjimmy>
OK. I have "shrunk" the main Windows 10 partition bu 97.66 Gib and installed haiku to it. How can I dual-boot? Right now I boot a usb sticj and select my haiku partition. I would like to have a boot manager allow me to select the partition but this is an eufi Windows install.
<hknewbie>
rennj: there's a Be theme from b00merang too
<bbjimmy>
*by
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<rennj>
meh..just use the real thing..
<rennj>
posers
<hknewbie>
rennj: I mean, there's a gtk3 port of abiword here in haiku
<hknewbie>
but by default it uses the horrible adwaita theme
<hknewbie>
so with the haiku or be themes it can look much better
<hknewbie>
and with a proper gtkrc the theme would match the haiku environment closely
<hknewbie>
ofc the haiku devs integrating qt have a much easier time because of both using C++
* OscarL
is just glad that bbjimmy actually mentioned using Haiku's "pidof" the other day.
<OscarL>
kudos to x512[m] for "pushing" me into actually write a C++ program for that (instead of only a bash script)
<hknewbie>
haiku is the easiest os to learn c++
<x512[m]>
hknewbie: What do you mean by 2D acceleration?
<hknewbie>
x512 sth like xv under unixen
<OscarL>
hknewbie: also the easies to learn to do some kernel level drivers too, IME.
<hknewbie>
but today since gl 2 days everything is gl accelerated
<x512[m]>
Don't understand.
<hknewbie>
x512[m] 2d graphics accelerated by the GPU
<rennj>
opensound from like haikur1alpha3 pkg i have here to test, just never got around to it
<rennj>
like 2011 pkg or something
<rennj>
pcem and 86box would offer way more choice
<rennj>
3dfx cards also
<x512[m]>
Some kind of 2D acceleration (solid fill, copy/blitting without alpha) can be easily implemented for Cayman-SI series of Radeon GPUs.
<hknewbie>
btw, could be posible to not update the contents of a window on resizing or moving?
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* OscarL
feels that Haiku is at that weird point (akin to the "uncanny valley") where people get annoyed for things they expect it should be there, but aren't... without realizing how few people actually "run the show".
<rennj>
BeReset app
<rennj>
another good app
<hknewbie>
bereset_
<hknewbie>
?
<rennj>
for restarting tracker/deskbar and services
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<rennj>
not on "soundplay" level
<rennj>
now that was nice mp3 player etc...
<hknewbie>
uh, I might edit the Dooble haikuport to enable some privacy/performance settings for qtwebkit
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<HaikuUser2>
Hi
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<rennj>
yeah old vm, got 2 compilers for beos 1999 and 2000 geekgadgets dev env. was better at compiling some software https://imgur.com/GfQxtZ5
<rennj>
and it came with x11
<rennj>
which kind a still works on haiku...
<hknewbie>
I tried to compile slashem from BeOS hints
<rennj>
Hotline fell into chaos when Adam Hinkley suddenly shut down the company's Web site and bolted from Vancouver -- taking the code for Hotline (a toolkit known as "AppWarrior") with him and encrypting everything that he left behind.
<rennj>
haha
<hknewbie>
sometimes I wish Intel provided beta drivers for iGPU's, but without support
<hknewbie>
such as ok, we did this as an exercise, don't call us on errors
<mooes>
is it possible to apply a layout in tracker to all folders, not just the current one?
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<printedz>
hknewbie: Haiku seems to have repositories served thru IPFS
<printedz>
There are no IPFS clients??
<augiedoggie>
mooes: depending on what you want to apply there is a template folder where you can set things up
<augiedoggie>
it will only be applied to new folders, folders that you've opened will already have a layout
<mooes>
ok, will try
<hknewbie>
printedz: try compiling a recent golang from go from the ports
<hknewbie>
then try compiling ipfs
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<hknewbie>
how can I compile Haiku with the extra decorators?
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<PulkoMandy>
You don't need to compile anything, just install the haiku_extras package
<hknewbie>
and, then, how could I switch into the Win decor?
<hknewbie>
in the preferences I can only see the Be and Haiku decors
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<hknewbie>
there was a command to change decors, but I can't remember it
<hknewbie>
setdecors just returns the FlatDecorator and the BeDecorator
<x512[m]>
hknewbie: Appearence preference.
<PulkoMandy>
Ah, maybe the windows one isn't in the package yet
<hknewbie>
not even in the source build?
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<PulkoMandy>
You can build it manually: "jam WinDecorator" and then install it in the non-packaged directory for testing
<PulkoMandy>
I can't provide more details now, not in front of a computer
<HaikuUser>
Wow, I was just super productive using Haiku. Just did some pretty serious graphic design work in Inkscape and had a very pleasant and stable experience. Glad to see a late version of Inkscape available, too!
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<vexmane>
i was going to install haiku on my old 2gb intel atom laptop tonight, before i forgot it at my gym
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<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
Hey PulkoMandy
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
I was just using paladin when I found out that the scroll option in Project -> Change system libraries is broken(I think.....)
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
Could someone please confirm this or am I doing something wrong :(
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<mbrumbelow[m]>
Barmendu Chakraborty: Its broken.
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
mbrumbelow[m]: :(
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
Thanks for the confirmation though
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<triguy>
Is there support planned for non x86 architectures?
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<xoblite>
Hey all
<xoblite>
Getting a lot of TCP related panics on the latest nightly, anyone else?
<xoblite>
(first triggered by WebPositive I think)
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<xoblite>
not sure how to best dump the kdebug though
<xoblite>
seems to be in dec21xxxx _prepare_bounce_buffer
<xoblite>
"PANIC: bounce buffer already in use!"
<xoblite>
need to reboot, bbl
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<x512[m]>
My old changes to 8Dock. Mostly Haiku style support.