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<mbrumbelow[m]>
waddlesplash: idualwifi7260 is exhibiting network stalls and loss of connection. The list of SIDs to connect to is then empty. Just an FYI.
<mbrumbelow[m]>
This is on three of my NUC’s that have idualwifi7260. So it is not just one machine.
<OscarL>
for the record... "plain" BFS iso images can still be mounted via simple double click from Tracker.
<rennj>
well good to learn i guess
<OscarL>
the thing with anyboot images is that they are a mix of several partitions. more like a full drive image, actually, I guess.
<rennj>
yeah multi partition
<rennj>
solaris cdrom iso same way
<rennj>
long before beos
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<rennj>
multitrack iso / el torito fs
<bbjimmy>
Why are there no decorators in r1beta4?
<rennj>
like beos iso with hsfs track
<rennj>
for crapple
<rennj>
cause booting on crapple hardware
<rennj>
what would RMS do?
<OscarL>
there was a bash script that used "dd", skipped some parts of the anyboot image, and you ended up with a "regular" BFS iso that could mount via Tracker. I always keep forgeting about "diskimage", so I hope https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/15759 gets some love eventually :-D
<rennj>
i know nothing about that...but i do know how to scan multitrack iso's
<OscarL>
bbjimmy: in case you missed my messages (you just disconnected/reconnected)...
<OscarL>
I'll repeat myself....
<OscarL>
bbjimmy: are you trying to mount an "anyboot" image?
<OscarL>
if that's the case, try with "diskimage register nameof_anyboot_image.iso"
<OscarL>
bbjimmy: for the decorators, you need to "pkgman install haiku_extras"
<OscarL>
I don't think all the decos are available there, but at least some of them are.
<rennj>
nin nin nin ...pkgman search first
<rennj>
failure to help you
<rennj>
well thats failure of haiku os...pkg/ports
<rennj>
fricking luser users..need to be hand held to the results
<bbjimmy>
ya I was tryingh to mount the r1beta4 iso. but pkgman install haiku_extras got me what I was looking for.
<OscarL>
bbjimmy: cool. Just in case, remember that Haiku images are "anyboot" images and not plain BFS iso as it was before. (those can still be mounted via double click on Tracker.... in fact, I have 3 of thouse I just recovered from some old CDs :-D)
<OscarL>
I just noticed that with the default "LC_COLLATE=en.UTF-8", sorting of files/folders on "midnight commander" is wrong. Calling it like "> LC_COLLATE=C mc" makes the sorting make sense again.
<OscarL>
does anyone else sees the same?
<OscarL>
(in my case.... folders/files starting with the letter "c" get listed first than anything else)
<Skipp_OSX>
I would think they'd be exactly the same for ascii
<OscarL>
s/first/before/
<OscarL>
Skipp_OSX: not in my beta4, apparently :-(
<Skipp_OSX>
:/
<rennj>
haha
<rennj>
man locale
<bbjimmy>
If a haiku iso file can be mounted then it should be just like any other ios and just double-click even if it is an anyboot image.
<OscarL>
I've reset all my locales to en/en_US.UTF-8... same thing with the broken sort ordering in mc.
<Skipp_OSX>
The a stands for "American" afterall
<OscarL>
I'm "american" too.... but from the south :-P
<bbjimmy>
OscarL Apparently it is low priority, the ticket is 3 years old.
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<OscarL>
bbjimmy: yup... I keep forgetting about it unless "that one time a year" I need to mount an anyboot image, and I have to start my search again :-D
<rennj>
south America doesn't count
<OscarL>
you don't either, rennj, we're even.
<rennj>
see wall/border crossing..policy of destabilization
<OscarL>
I have the feeling that I've read some change, more or less reacently, regarding "collate".... but can't find anything now :-(
<rennj>
yeah whatever OscarL ..facts dont lie ...see history
<OscarL>
rennj: quite the wall you'll need for me... as I'm Argentine.
<Skipp_OSX>
There is a BCollator class we use in Deskbar and Tracker to sort
<rennj>
the Monroe doctrine
<rennj>
south america is part of north america...see what happened to cuba
<Skipp_OSX>
But that is completely separate from the LC_* stuff and only affects apps that use the locale kit.
<rennj>
haha ...power!
<Skipp_OSX>
typically meaning GUI apps
<OscarL>
Skipp_OSX: yeah, maybe I'm just mis-remembering something. Time to file a ticket I guess.
<Skipp_OSX>
I guess in Spain they consider it all a single continent
<rennj>
we own this hemisphere
<rennj>
figure it out yet? noam chomsky cover all this
<Skipp_OSX>
That was written by John Q. Adams as secretary of state even though James Monroe gets the credit
<rennj>
cuba fuckking with russia...well you see how the embargo went
<rennj>
going on since JFK
<rennj>
The Monroe Doctrine was a United States foreign policy position that opposed European colonialism in the Western Hemisphere. It held that any intervention in the political affairs of the Americas by foreign powers was a potentially hostile act against the United States.[1] The doctrine was central to American foreign policy for much of the 19th and early 20th centuries.[
<OscarL>
Skipp_OSX: most of us Spanish (I hate that name, actually) speakers use "America" for the entire continent, and by simple transliteration, we kinda get pissed when we read it in English :-D (we still read it as the entire continent, not just USA) :-D
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<Skipp_OSX>
yes that's true it's a cultural difference
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* badkeming[m]
thought that was The Americas
<OscarL>
After some patient English speaker explains their use to us... we understand... but still do not condone :-P
<badkeming[m]>
(the whole continent)
<badkeming[m]>
but I don't speak any Latin language, so what do i know >_>
<badkeming[m]>
s/i/I/, s/>/>\/
<Skipp_OSX>
well I mean in America we see two continents North America and South America, but in Spain and Latin America they tend to see one giant American continent.
<rennj>
In the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962, President John F. Kennedy cited the Monroe Doctrine as grounds for the United States' confrontation with the Soviet Union over the installation of Soviet ballistic missiles on Cuban soil.[
<Skipp_OSX>
It's kind of like how there is a European continent and an Asian continent even though it's really one big l landmass
<OscarL>
badkeming[m]: yup, that's what I'm referring to... that's the corrent in English, but us with a poorly self-taught English... being from "America" our entire lives... the transliteration is hard to avoid.
<badkeming[m]>
I understand -- I was just pointing out that in English, the Spanish/Latin America use of "America" would be translated to "The Americas" in the US.
<Skipp_OSX>
Land of the plumed serpent
<badkeming[m]>
(yes, it's weird)
<rennj>
we own this end of hemisphere it real simple
<rennj>
u.s.a. fuck yeah!
<rennj>
you know southpark movie...
<badkeming[m]>
I hope you're being somewhat sarcastic at least...
<OscarL>
or at least a bit drunk
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* badkeming[m]
was an exchange student in the US Midwest for a year
<badkeming[m]>
I've never returned.
<Skipp_OSX>
It was the US showing its strength to would-be European colonial powers
<rennj>
southpark team america movie..you know the puppets
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<rennj>
team america world police
<AlienSoldier>
For Canadian, America is not just the USA
<Javanx>
"Your browser can't play this video", you know...
<badkeming[m]>
Pax Americana is real. One of the things the US stipulated after WWII was that France and the UK give up their colonies (despite both being counted "victors"). Both France and the UK rebelled at that, but their loss of the Suez canal cemented it.
<Skipp_OSX>
America is the only country on Earth with freedom of speech, or it used to be.
<badkeming[m]>
Many of the (weird) borders in the middle east (and Africa) today was a result of France and UK dividing up the middle east after Turkey (who was allied with Germany in WWI) lost eminent domain of the Levant and Palestine. The british even promised Palestine to, well, the Palestinians. We're still living with the consequences of the poor decisions from back then >_>
<badkeming[m]>
Skipp_OSX: Do you believe this? Honestly?
<badkeming[m]>
Because it's demonstrably false.
<badkeming[m]>
(in current day terms)
<badkeming[m]>
Freedom of speech evolved from satire in the age of enlightenment
<Skipp_OSX>
Well it's still on the books, but in practice you're right, the freedom has been taken away
<Skipp_OSX>
But it's still not like Germany where people are literally in prison for speech
<badkeming[m]>
You're deliberately misreading me. Freedom of speech is alive and well in Europe. In germany, the kind of hate speech that led to the rise of the NSPD is banned (with good reason, I might add)
<Skipp_OSX>
right so there is no free speech in Germany
<Skipp_OSX>
or Europe or Canada or pretty much anywhere
<badkeming[m]>
That's a very ... absolutist view.
<Skipp_OSX>
and without freedom of speech, there is no democracy
<badkeming[m]>
But, hey, you do you.
<Skipp_OSX>
because if you don't have access to dissent you can't make an informed vote
<Skipp_OSX>
so there is no democracy in Europe either
<rennj>
eh?
<badkeming[m]>
This reads like Erasmus Montanus to me
<rennj>
mr. anti vax is going to talk about governments
<badkeming[m]>
"A stone can't fly, your mom can't fly, ergo your mom is a stone"
<rennj>
Skipp_OSX, doesnt get a say
<rennj>
mr . antivax
<Skipp_OSX>
well yeah I am the king
<rennj>
they don't participate in society
<rennj>
mr. antivax
<rennj>
go live on island
<badkeming[m]>
I literally participated in a free and democratic election not three months ago and enjoy the benefits of a free and independent press.
<rennj>
no man is an island...
<Skipp_OSX>
first of all I don't know what you are talking about with vaxx I wasn't even talking about that
<badkeming[m]>
* democratic election here not three
<rennj>
Skipp_OSX, mr. anti vax!!!!
<Skipp_OSX>
ok I guess lol
<badkeming[m]>
So, anyway, BeOS was kind of cool
<rennj>
how was the covid?
<rennj>
follow science much?
<Skipp_OSX>
This is going in a strange direction
<rennj>
haha
<badkeming[m]>
And I hear Haiku is kind of cool too.
<rennj>
freak...
<Skipp_OSX>
badkeming[m] no you didn't because not every viewpoint was legally allowed so it wasn't a free election
<Skipp_OSX>
it was a controlled election
<badkeming[m]>
blah blah blah -- you have no idea what you're talking about (otherwise you wouldn't be spouting that kind of nonsense)
<Skipp_OSX>
all I'm saying is that free speech is a prerequisite to a democracy
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<rennj>
why would anyone listen to an anti-science goof is beyond me
<badkeming[m]>
like, odds are you've never been to the country in which I live, much less studied its history and the state of its freedom of speech.
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<Skipp_OSX>
where is this anti-science talk coming from?
<badkeming[m]>
whereas I've visited the country in which you live and have made every attempt to understand its history and its particular form of government and public life
<rennj>
mr anti vax is anti science..have you not figured that out.?
<Skipp_OSX>
of well if they have freedom of speech in your country then sure then they can have free elections too.
<Skipp_OSX>
I'm neither
<rennj>
how many vaccine shots? Skipp_OSX ?
<rennj>
how many boosters?
<Skipp_OSX>
0
<rennj>
right mr. anti science
<rennj>
see
<rennj>
zero nihil nothing
<Skipp_OSX>
I forgot we had this convo before
<rennj>
of course you did, mental midget
<rennj>
stupid does
<rennj>
avoid those shots...
<Skipp_OSX>
oh God now we have ad-homenims I was just sharing my perspective
<phschafft>
I wonder why it's not morder when a non-vaccinated infects someone. must be some kind of /freedom/....
<rennj>
claim something!
<rennj>
cause mrna is scary science
<Skipp_OSX>
because I have absolute authority over my body as do you
<Skipp_OSX>
over yours...
<rennj>
like rna floating in space...proves your god wrong
<phschafft>
maybe you cannot have free elections without free killing of others? eh...?
<badkeming[m]>
and have, on balance, decided that the "United" States of America is legitimately turning into what (unless you're in the 1% who can do whatever they want as long as they have the money to do so) effectively functions as a 3rd world country, with gridlocked politics, no access to what is considered basic services and rights in less uncivilised countries and an alarming debt and underinvestment in the infrastructure and social pact that forms
<badkeming[m]>
the foundations of a functioning democracy.
<rennj>
cant have that! proof my god wrong
<phschafft>
Skipp_OSX: so killing is not a crime, yes?
<Skipp_OSX>
yeah USA has problems
<OscarL>
your failure to vaccinate endangers others. in a society... that's not good.
<phschafft>
because... that only could happen if you would allow the person to kill you...
<Skipp_OSX>
but of course there is risks
<Skipp_OSX>
it's not 100% safe, so it has to be a personal decision
<badkeming[m]>
That said, I find it sad that most normal and decent Americans are being treated like they are, because the ones I had the chance to meet and talk to were down to earth, decent humans beings.
<phschafft>
but whatever. have better to do than to chat with /subjects/.
<phschafft>
have a nice evening everyone!
<Skipp_OSX>
k later
<badkeming[m]>
you too =)
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<badkeming[m]>
Here, a study was made and published that showed that people vaccinated against CoViD were more likely to take a dim view of people who chose to not get their shots. Something about viewing them as deliberately irresponsible in terms of the general public good.
<badkeming[m]>
(I got my three shots and have experienced no ill effects so far, but that's just anecdata)
<badkeming[m]>
anyway, that's quite enough politics for me for one evening.
<badkeming[m]>
(and apologies to everyone who had to be subjected to this tripe)
<Skipp_OSX>
yeah sorry I didn't mean for the convo to go that way
<OscarL>
this "conversation" cemented something in me... we tend to "like" the people we agree with.
<Javanx>
ArgueOS
<OscarL>
Javanx: and NOW you came up with that? you're a bit too late for the name voting! :-P
<Javanx>
:-P
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<badkeming[m]>
Skipp_OSX: I don't know if you're aware, but the period in which the US of A was at its geopolitical and national best coincided with the period where it collected the most revenue via the IRS.
<AlienSoldier>
vaccines are a local maxima in math. A war of the worlds scenario is a global maxima. I don't take camp it all have to do if you want to protect individual or a whole ecosystem.
<badkeming[m]>
The "modern" reagan theory that taxes are evil and that "trickle down" economy works has been thoroughly and completely debunked in terms of economic research.
<HaikuUser>
Testing Beta 4. Awesome so far!
<badkeming[m]>
And you're now living the consequences of underinvestment in basic services, public education and infrastructure across the country. It's sad to watch and entirely fixable.
* OscarL
just wanted to see if anyone else was having the same issue with LC_COLLATE...
<badkeming[m]>
Great to hear =)
<badkeming[m]>
the mc example you gave was a bit weird, agreed
<Skipp_OSX>
yeah I mean I agree, America is no longer a democracy either, used to be, but not anymore
<OscarL>
HaikuUser: awesome! hopefully this "taste" of the IRC channel is not enough to drive you off :-D
<rennj>
haha
<rennj>
quitter
<rennj>
cant handle the heat in the kitchen
<rennj>
this anti vaxxer you going to let run the channel into the ground?
<rennj>
Skipp_OSX, is crazy, code and him is to be avoided..its real simple....
<OscarL>
rennj: you're tone doesn't exactly helps your cause. Just saying.
<OscarL>
you need to consider that not everyone is up to par with whatever you and he have exchanged so... keeping a cooler tone might help see things throw (sorry for the crappy English)
<rennj>
who cares about tone, this is facts
<HaikuUser>
Been following the project for some time, but Beta 4 seems a breakthrough. Quite useful.
<rennj>
mr. anti vax, is anti science..simple enough
<rennj>
real hard problem
<rennj>
haha
<OscarL>
if you don't care about tone... then understand that you are losing at least 50% of your audience. I've learned that the hard way-
<HaikuUser>
Wasn't able to get pip working in a Python 3.10 venv, but I haven't spent much time troubleshooting. Python 3.9 works great (and ships with Beta 4).
<rennj>
beos and haiku need a server!
<rennj>
client/server..you know that...
<rennj>
beos could barley handle internet let alone firewall routing
<rennj>
netserver vs bone7a
<badkeming[m]>
OscarL: I've never seen it put quite like that. But my experience tells me that you're onto something.
<rennj>
file server, web server, firewall...
<OscarL>
It is not enough "to be right". In fact... your tone alone can make people just avoid you. I know that's my personal experience with you in this channel. and I have been "accused" of "feeding the bots" (speaking of you and matt3).
<HaikuUser>
What hardware are folks using? I've got a no name low end box (Atom) but Beta 4 seems to run very well.
<badkeming[m]>
rennj: re. OscarL's comments, perhaps you might find this enlightening (given your stance on science, odds are you'll find it hard to agree with Mr. Munroe): https://xkcd.com/1357/
<badkeming[m]>
hard to disagree (sorry)
<OscarL>
badkeming[m]: I speak from experience, sadly. I grew up with a shitty "tone", because that was the way to stand up against bullies (my father included)... but I'm old enough to have learned that my tone can hurt too much, no matter how "right" I am.
<OscarL>
HaikuUser: There are some known issues regarding Python 3.10 and pip installs.
<badkeming[m]>
who here has tested the Radeon HD 79xx stuff?
<OscarL>
HaikuUser: in fact... I meant to try to fix that today... but... here I am :-(.
<HaikuUser>
Good to know about the Python 3.10 issues. Was wondering what was wrong. Thanks for looking at a fix OscarL.
<OscarL>
HaikuUser: Some Python related issues weere bothering me so much that I started to contribute back (the little I can, at least)...
<OscarL>
Good thing is that, as you say, 3.9 works, so I just need enough focus to see what went wrong with the 3.10 update :-D
<badkeming[m]>
how does Haiku handle parallel installations of e.g. Python?
<HaikuUser>
My 2 cents is that Haiku Beta 4 is higly functional. It has a nostalgic feel of Classic Mac OS without the instability and with a nice shell environment. Overall, just fun!
* badkeming[m]
wonders if perhaps this is the highest praise an OS / UX can achieve
<HaikuUser>
Parallel Python seems fine. Just pip issue with 3.10.
<badkeming[m]>
then again, I'd be preaching to the choir if I said that out loud >_>
<badkeming[m]>
is there a way to introspect what pip attempts to do?
<HaikuUser>
I'm amazed at the progress in Beta 4. Kudos to the devs!
<OscarL>
I will have to postpone the actual work for tommorrow, today, I'm just too tired already... but hey... at least I have everything setup and Python 3.10.9 running (still with the same bugs regarding pip)
<badkeming[m]>
like, is it a failure to use versioned python binary calls (`#!/<some path/python3.10`) ?
<HaikuUser>
Thank you, OscarL!
<OscarL>
(sorry for the lag, everyone... I'm a slow typist, with an even slower internet)
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<badkeming[m]>
OscarL: Why do you keep apologising so much my good man? From what I can tell, you're fine. Really. =)
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<HaikuUser>
Has anyone tried installing cronie? If so, what's you're experience with cron on Haiku?
<OscarL>
HaikuUser: if you'll stick around... be sure to use a more recognizable nick (use the "/nick SuperCoolName" command on your IRC client). Always nice to recognize people that way :-)
<HaikuUser>
I'm embarassed to say I don't know how to change the username. ;-)
<OscarL>
HaikuUser: for this session, just type "/nick YourNewName".
<HaikuUser>
Using the Vision client on Beta 4
<OscarL>
badkeming[m]: thanks, it means a lot, really.
<OscarL>
badkeming[m]: my "alter-ego"/"old-nick" is/was BiPolar..., because.... welll I'm actually bipolar :-D (with a heavy tendency to the depression part). So... most of my writing tends to be self-deprecating :-)
<OscarL>
(hopefully, in a humorous way)
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<HaikuFan>
Ah, that worked. New nickname. Thanks!
<OscarL>
HaikuFan: there, that worked! :-D
<OscarL>
at least for now :-D
<OscarL>
Let me see if I can find some instructions on how to change that more permaently.
<OscarL>
*whatever the correct spelling is :-P
<HaikuFan>
I'll look more closely at the Vision prefs, but am having too much fun messing with Beta 4. ;-)
<badkeming[m]>
OscarL: Just looked it up, so hope it's not too terribly inappropriate: "Alíviate pronto." (I know, not likely, but still, it's the thought that counts)
<badkeming[m]>
so, anyway
<OscarL>
badkeming[m]: of course that the thought counts!!! Thanks a bunch, good internet fellow!
<badkeming[m]>
^^
<badkeming[m]>
and on that note, I'll take my leave for now. Always interesting to hang out here ;-)
<badkeming[m]>
o/
<OscarL>
HaikuFan: Awesome problem to have: "too much fun to care" :-P
<badkeming[m]>
"long may it continue!" (?)
<OscarL>
badkeming[m]: be well!!!
<badkeming[m]>
be well to you too =)
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<HaikuFan>
I'm a big Linux and BSD person, but I gotta say, this is a well put together cohesive desktop-focused system. There's nothing else close to compare it to.
<OscarL>
HaikuFan: I've started with DOS before it had subdirectories... used Win/Lin to no avail... (still do, of course)... only BeOS, and later OpenBeOS->Haiku, hooked me up.
<HaikuFan>
I used BeOS back in the day and really liked it. But this re-imagining of BeOS is quite unique and refreshing.
<OscarL>
I've used BeOS R5 PE as my main OS from 2002 to ends of 2005 (first time was on mid/late 2001). It is indeed quite something.
<rennj>
proof or it didnt happen
<OscarL>
(even if I dislikes most of its "MacOS-ishs".
<rennj>
i got screenshots
<OscarL>
rennj: proof of what? you want my name on Haiku sources from 2005?
<OscarL>
or my nick name from 2003?
<rennj>
proof or it didnt happen
<rennj>
haha
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<HaikuFan>
I'll be testing more, but just wanted to say it's really good and the dev team has done an excellent job. Signing off for now. Thanks for the conversation.
<rennj>
should have used that printscreen key i guess
<rennj>
yeah freebsd kernel and solaris 8 from 2000
<rennj>
what you got again?
<OscarL>
and your contribution there was.... what?
<rennj>
heh find my boot beos cdrom instructions in Japanese
<rennj>
i dont need to contribute source, when i was doing back in solaris days...the need for c++ is beyond me
<rennj>
c++ im not wasting time on
<OscarL>
yeah... keep telling your self that.
<OscarL>
do you understand how unpleasant you are to interact with, rennj?
<OscarL>
Fuck... Even I feel sane around you.
<rennj>
im not interested in c++ plain and simple...
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<rennj>
nor learning beos api, beos needed servers
<rennj>
client server env
<rennj>
and beos was not stand alone at all
<OscarL>
then why are you still here?
<rennj>
firewall,nfs,dns caching server...
<rennj>
haha
<OscarL>
the only channel you weren't banned from yet?
<rennj>
the frontend to beos box..was whole system
<rennj>
ftpd,telnetd,sshd,nfsd you name it...servers
<rennj>
i dont expect you to understand really
<rennj>
crond for beos
<rennj>
haha
<rennj>
or top for beos
<OscarL>
be real.... you don't care about what others think, so...
<rennj>
like fred fish geekgadgets...i dont expect you to understand
<rennj>
you know X11 server for beos
<rennj>
cause beos came with X11?
<rennj>
haha
<rennj>
not
<OscarL>
"Disregard others" and all that jazz... I should listen more to you actually :-D
<OscarL>
Since around October I'm the one that interacted the most with you... the rest simply ignore you (even if after a few exchanged lines)...
<OscarL>
you still seem to not get the hint.
<OscarL>
"don't feed the troll the say"... and (knowing myself and) remembering that... I sign off, even if a tad too late.
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<rennj>
hah, ignore thats fine ill talk about MTU to someone else...haha last night
<rennj>
i dont recall you being any part of that conversation
<rennj>
beside raid levels or logical volume management...
<OscarL>
always on point and on topic, I see.
<OscarL>
I really understand that Haiku tries its best on being a welcoming community. But really... what we do gain for having you around?
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
Hi OscarL:
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
:)
<rennj>
i dont know what do you gain? accept someone calling you out....on the bullshit
<OscarL>
every time some one ask for some help... you reply with some ancient SunOS era knowledge.
<rennj>
stand up for mr. anti vax all you want
<rennj>
still anti science
<rennj>
as for code base, meh...so what?
<rennj>
linux does it better
<OscarL>
Really... SO MUCH help from rennj agaian?!?!? I can't take it!
<rennj>
too little too late
<rennj>
he who has the most dev's wins
<rennj>
where do you think development is going on?
<OscarL>
BarmenduChakraborty[m]: hello there! (and sorry for my tone right now :-()
<rennj>
solaris folks little too late in 2005
<rennj>
redhat did ipo when?
<rennj>
like 2000
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]>
OscarL: Nevermind 👀
<OscarL>
rennj: you are calling me out on what? fucking LOL???!!! where is your name in any source code near anything related to BeOS/Haiku?
<rennj>
it was 1999
<rennj>
redhat ip
<rennj>
redhat ipo
<rennj>
hehe redhat suckage on hardware till 2005 easy
<rennj>
dell megaraid controller...piece of junk
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<rennj>
dell/emc/vmware became a thing...but you didnt deal with that type of hardware
<rennj>
let alone sun or hp gear? or brocade/mcadata switches? or adic tape robots, or dvd robots.?
<OscarL>
rennj: your old stuff.. nobody here cares... otherwise we would be on one of those channels that have already booted you already.
<rennj>
pc @ home linux,freebsd,beos, is toys
<rennj>
you care when you rent from cloud
<rennj>
cause you dont have clue how to setup home server/home lan/netwrok
<rennj>
cause you dont have clue how to setup home server/home lan/network
<rennj>
smb/cifs/nfs/sshfs shares?
<OscarL>
I tould you this befoore, and I'll repeat myself... fuck off, rennj. Find ONE persone that wants you here.
<rennj>
haha
<rennj>
boot from network much? how about that?
<rennj>
bootp,tftp,rarp...before dhcpd
<rennj>
no floppy needed
<OscarL>
just... why are you still in this channel if you feel so negative to Haiku in general?
<rennj>
i'd like to see you bring up 500 beos/haiku boxes in a rack?
<rennj>
i was doing it before google
<rennj>
haha...solaris rocked
<OscarL>
Admit it... you''re a drunk, and this is the only channel you haven't been banned off yet.
<rennj>
jumpstart server on local lan segment...cause routers and arp/rarp tables
<OscarL>
Pease, rennj. To this channel, you do more worse than good. Can't you see that? Why then you don't stick to channels that are more in line with your (technological) interests?