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<andreasdr[m]>
Good morning Begasus
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<x512[m]>
Is there a tool for Haiku that can fully delete GPT partition table (including backup on end of disk)?
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<OscarL>
x512[m]: not that I know of, other than using DiskProbe (and/or "dd if=/dev/null", if you have the correct offsets/spans written down).
<OscarL>
good enough for one-off cases, I guess, but I'm not aware of anything more automated than that. Hopefully others know better than me (usually the case :-P).
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<andreasdr[m]>
I guess my Haiku PC has this ETH interface too.
<andreasdr[m]>
For now I could only get WIFI working.
<OscarL>
good morning andreasdr[m]. Seems you might get lucky!
<andreasdr[m]>
Yes.
<andreasdr[m]>
Good morning OscarL
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<andreasdr[m]>
But I have one problem with my Haiku PC. It uses lots of power. Laptops are so much better regarding power usage.
<andreasdr[m]>
50w in idle
<andreasdr[m]>
190w if compiling our engine
<andreasdr[m]>
my laptop uses 20w in idle and 92w when compiling tdme2 with better speed.
<andreasdr[m]>
But well.
<OscarL>
andreasdr[m]: that's what mostly prevents me from running Haiku on my Phenom II.... it is uses much less power to use Windos or Linux as a host, and run Haiku on a VM (due to the lack of PowerNow/CoolNQuiet drivers).
<andreasdr[m]>
Hmm. Windows take about the same power on my 2 machines.
<andreasdr[m]>
I dont think Haiku is the problem here.
<andreasdr[m]>
But I see.
<OscarL>
Haiku only has some power-management drivers for some Intel CPUs, and, thanks to korli's latest adittions, some AMD Ryzen CPUs... the rest... all run at full-throtle.
<OscarL>
my old Atom N450 based netbook would be of much better use running Haiku 24/7 too, but sadly, it gets too hot under Haiku (same issue, no suitable "cpufreq" driver for such CPU).
<andreasdr[m]>
Oh damn.
<andreasdr[m]>
But really in this case its not Haikus fault.
<OscarL>
And sadly... my skills are too limited to help with that, even after several failed attempts :-D
<andreasdr[m]>
Damn.
<PulkoMandy>
x512[m], DriveSetup should do this when creating a new partition table, if it doesn't it means the feature got broken
<andreasdr[m]>
But you will never do it if you dont try ;)
<x512[m]>
DriveSetup seems not clear backup GPT at end of disk that confuse some systems.
<OscarL>
andreasdr[m]: true... just wish I was smarter :-D
<andreasdr[m]>
Wait what Sir? Naaaaaaaaaaaa. There is only one thing that helps. TRY AND SUCCES OR FAIL AND REPEAT :DDD
<andreasdr[m]>
I also failed at some private software projects. It happens.
<OscarL>
At least I got SHIFT+arrows text selection working on Terminal + mcedit... (still debating if I should submit that patch for review, as I needed to change some Terminal "hidden" shortcuts in the process).
<andreasdr[m]>
Nice.
<OscarL>
what I've learned is... I should stay away from anything related to terminal emulators.
<andreasdr[m]>
Hihi
<andreasdr[m]>
Also this happens :)
<PulkoMandy>
Terminal is not a great example of terminal emulator code
<OscarL>
There is just too much levels of old lore to wrap your head around :-D
<PulkoMandy>
the code in SerialConnect (based on libvterm) is a little better. I planned to replace all the old code in Terminal with that, but it doesn't yet implement all the same features and people keep improving Terminal :( :p
<andreasdr[m]>
:D
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<OscarL>
spend the last 8 hours reading https://invisible-island.net/ncurses/ (from google cache / archive.org, because I'm geo-blocked out of that website :-/) trying to understand at least parts of what's going on with key presses and terminals :-D
<OscarL>
s/spend/spent
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<andreasdr[m]>
:D
<OscarL>
Uhh, nice.. the spiders I didn't killed... have murdered a scorpion near my bed. Win-Win.
<andreasdr[m]>
:DDD
<andreasdr[m]>
In which land are you living OscarL If I may ask?
<OscarL>
andreasdr[m]: middle of nowhere, Argentina.
<andreasdr[m]>
Loooking at google images for Catamarca Province <3
<andreasdr[m]>
I am currently just in plain Berlin/Germany.
<OscarL>
regarding Catamarca: There are some really nice looking places... but... the heat, dust, earthquakes, poverty... makes it a nicer place to visit than to live in :-)
<andreasdr[m]>
Oh I see.
<andreasdr[m]>
:(
<OscarL>
andreasdr[m]: I always loved what I saw of Germany's forrests!
<OscarL>
I wish I could live in a small shack in the middle of trees :-D
<jmairboeck>
Seems like I fixed the info files build of lilypond, by fixing texinfo 6.7 on gcc2 ...
<OscarL>
(not "exactly" Berlin, but you know what I mean :-D)
<OscarL>
well done jmairboeck!
<andreasdr[m]>
I know what you mean.
<andreasdr[m]>
I used to be a lot in a forrest when visiting my grand mother, who lived in a forrest.
<jmairboeck>
according to the docs, texinfo 6.1 should be new enough, but it didn't work. With 6.7 it works.
<OscarL>
andreasdr[m]: nice! the oma in the forrest!
<andreasdr[m]>
Yes.
<OscarL>
andreasdr[m]: we have a folklore song here that talks about an "oma" (immigrant from Germany as a young lady). I love that song.
<OscarL>
I'll see if I can find a good sounding copy.
<netpositive>
hi OscarL
<OscarL>
good Sunday to you netpositive!
<netpositive>
same to you
<OscarL>
andreasdr[m]: can't find a good copy with subtitles. The main point is that the author of the song speaks with admiration for that hardworking woman (in a hard to live part of our land)... saying: "The oma is happy with little. Almost as if she's better with almost nothing. The oma was blond, and you can tell... she was a pretty German girl".
<OscarL>
Always loved those lyrics.
<netpositive>
Always loved pretty German girls. 8]
<OscarL>
specially the ones that can bake some mean cakes :-D
<andreasdr[m]>
I am not that much into german folklore :DDD
<OscarL>
this song is Argentine' folkore tough :-P
<andreasdr[m]>
Ah Sorry.
<andreasdr[m]>
:D
<andreasdr[m]>
So please show us that argentine folglore song.
<OscarL>
I've heard that song since I was <10 years (almost 46 now).
<andreasdr[m]>
I see
<OscarL>
but since I was a kid I loved how that songs speaks of the admiration for a strong woman.
<andreasdr[m]>
I see.
<andreasdr[m]>
:)
<andreasdr[m]>
Nice song.
<OscarL>
jmairboeck: re:textinfo... those "small" issues can get annoying... fast :-) Thanks for persevering!
<jmairboeck>
let's see if it works that easily, PulkoMandy mentioned some potential problem with gcc2 itself
<OscarL>
while trying to do the "sc" recipe, for x86_64 bits... I could create a "quick reference" doc in PDF, no problem, on x86... only the .html one was easy to make... but that didn't worked on 64 bits... sigh... in the end... I've just let the "cmd:scqref" in, in case any user wants to create that ref doc themselves depending on the arch they run :-D
<OscarL>
small difference in packages/versions among archs can be a real PITA.
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<OscarL>
(specially for folks like me... barely knowing what their doing)
<jmairboeck>
I know, this isn't easy. This one was just a guess, trying to upgrade texinfo (as makeinfo failed), and it worked
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<phschafft>
hm.
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<phschafft>
OscarL: thank you for sharing.
<OscarL>
:-) a bit more regarding the lyrics... (I can't do justice to the original): "The oma is a woman of 70-something years / She lives in the Chaco forest" [...] "She has blue eyes / like the sea water / because she came from far away / and the sky remains in her blood"
<OscarL>
then it goes talking about how difficult is to reach her place, and that her house is surrounded by trees, plough, tools, etc... her house is made of adobe, and she only talks with her little parrot.
<OscarL>
I might end up tearing up a little yet again, as I did so many times picturing her :-)
<phschafft>
hm :)
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<LNK>
hi there!
<OscarL>
aloha LNK :-)
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<Begasus>
re
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<Begasus>
OscarL, hi!
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<OscarL>
PulkoMandy: that libvterm from SerialConnect, the upstream would be this one, right? https://www.leonerd.org.uk/code/libvterm/ (just to see what's new there)
<OscarL>
Hello Begasus!
<PulkoMandy>
yes
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<Begasus>
long time no see, how's it going OscarL ?
<OscarL>
Begasus: still here, no small feat :-P (thanks for asking!). I gave myself some time-off, after not being my best around here a while back :-/
<OscarL>
And you? How's that new laptop holding up? :-D
<Begasus>
Doing fine, but not setup for major Haiku(ports) development yet :)
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus dd5408c - libmysqlclient, use -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release (#7813)
<Begasus>
thanks, saw some mentioning when searching for it, will keep it in mind :)
<Anarchos>
how to upgrade haikuport tree ?
<Anarchos>
i got this : The version of the recipe file format used in the ports tree is older than the one supported by haikuporter.
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<OscarL>
I use "git pull upstream master", but I guess it depends on how your cloned repo is setup.
<OscarL>
as in...my git remotes are: "origin" (points to my github fork) and "upstream" (points to the haikuports original repo)
<OscarL>
(I have git setup to always rebase on pulls)
<Anarchos>
OscarL i just clone the official repo
<OscarL>
then "git pull --rebase" should work (you might need to use "git stash" if you have modified files you haven't committed yet)
<PulkoMandy>
it's very likely that the error message is misleading... the recipe format has not changed in many years
<PulkoMandy>
check your haikuports.conf to see if it's looking for recipes in the correct place for example
<Anarchos>
PulkoMandy thanks i will look
<Anarchos>
i have two haikuports.conf : one in system, another in home
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<OscarL>
Anarchos: the one under /boot/home/config/settings/ is the one you want to edit so it points to your cloned repo.
<Anarchos>
OscarL it is correct : TREE_PATH="~/haikuports"
<OscarL>
See the TREE_PATH setting, should be something like: TREE_PATH="/boot/home/aikuports/haikuports"
<Anarchos>
OscarL maybe i should put an absolute path instead of the ~/... ?
<OscarL>
not sure, I have it as an absolute path, and it works.
<Anarchos>
OscarL absolute path : it works !
<OscarL>
awesome (and good to know :-D)
<OscarL>
to be fair... the file says: "The full path to your cloned haikuports tree." :-D
<OscarL>
(but as it uses relative paths elsewhere, easy to miss)
<OscarL>
Time to unplug for today. Nice to read you, all. Have a good one, everyone!
<Anarchos>
OscarL now it updates bazillion of dependency infos...
<OscarL>
Anarchos: Oh... it does that the first time, yes :-)
<OscarL>
Read you all later!
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<Anarchos>
what are those «dependency infos »?
<Begasus>
first time running haikuporter Anarchos ?
<Anarchos>
Begasus on this laptop, not sure...
<Begasus>
well, on the first run it will scan all dependencies in the recipe, only once, after that it only updates the dependencies after changing in recipes
<Anarchos>
Begasus i am trying to build sbcl. what is weird is the " BUILD_PREREQUIRES : cmd:sbcl "
<Begasus>
and for "those" recipes (so not a full scan)
<Anarchos>
Begasus ok i got it : use abcl -> sbcl 2.1 , sbcl 2.1 -> sbcl 2.2
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<Begasus>
Better :)
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<Begasus>
Almost there, previous laptop setup for native 64bit, if things work out fine I'll have another laptop running Haiku native for haikuports :)
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<Anarchos>
Begasus both of my laptops run haiku natively for years
<HaikuUser>
"pkgman search cmd:g++" did it, thank you Anarchos
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<HaikuUser>
any editor like "vi"? not to use "cat > file" :-
<HaikuUser>
:-)
<Begasus>
nano?
<Begasus>
vim? :)
<raymondmendoza>
Ports?
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<HaikuUser>
pkgman failed to find vim, I tried.
<Begasus>
64bit?
<Begasus>
on 32bit it finds it
<HaikuUser>
nano is not found also
<HaikuUser>
32 bit system here. Atom :-)
<Begasus>
those should be as easy to install as any other base package
<Begasus>
nightly or beta?
<Begasus>
never had to install nano here, it came default installed afaik
<Begasus_32>
~> nano -V
<Begasus_32>
GNU nano, versie 7.1
<Anarchos>
if i have a recipe containing ARCHITECTURES="all !x86_gcc2" SECONDARY_ARCHITECTURES="?x86", how to use haikuporter to build it on arch x86 ?
<Begasus>
for secondary architecture Anarchos ?
<HaikuUser>
beta 4-1 from site downoads.nbm doing ~> pkgman refresh
<Begasus_32>
S nano_x86 Pico clone with more functionality under the GPL license
<Anarchos>
Begasus_32 but i wonder why it is not taken in architechures="all"
<Begasus>
Anarchos, because there is no "primary" x86 architecture anymore
<Begasus>
so secondary architecture will use the new compiler instead of the older 2.*
<HaikuUser>
aha. Begasus, with nano_x86 worked. thank you!
<Anarchos>
Begasus but the all, what does it mean then ?
<Begasus>
Anarchos, it means it can (or could) be build for all "primary" architectures (think also like arm, riscv ...)
<Begasus>
!x86_gcc2 means it can't be build for "primary" architecture on 32bit
<Begasus>
HaikuUser, nano is one of those examples where it can't be build with the older compiler, so it needs to use secondary architecture, hence "nano_x86"
<Begasus>
same for vim -> vim_x86
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<Anarchos>
Begasus yes cause the 2.2 needs the sbcl from 2.1
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<Begasus>
ah, got you :)
<Anarchos>
but i am lazy enough to understand how haikuporter works, and its too much options.
<Begasus>
takes a while to get use to, but once you get there it's pretty easy :)
<Anarchos>
Begasus as you see, it never works for me
<Begasus>
let me do some checks here to see if I get it to start
<Begasus_32>
hp sbcl_x86-2.1.10.22_20211029
<Begasus>
that should do it Anarchos
<Begasus>
sbcl_x86-$portVersion
<Anarchos>
hp unfound
<Begasus>
I'm using the alias mentioned in the haikuports.conf file
<Begasus>
alias hp="haikuporter -S -j8 --no-source-packages --get-dependencies"
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<Begasus>
If you don't have that, this should work (if I get no typos) :) "haikuporter -S -j8 --no-source-packages --get-dependencies sbcl_x86-2.1.10.22_20211029"
<jmairboeck>
Begasus: I checked lilypond on x86 (half a build of it because my virtual disk is too small) and when building it locally it works after the texinfo update
<Begasus>
jmairboeck, will do a check somewhere this week (if I get around to it), at least the PR for texinfo builds fine here
<jmairboeck>
so I suppose besides texinfo, the only remaining problem is the fontconfig one, but that requires an update for the build machines themselves
<jmairboeck>
I hope it is only haikuporter which needs an update
<Begasus>
created an issue there jmairboeck ?
<jmairboeck>
not yet
<Begasus>
maybe best, not everyone reads the logs here :)
<jmairboeck>
if not, then I suppose that fontconfig is not installed, so no valid config files can be copied into the chroot
<jmairboeck>
should I create it in haikuports, or haiku/infrastructure?
<Begasus>
I guess you are more knowligable there then me :)
<Begasus>
but I guess starting with haikuports would be fine
<Begasus>
wonder why it worked before and now it doesn't?
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<jmairboeck>
it was never built on the buildmaster before
<Begasus>
I meant that I got the previous version to build and run fine :)
<Begasus>
so something must have changed in between?
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<jmairboeck>
your problem with the 32 bit version was because of texinfo
<jmairboeck>
version 6.1 is too old apparently
<jmairboeck>
maybe I should report a bug for lilypond because their documentation still says that texinfo 6.1 is enough
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<Anarchos>
Begasus oh there is a preview in texstudio ? Does it autoupdate ?
<Anarchos>
Begasus argon worked
<Begasus>
Anarchos, on texstudio you can play around, there is already a version around
<Begasus>
and with texlive available all should be working (provided the right packages are installed) :)
<Begasus>
ok, then "haikuporter -S -j8 --no-source-packages --get-dependencies sbcl_x86-2.1.10.22_20211029" should work also
<Begasus>
or "haikuporter -S --get-dependencies sbcl_x86-2.1.10.22_20211029" should work also
<AtomPC>
bye now and thank you for help
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<Begasus>
heading down in a bit here too
<Begasus>
Anarchos, hope you get it up and running, if not I'll hear it (or read it in the logs)
<Begasus>
g'night peeps!
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<Anarchos>
Begasus : same error: [Errno -2147459069] No such file or directory: '/boot/home/haikuports/repository-x86_gcc2/sbcl_x86-2.1.10.22_20211029.DependencyInfo'
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<Javanx>
Seems that VirtualEnvs aren't working on Python3.10 on Haiku, while they do on Python3.9, it looks like the site-packages of the virtualenv is not added to sys.path in python3.10
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<PulkoMandy>
yes, the python 3.10 recipe at haikuports apparently removed some important patches that need to be re-done