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<waddlesplash> however, if you are interested in Python-related things, there is HaikuPorter, which is written in Python: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuporter
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<mukuld[m]> Thanks for the information and warm welcome @waddlesplash. I will continue to experiment and be on the lookout for opportunities to help.
<mukuld[m]> For the Python-related things, what mechanism do we follow? Do we make a pull request and then merge it back? Is there a specific branch being worked upon? Does every developer create their own branches to work? If there is a documentation I can refer to or even create, let me know. Happy to read offline and contribute
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<waddlesplash> we work in whatever the default branch is, there isn't much to it
<waddlesplash> well, I mean we merge things into whatever the default branch is
<andreasdr[m]> Arrrrrrr
<augiedoggie> woooooooof
<andreasdr[m]> :D
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<waddlesplash> kallisti5[m]: kudos for trying to untangle all the EFI serial stuff
<waddlesplash> that was really a mess, glad to see it's getting straightened out
<waddlesplash> I usually regret trying to fix stuff in the bootloader because it turns into a fiasco, my time is probably best spent elsewhere, so it's good to see the work being done :-)
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Hey waddlesplash ,could you help me with some third party stuff?
<waddlesplash> hm?
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> I was trying to read the DeskNotes source code to create an option for making the text Bold/italic
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> but I am a newbie
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> how do I find out what all the different classes do
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> I know about the Haiku API docs
<waddlesplash> well, then read the API docs :)
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> how do I search the docs?
<waddlesplash> right now, just use Google custom search; but more likely you don't need search
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> for a specific class
<waddlesplash> you just need to go to the class in qusetion
<waddlesplash> just choose Classes -> Class List in the menus: https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/api/annotated.html
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Okay
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> and how do I find out what these do - B_TRANSLATION_CONTEXT
<waddlesplash> that's for the Translation/i18n system
<waddlesplash> there's some explanation of that on this page
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> So I just gotta get my hands dirty till I figure out stuff
<waddlesplash> well, I don't know what other way there would be to do it :)
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> B-)
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Thanks waddlesplash
<waddlesplash> no problem, happy to help
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<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> can Haiku from virtual box be extended to secondary monitor?
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Good morning Begasus
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<Begasus> Morning BarmenduChakraborty[m]
<Begasus> How is coding comming allong?
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> I'm trying to incorporate different fonts into DeskNotes but I don
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> don't know how to
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> was trying to read the code of StyledEdit
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> but its too large and confusing
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> still, hanging on though
<netpositive> morning
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Good morning netpositive
<Begasus> morning netpositive
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> BarmenduChakraborty[m]: any ideas on this Begasus ?
<Begasus> I see waddlesplash guided you around a bit BarmenduChakraborty[m] :)
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Begasus: Yeah :)
<Begasus> nope sorry BarmenduChakraborty[m] , as mentioned when it comes to coding I'm a nood, can't even write "Hello Wold" in code without copy/paste :P
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> No problems :D
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<Begasus> I do know my recipes though ;)
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Begasus: You sure do!
<mukuld[m]> Is there a problem y'all are working on that I could possibly look at and see if I can help?
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<rennj> port firefox over
<rennj> hehe
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> mukuld[m]: A lot of stuff goes on around here. Do check the bug-tracker for ongoing issues, or the HaikuArchives github repository to find issues related to third party apps
<rennj> Translate websites in your browser, privately.
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> rennj: Was thinking the same about VS code. I wish it could be brought to Haiku :(
<mukuld[m]> Ok. I got the SysAdmin related repos earlier today. Any other repos I should be looking at?
<mukuld[m]> I am looking at haikuporter and infrastructure repos
<Begasus> haikuports? (plenty of issues there) :)
<mukuld[m]> Ack
<Begasus> Some issues at haikuporter also (python related)
<rennj> pypi backdoor you either way
<rennj> pkg manager supply chain
<rennj> so will pip
<mukuld[m]> I saw 81 issues. Will check some out
<rennj> old news at this point
<rennj> java log4j no diff
<rennj> malicious dependency chain
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/da632b20cbac...26253e5fa305
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 26253e5 - espeak, remove static library (#7741)
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<rennj> supposedly nlp ml can do it better text to speech
<rennj> Text to Speech using Natural Language Processing
<rennj> i want it all non cloud based
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<rennj> CES amd cpu smoking comes with that matrix multiplication/linear algebra foo backed in
<rennj> the Ryzen 9 7940HS
<rennj> AMD CEO Lisa Su made bold claims about its performance, saying it's
<rennj> up to 30% faster than Apple's M1 Pro chip.
<rennj> the new AMD Ryzen 7040 series will offer 30+ hours of video playback in ultr
<rennj> athin notebooks.
<rennj> Built directly into the series of chips is Ryzen AI, a dedicate
<rennj> d AI engine embedded in the processor.
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<win8linux[m]> <BarmenduChakraborty[m]> "I'm trying to incorporate..." <- Look into TakeNotes, a similar app that does have this feature.
<rennj> Obsidian-1.1.8.AppImage
<rennj> A web-based notes app for developers.
<rennj> my god the horror, the horror
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<matt3> hello
<rennj> oh the trinity has joined...
<rennj> the supreme troll
<matt3> xD
<rennj> asshole
<rennj> trolling #haiku least you were banned from ##amiga..haha...
<matt3> why?
<rennj> feed the troll
<matt3> xD
<rennj> nah..i wont bother
<rennj> TakeNote is only available as a demo. Your notes will be saved to local storage and not persisted in any database or cloud.
<rennj> yeah whatever
<rennj> i believe Obsidian-1.1.8.AppImage does same bullshit
<rennj> Obsidian is my current choice for writing and organizing notes on any complicated subject. Feels like the closest anyone has come yet to realizing the promise of hypertext as a tool of thought.
<rennj> Graydon Hoare
<rennj> Creator of the Rust programming language
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/26253e5fa305...685bc891c8ff
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 685bc89 - webkit-gtk: move MiniBrowser demo to a separate subpackage
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<botifico> [haiku/website] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+3/-0/±0] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/00c1578b9198...bc0cd0918c60
<botifico> [haiku/website] pulkomandy bc0cd09 - Initiate pages for GSoC 2023
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<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> <win8linux[m]> "Look into TakeNotes, a similar..." <- Okay, I will. Thanks win8linux
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<Begasus> k, rebuild of boost166 (last commit there almost 5 years ago)
<mooes> heya Begasus
<Begasus> hey mooes
<Begasus> wanted to ask you about R
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<mooes> sure thing - what's your question?
<Begasus> created a PR for the new version, split the package up in a base package and develop package (and another one for libRmath, but that's beside)
<Begasus> if you build something (or write) do you need the headers from R?
<mooes> you mean when building an R package?
<Begasus> yes
<mooes> no, that shouldn't be needed
<mooes> quite a number of packages make use of C/Fortran code, so to build those one needs the compilers installed
<Begasus> ok, thanks, I'll merge and give a heads up when the build is finished, could you check it out and report on it?
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/685bc891c8ff...4c1cc859ce10
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 4c1cc85 - R, bump version (#7725)
<Begasus> webkit-gtk still building so could be a while :)
<mooes> sure thing! i am upgrading the t410s with a new ssd (which is a bit of a pain, since it uses the rare 1.8'' size, but I am going with an adaptor for micro SATA to mSATA and then an mSATA SSD, which is a whole lot cheaper), so waiting for those parts.
<Begasus> nice!
<mooes> then I can get back to playing around with Haiku
<Begasus> ps, did you checkout geany?
<mooes> also upgrading the RAM from 2GB to 8GB
<Begasus> nice too :) (got 16GB here atm)
<mooes> yes, but Geany doesn't allow me to send stuff from an R script to a terminal with R running (to have REPL-like interactivity). Then I tried kate and with some trial and error (need to install konsole), then it works in that manner.
<Begasus> inside geany?
<mooes> So that's pretty much like RStudio (with less bells and whistles, but it comes quite close).
<mooes> No, I meant using kate + konsole.
<Begasus> ah, not familiar there :)
<mooes> In kate, one can have a terminal running and send commands to it.
<mooes> So I just start R in the terminal and then can send stuff to it from the script.
<Begasus> One problem solved :)
<mooes> Another interesting option is RKWard: https://rkward.kde.org Might be able to get this running since it is also KDE based.
<Begasus> Looked into RStudio, but I don't think we got all the tools to build it
<mooes> Getting RStudio to run is probably much more tricky (it is an Electron app).
<Begasus> some work done by some OS's it seems https://repology.org/project/rkward/versions
<jmairboeck> should we maybe split the Konsole recipe so that the full app is not needed for having a terminal in Kate? or is that not worth it? OpenSUSE has a separate "konsole-part" package as a subpackage of konsole
<Begasus> On 64bit maybe .......
<mooes> I might try to compile it when I have the T410s up and running again.
<Begasus> Gentoo links broken atm it seems (from Repology)
<mooes> but with just 2GB, things were also a bit slow going on that laptop (esp. when starting to have multiple tabs open in Epiphany)
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<Begasus> I mostly use Otter (sometimes Web+), good enough for me :)
<Begasus> figures ... boost166 build fails
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<mooes> afk for a while; need to walk the doggo
<Begasus> l8r
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Hey Begasus
<Begasus> wb BarmenduChakraborty[m] :)
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Fixing the indentation to this comes under code style improvements?
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<x512[m]> Tabs in middle of line are evil.
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> x512[m]: hehe
<x512[m]> It is possible to put .editorconfig file with tab width configuration and GitHub will use it.
<Begasus> I don't know, but I like them lined up nicely under each other (not sure that is needed here though)
<x512[m]> I also prefer 2 spaces per tab.
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> x512[m]: Ok I'll check it out
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Begasus: Yeah, me too. It hurts my symmetry-loving brain :(
<x512[m]> Table like alignment can be achieved with spaces.
<Begasus> Got a "thing" there too BarmenduChakraborty[m] :)
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> What's that?
<Begasus> can't stand assymetrics (or how it's called)
<Begasus> need every thing in place :)
<x512[m]> It will be nice to add .editorconfig support for Pe and Koder.
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Begasus: Yeah Yeah >_<
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> x512[m]: I need to find out how to use config files
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> *starts searching
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<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Ok
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> so I don't want the config file to be effective over just one cpp file
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> and x512 , you said that Github will use the config file
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> so how do I make implement the functionality over all files
<x512[m]> You can put .editorconfig to repository root and it will be applied to all source files.
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> okay. That's really easy
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> :)
<matt3> 6 = the faces of the cube or die
<matt3> i apologize ... ;)
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> matt3: But you're right haha
<matt3> xD
<matt3> fantasies ... ;)
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> XD
<matt3> the figure of the devil was actually a pychiatrist who divided the bad guys ;)
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<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> x512: I know that worked like it was supposed to but that looks messy too XD. But I guess, its better than the previous one. Otherwise one could always manually improve the indentation
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<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> changing the number of spaces to 4 does help
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> a bit
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<Begasus> almost there BarmenduChakraborty[m] :)
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Begasus: I guess the only way to get it perfect is do it manually. But that's really too tedious, so I guess I'll leave it here
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> Should I create a PR for this Begasus ?
<Begasus> I guess you could BarmenduChakraborty[m] , I'm not part of HaikuArchives as my skills are less then zero there :)
<BarmenduChakraborty[m]> I keep considering you as my unsaid mentor for everything Begasus :P
<Begasus> heh, thanks on the compliment though :)
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<Begasus> afk
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<S1Nx81> what video cards work with Haiku the best in terms of accelration and so on ?
<S1Nx81> also I am unable to change the refresh rate for my display, selecting a diffrent one pops up the message of do you want to keep this setting but it does not actuly change the refresh rate
<S1Nx81> video card is a geforce 3060, hooked up to a 144hz display via displayport
<S1Nx81> i select for example 100hz from the drop down and nothing happens
<waddlesplash> we don't have any NVIDIA drivers except for really old hardware
<waddlesplash> probably we'll ultimately wind up porting stuff from Linux DRI but that's a ways off
<S1Nx81> waddlesplash:so some older ATI would be ideal then ?
<waddlesplash> not necessarily
<waddlesplash> at some point I am going to attempt ports of Linux DRM drivers
<S1Nx81> ok
<S1Nx81> well i may build/buy an older cheap system to run other OSs on like haiku
<S1Nx81> so would be wondering what kind of system it should be for haiki
<S1Nx81> in terms of video card etc
<S1Nx81> idealy
<S1Nx81> for the best experance
<waddlesplash> we don't have gpu acceleration anywhere, except on Radeon Southern Islands if you install x512[m]'s very experimental drivers
<S1Nx81> ah so its just basid framebuffer driver all around then ?
<S1Nx81> a basic rather
<S1Nx81> any ideas on the refresh rate issue ?
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<Begasus> re
<PulkoMandy> I think changing the refresh rate and timings is broken currently, we do too much effort "normalizing" the timings
<Begasus> looks like qemu_x86 hasn't been checked :) missing "cmd:qemu_system_riscv32"
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<Begasus> heading down, cu peeps!
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<x512[m]> waddlesplash: Porting DRM basically means implementing big Linux compatibility layer and something like Wine but for kernel.
<x512[m]> DRM is also GPL2 licensed.
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<S1Nx81> PulkoMandy: what doe you mean by normalizing timings ?
<S1Nx81> and "to much effort"
<PulkoMandy> We run some computations to prepare a safe video mode with stable timings. I think the formula used is too agressive, resulting in largely ignoring the requested refresh rate in some cases
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56692] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=81a892eddfe7+%5E762b00e99948
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 81a892eddfe7 - efi/serial: Refactor EFI bios serial services
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<S1Nx81> PulkoMandy:oh i see
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<x512[m]> waddlesplash: For Nvidia it is possible to use recently opened Nvidia kernel driver. It is cross-platform and already compiles on Haiku. It just need Haiku kernel specific code. It have kernel mode setting support.
<matt3> hello
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<matt3> is ok my tutorial ?
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<S1Nx81> would there be a way to somehow force a refresh rate ?
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<rennj> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions VBE has Refresh rate control using GTF timings
<rennj> better than x11 modelines
<rennj> EDID from display should tell os what is possible anyway
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<tidux> well I've confirmed that QEMU's VirtIO OpenGL display device works with R1b4 in VESA mode (-vga virtio -display sdl,gl=on), so writing an accelerant for it should be possible in principle
<mooes> is there a way under haiku to format a drive so that the data are actually erased (instead of just deleting the partition table)?
<mooes> when I format the drive and then check it with disk probe, it still appears to contain the data
<mooes> I suppose I could just put lots of garbage files on the drive, but that's a bit tedious
<tidux> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/disk/foo
<tidux> same as on Linux
<mooes> ah, it has dd!
<mooes> didn
<mooes> didn't know that
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<tidux> oh wow you can just right click on the capslock key in the keymap Preferences system to remap it to Control
<tidux> that's super handy
<bbjimmy> waddlesplash epiphany still leaking memory and processes https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/issues/7533
<mooes> that's exactly what I do ... who needs capslock?!?
<rennj> xmodmap -e "clear Lock" &
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<mooes> oh my, dd is going, but this is going to take a while ...
<rennj> xmodmap -e "keycode 66 = Multi_key"
<waddlesplash> bbjimmy: is your gtkwebkit fully up to date?
<waddlesplash> there were changes
<bbjimmy> yes
<bbjimmy> at least that's what SoftwareUpdater says
<mooes> ah, bs=16M helps :)
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<tidux> mooes: I'd been doing the equivalent on other OSes for years, just didn't know you could on Haiku
<tidux> (re: capslock)
<mooes> ok, 16M was a bit ambitious; 1M is the same ...
<mooes> tidux: it's super nice that this is available
<waddlesplash> probably doesn't make much difference, Haiku's I/O layers will break up transfers as necessary
<waddlesplash> if they're too large, or need to be rescheduled
<mooes> ok, seems to go the same speed with 16M or 1M -- but 10x faster than the default bs, so now it will 'only' take maybe 30-40 mins
<waddlesplash> yeah the default blocksize is very small
<waddlesplash> you likely waste tons of overhead in IO layers with it
<waddlesplash> not sure why dd does that?
<waddlesplash> hmm does dd actually respect st_blksize?
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<waddlesplash> looks like our devfs just reports 64k for all devices
<waddlesplash> maybe we should default to some multiple of physical_block_size
<x512[m]> waddlesplash: You can try to write Haiku kernel code for: https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules. Easier and more useful than porting Linux DRM kernel code.
<waddlesplash> x512[m]: I don't own any NVIDIA GPUs anymore
<waddlesplash> I switched to all AMD years ago, or Intel integrated in a few laptops
<x512[m]> Buy some cheap one for testing? Turing+ GPU is needed.
<mooes> curious to see how fast haiku will boot once I replace the hdd with the ssd
<waddlesplash> mooes: unfortunately, probably not especially faster. you will shave a few seconds but not a massive amount
<waddlesplash> the biggest drain is the "disk" step because of packagefs, which is actually CPU bound most of the time I think
<waddlesplash> packagefs' caching is not that efficient, it really deserves a major overhaul
<rennj> i can put my haiku.vmdk and haiku.vmx file on ramdrive run it from there
<x512[m]> Porting Nvidia kernel drivers will allow to support modesetting, multiple monitor support and HW acceleration with Mesa new NVK Vulkan driver.
<waddlesplash> to be honest all the decompression code in packagekit/packagefs is very convoluted and doesn't help here
<mooes> waddlesplash: okay, but overall the system should be a bit snappier, right? (also with loading stuff)
<waddlesplash> I think we hit malloc() for every decompression operation, it's bad
<waddlesplash> mooes: yes, it will
<waddlesplash> x512[m]: I still want to try and port amdgpu et al. via a userland compatibility layer instead of a kernel one
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<x512[m]> It is maybe possible to port AMDGPU Display Core modesetting part because it is claimed to be OS-independent.
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<x512[m]> DCE 6 (Southern Islands) support was recently added to DisplayCore.
<waddlesplash> I'll believe it when someone else actually ports it to something besides Linux
<mooes> kinda annoyed that the T410s uses 1.8'' size hdds/ssds which are really difficult to come by and expensive. i got a mSATA ssd and a microSATA adaptor - hopefully this will work out
<waddlesplash> and I don't really care about modesetting without acceleration
<x512[m]> radeon_hd have troubles with modesetting on new GPUs.
<waddlesplash> yeah, but let's port the whole driver so we get everything not just modesetting
<rennj> plus all the bloat binary blobs for their gpu under /lib/firmware/
<rennj> amdgpu is huge codebase
<x512[m]> AMDGPU acceleration part depends on Linux DRM framework.
<rennj> dri2
<rennj> its in my old ass 2019 xorg logs
<x512[m]> No DRM, not DRI.
<x512[m]> DRI is located in Mesa code.
<rennj> https://termbin.com/xuch the firmware
<mattlacey> Am I being dumb? I thought the development tols were always installed now, but I have no make or GCC?
<rennj> my system is old
<rennj> but 100 day uptime on xorg https://imgur.com/02D6W7G
<rennj> heh dont mess with a good thing
<rennj> matrox g400 was last time i had stable xorg
<rennj> cause ati/amd and nvidia sucked for years on x11
<rennj> gl/glx replacing the mesa gl
<rennj> that where people got screwed the install of closed source ati fglrx or nvidia would replace os based gl libs..with vendor ones
<waddlesplash> mattlacey: pretty sure they're considered "optional packages" on release installs, so if you didn't select them in the Installer you don't have them
<x512[m]> GL libs problem is already solved with glvnd.
<mattlacey> weird. Could have sworn I did but I did run an update the other day. Will see if I can install the packages after the fact
<waddlesplash> x512[m]: well, once we fix the problems that cause crashes anyway :)
<waddlesplash> mattlacey: yeah, shouldn't be a problem.
<mattlacey> used updater so now on 56578+65
<mattlacey> cheers
<mattlacey> finally sorted out rEFInd on my PC for beta4 so can boot a harddrive install at last :)
<waddlesplash> :)
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<andreasdr[m]> Nice.
<andreasdr[m]> Ill test tomorrow RadeonGfx with my new tinker PC I guesssssssss.
<andreasdr[m]> Arrrrrr.
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