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<null1024>
hi there! was trying to run Haiku on an Inspiron 530S I had laying around and I absolutely 100% cannot get it to boot no matter what
<null1024>
trying a USB boot locks up the machine so hard I need to remove the CMOS battery
<bjorkintosh>
null1024, do other things boot off on that machine?
<null1024>
and booting from DVD just reboots the machine after a black screen
<null1024>
yeah, I've booted Debian off of it from USB and DVD
<bjorkintosh>
likely a bug then.
<null1024>
and the media I used works fine on every other machine I have
<null1024>
bit of a shame, because it seemed like the perfect old machine to get back to life with Haiku
<null1024>
even updated the BIOS since I had an old revision, but still no dice
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<bjorkintosh>
null1024, how are you running haiku at the moment?
<null1024>
mostly ran in VMs so far, beta 4 does boot on my main desktop and a lenovo laptop from that DVD (with working wifi and the right resolution! feels good)
<null1024>
if the trackpad didn't have an odd issue on the laptop, I'd probably have installed it outright there
<null1024>
tried it like two days ago but it was something like the horizontal trackpad speed seemed to be far slower than when moving it vertically
<null1024>
but yeah, haiku generally gets to a usable desktop on my other hardware
<augiedoggie>
you could try entering the bootloader and turning on some failsafe options or the on-screen debugging
<augiedoggie>
press shift while booting if it's BIOS/MBR, press space if it's UEFI
<null1024>
let me try
<null1024>
okay, as soon as I get out of the bootloader, it just stops outputting to the monitor
<null1024>
enabled safe mode and the onscreen debugging
<augiedoggie>
hm, strange
<null1024>
hmm, it might be monitor related, I just threw on some safe mode menu settings that looked promising and it's showing a picture now
<bjorkintosh>
just beta software things.
<null1024>
I don't hear the CD drive though
<bparker_>
B4 fails to install for me under qemu/kvm, and takes a ridiculous amount of time to boot (at least 20 minutes if not longer)
<null1024>
so, I think Haiku wasn't detecting my monitor display mode, but now it just like, stops reading the CD :P
<null1024>
the 4th status icon from the left lights up on screen
<augiedoggie>
you could try the on-screen debugging with it
<null1024>
no activity, no seeking noises like on my other machines
<null1024>
oh, lol, lemme try, forgot to set that again
<null1024>
okay, stuff is showing up
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<Skipp_OSX>
hold shift during boot, run in video safe mode
<null1024>
"ATA 0 error: timeout waiting for interrupt" has been showing repeatedly
<Skipp_OSX>
it sounds like either there is a driver problem or a storage problem
<null1024>
hmmm, let me pull out the disks in here and see if it boots then, unless that's the CD drive (that doesn't seem right, but I haven't heard the normal seeking noises at all)
<null1024>
it just switched to saying ATA 3 error
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<null1024>
maybe it just hates my drive controller
<null1024>
it spun the disc drive up
<augiedoggie>
hm, maybe a bios option to change the controller mode or something
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<null1024>
it seems to be booting but like, immeasurably slowly, I hear a drive seek once every few minutes now
<null1024>
and I see it talking about mounting the Haiku partition
<augiedoggie>
heh
<null1024>
on my main desktop, it took AGES to boot, but I heard aggressive drive seeking from the USB CD drive I had to use for it
<null1024>
okay, in the BIOS, the only thing it mentions is SATA mode IDE or RAID, bleh
<augiedoggie>
that might fix it, if it changes to ahci mode on the controller
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<null1024>
dang, giving it up as a lost cause
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<null1024>
oh, I'm dumb, now it's enabled
<null1024>
okay, now it panics
<null1024>
PANIC: did not find any boot partitions!
<bjorkintosh>
progress.
<null1024>
:P
<augiedoggie>
eh, that's actually a step back i think
<bjorkintosh>
augiedoggie, why? did something overwrite something else?
<augiedoggie>
well, it sounded like it was much further before that change
<augiedoggie>
it was up to the 4th icon
<null1024>
yeah, it seemed like it was actually trying to read the disc there and boot, but was getting hung up on something it doesn't like about the drive controller
<null1024>
okay, so doing with the log off
<null1024>
it gets to the 4th light and immediately panics as it seeks the drive
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<null1024>
I have a USB DVD drive, but the machine immediately reboots after the bootloader
<null1024>
I give up lol
<null1024>
and booting from a USB stick dies so hard that the machine doesn't leave the POST screen until I re-seat the CMOS battery
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<null1024>
hmm, let me at least see if it gives me like a device or something that would be actionable for someone to look into at least; it gets further on IDE mode so I'll see what it says there
<null1024>
er, a device name
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<null1024>
oh wow, I think the keyboard stops working at some point during boot so I can't even keep using the pager lol, it started up the USB controller and that was it
<null1024>
I'm actually dying here lmao, didn't realize Haiku would be quite this cursed to try out on this system
<augiedoggie>
i haven't had that much trouble in a while but i don't install it on too many different systems
<bjorkintosh>
null1024, the trick with YeOldeWeirdOs is to find compatible hardware for it.
<null1024>
it has been impressively compatible on most machines I've tossed at it
<bjorkintosh>
that's, if you want to use it. if the intent is to debug it, then you find weird shit to run it on.
<null1024>
was genuinely stunned when like, wifi worked on both of the other systems I booted it beta 4 on
<null1024>
out of the box
<null1024>
and yeah, I'm getting like no name
<null1024>
if there was a good way for me to log all of this, I would
<null1024>
if I had a serial port on this machine, I could probably log it that way, but it is just barely too new for that
<null1024>
vista era system
<null1024>
early vista era I think
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<null1024>
at least it got WAY further than ever before tonight on it
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<null1024>
good night everyone, and thanks for trying :D
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<bjorkintosh>
incidentally, which version of c++ is haiku being developed in?
<augiedoggie>
most of the code is c++98
<bjorkintosh>
I see.
<bjorkintosh>
no matter. we'll persuade chatgpt to convert everything to c++35 (when the time comes) :-)
<bjorkintosh>
few years to go.
<augiedoggie>
you can use modern versions of c++ for apps and stuff but parts of the core need to be gcc2/beos compatible
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<iisi>
Reminds me I saw a thing about transpiling Rust code to WASM, to C, to C89, to get "Rust" on Mac OS 9.
<raymondmendoza>
I do kind of like the 3D backwards K.
<waddlesplash>
x512[m]: from the notes: - When the 32-bit Wine loader isn't found, 32-bit applications are started in the new experimental "Windows-like" WoW64 mode (where 32-bit code runs inside a 64-bit host process). This mode can be enabled by building with the '--enable-archs' configure option.
<nephele>
Oh nice, on the PE format
<x512[m]>
waddlesplash: Can it be built without multilibs?
<waddlesplash>
I think that's the idea?
<waddlesplash>
that's what the release notes seem to indicate
<nephele>
Yes
<nephele>
" When the 32-bit Wine loader isn't found, 32-bit applications are started in the new experimental "Windows-like" WoW64 mode (where 32-bit code runs inside a 64-bit host process). This mode can be enabled by building with the '--enable-archs' configure option. "
<x512[m]>
Need try to rebase and build it first with --enable-archs flag.
<nephele>
x512[m]: could you update the wine recipe when you do? so it can be build locally instead of having to use wine_bin
<x512[m]>
It probably failed to build by build server so binary package is prepared.
<waddlesplash>
x512[m]: if your Haiku.drv doesn't handle the NT syscall interface, it may need to be refactored a bit
<nephele>
x512[m]: doesn't really matter to me. if the recipe is not available i can't build it myself
<waddlesplash>
x512[m]: the binary package was created back when the builders were running beta3. probably it will build successfully
<waddlesplash>
nephele: 3deyes is the one who made the recipes
<nephele>
the latest wine recipe has a different version than wine_bin
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<andreasdr[m]>
Wine for 32 Bit. Coool. Would love to try Steam then on Haiku.
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<raymondmendoza>
I'd love to test wine, aswell. But, I have to wait for the Intel driver to get a little less jittery.
<andreasdr[m]>
Damn.
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<andreasdr[m]>
I have tested Wine with some apps on Haiku. Works 80%. Some bits are missing still, e.g. Eclipse does not start, but JAVA JRE is a monster anyways.
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<wolix[m]>
Hello there
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<andreasdr[m]>
Hi there
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