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<rennj> Veritas odium parit!
<rennj> what do you think of using a gnu toolchain to bring up a system and then mit/bsd licensing it?
<andreasdr[m]> Good question. I guess there was no other way?
<rennj> when sony takes freebsd and creates a product
<rennj> playstation...
<rennj> cause mit/bsd license corporations can take and create product never give back..sweet deal
<rennj> beos radio / tunetracker the product
<rennj> the beos DaW system was nice also
<rennj> forget the company..could look it up...
<andreasdr[m]> I thought of using GCC to bring up FreeBSD 30 years ago as an example.
<rennj> tcc compiled linux kernel at 1 point
<rennj> tcc ffmpeg gemu
<rennj> same guy
<rennj> coder GOD
<rennj> tcc ffmpeg qemu
<rennj> also did javascript linux machine
<rennj> like the guy who did postfix/tcpwrappers
<rennj> and satan toolkit intrusion detection ...i.e. tripwire
<rennj> DB of files and checksums...periodically checked
<rennj> now we have readonly immutable os's...so avoid some of that hackery
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<Kokito> Good evening
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<rennj> https://imgur.com/ozWhicb 15+ years ago..i was doing immutable
<rennj> not sure of disconnect
<rennj> and i baked vmware-player into the os
<rennj> nested esxi haha, i could do long ago..
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<rennj> and i could have done it with xen,qemu,virtualbox, but i chose vmware...cause before esxi/esx/gsx was vmware-server which ran on linux, freebsd, winblow before intel/amd had vt-x/svm
<rennj> im really glad haiku and redhat silverblue got with the times...besides virtual machines and virtual os's....
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<rennj> evil maid and tmpfs have fun freezing the ram
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<rennj> start my craptop like my car, with keychain/flash thumbdrive, loads iso into tmpfs...thats immutable...powerdown im back to square one.
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<pairisto[m]> hello everyone! I am relatively new to open source and I thought this was a challenging and fun project to contribute to. what would you guys say is the best way to try and get started on contributing to this project and skills I should learn?
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<tqh> Checkout the sourcecode, learn to build and run your own images. (Don't be afraid to ask questions.) Then find small things in the OS or an app you think you can improve maybe.
<tqh> I started with writing small tools for BeOS myself, then helped porting Firefox, then working on the OS.
<tqh> Firefox for BeOS that was.. Not modern firefox
<badkeming[m]> tqh: There's a joke that this is the inevitable glide path when you begin doing BeOS/Haiku stuff xD (thanks to win8linux for pointing it out to me the other day)
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<tqh> :)
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<andreasdr[m]> Arr. My AMD 7950 has arrived. Will test very soon.
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<andreasdr[m]> cocobean: I already add a post to the NVIDIA Haiku forums thread.
<andreasdr[m]> added
<andreasdr[m]> 2 years ago or so
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<andreasdr[m]> x512 told for newer Nvidia cards a GL/VK hardware acceleration would be possible.
<andreasdr[m]> What a nice future.
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<andreasdr[m]> Oh I did not do the pos.
<andreasdr[m]> t
<andreasdr[m]> Hmm.
<nephele> Sure, it would be possible. Nobody investigated anything in that area though
<nephele> nVidia released a driver for linux which is open source, by basically moving the guts into a firmware microcontroller on the gpu itself. This makes it easier for us to reuse this also
<nephele> If anyone would start writing a driver anytime. Dunno
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<pairisto[m]> thx tqh
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<andreasdr[m]> nephele: Nice. At least Haiku could have a NVIDIA hardware rendering due to this.
<andreasdr[m]> So one step after another :)
<andreasdr[m]> Happy about RadeonGfx still.
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56718] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=ce41afe7f825+%5E8e2cd40d9ec4
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] ce41afe7f825 - tests/qemu-boot-test: Add initial arm64 boot test case
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<andreasdr[m]> Cool. I bought Quake2 on GoG. Time to play Q2 on Haiku :)
<andreasdr[m]> I just mean aehm I mean Q2 was a really good game. I loved it.
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<nephele> andreasdr[m]: as i said, nobody is working on it and nobody investigated it... so, don't get your hopes up
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56719] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=7cfd9e92cfe7+%5Ece41afe7f825
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 7cfd9e92cfe7 - tests/qemu-boot-test: Adjust arm64 cpu to max per David k.
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<cocobean> andreasdr: Congrats on "My AMD Radeon HD 7950 has arrived...". Welcome To The New Age....
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<cocobean> andreasdr: The forum post mentions Xplane 10/Radeon HD 7970 graphics performance. I rereviewed the same cards for X-Plane 12.
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<HaikuUser> hi there
<HaikuUser> i-m a super noob user
<Skipp_OSX> you're not fooling anybody rennj
<HaikuUser> not tryn to
<HaikuUser> i really am
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<Skipp_OSX> you really are rennj
<HaikuUser> :( no i'm max from italy
<Skipp_OSX> uh huh
<Skipp_OSX> bueno Italia
<HaikuUser> ...so excuse if my english is not perfect
<Skipp_OSX> exusi
<Skipp_OSX> (the Italian guy from Euro Trip)
<HaikuUser> ^_^ Italia Buono, Bueno is spanish
<Skipp_OSX> excuse my Italian
<HaikuUser> :D no prob
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<HaikuUser> can i ask something?
<HaikuUser> is haiku siutale on laptop?
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<Skipp_OSX> sorta, it can be used on a laptop, it has a battery monitor, but there are no power saving features whatsoever so you close the lid and the machine keeps running at full speed.
<HaikuUser> i have installed it on my old thinkpad, but some thing doesent work, like trakpad and internal webcam
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<Skipp_OSX> trackpad should be able to work, webcam probably not we just don't have the drivers for them
<Skipp_OSX> are you sure the trackpad isn't disabled in the bios?
<HaikuUser> actually the trackpad doesent, but i use a external mouse... But thanx
<HaikuUser> :)
<Skipp_OSX> yeah no webcam yet sorry, there are a few USB ones that are supported but not very many and I don't think any of the built-in thinkpad ones work.
<HaikuUser> i'm trying because i'm curious, after many years using win/mac/linux... i'v decided to give it a run
<HaikuUser> but i'm big noob and i don't know nothing about beOS
<HaikuUser> i think is maybe good if ai read the "beBOOK" ^_^
<Skipp_OSX> well we don't have 3d yet and the browser is not quite there yet but the system is functional for a lot of stuff and has some unique productivity features. Don't bother reading the BeBook that's more a programmers reference, what you want to read is the User Guide.
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<HaikuUser> tnx Skipp for the suggestion
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<HaikuUser> btw i'm not searching in haiku the 3d effect or other stuff like that but a ligt and functional sYstem to use and maybe reeplace the shiny OS so cute but so heavy
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56720] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=6b1db710f76d+%5E7cfd9e92cfe7
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 6b1db710f76d - docs/develop: introduce intermediate index for each section
<HaikuUser> tnx to all, i'll go in bed
<HaikuUser> seeya
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