<rennj>
im not up on all things haiku, more following it
<rennj>
ran beos for 5 years or so...
<rennj>
This has already been the order in which on BeOS commands, libraries, and add-ons where searched (according to the environmental variables PATH, LIBRARY_PATH, and ADDON_PATH). That e.g. allows a user to install a new/different version of a program in “/boot/home/config” and have it override the version in “/boot/system”.
<rennj>
so /boot/home/config/foobarpkg overrides the /boot/system one
<rennj>
so get .hpkg do you edits and shove it there
<rennj>
from all of 1minutes google/reading
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<mbrumbelow[m]>
Thanks
<rennj>
worth a read anyway
<rennj>
like to understand things at deeper level..
<rennj>
im just not interested at this point in time....
<rennj>
Sponge Bob S 03E 15b - Mid-Life Crustacean
<rennj>
haha
<rennj>
cartoons ftw!
<rennj>
a true escape from reality
<rennj>
mr.crab's is feeling old in this episode...and goes on a panty raid...banned episode now so ive read...
<rennj>
haha
<rennj>
what was that movie..oh,,,"animal house"
<rennj>
same deal
<rennj>
Installation Location Order and Consistency yeah probably need to understand that info
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<waddlesplash>
mbrumbelow[m]: which files?
<waddlesplash>
all the stuff in /system/settings should be editable
<waddlesplash>
it is kind of amusing to me that I'm being downvoted when I make claims about Haiku being a UNIX-like, while the reviewer (not a Haiku developer, not really a Haiku community member, not a 3rd-party-app developer either) gets a lot of upvotes
<waddlesplash>
I guess people really want to hold on to this idea, huh
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<jessicah>
someone on the Internet is wrong! :p
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<PulkoMandy>
Well, maybe someday we'll get posix certified, who knows?
<jessicah>
:p
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<rennj>
that paid program
<rennj>
like Hollywood walk of fame squares
<rennj>
osX solaris aix blah
<rennj>
what diff does it make when its android world
<rennj>
arm-devtree can go die, risc-v and standard devtree like x86 had...ftw
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<andreasdr[m]>
cocobean: cool, thank you.
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<andreasdr[m]>
Good morning
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<rennj>
blips and chips!
<rennj>
arcade mode in REPL....leave me alone
<rennj>
now ghouls and ghosts vs battletoads
<rennj>
what about contra!
<rennj>
kids today cant handle arcade neogeo/roms
<rennj>
let alone capcom
<rennj>
there is cloud needs shouting at....hold on
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<kallisti5[m]>
Waddlesplash: take it easy on the register. We want them to write more articles about us lol
<kallisti5[m]>
I get what they were saying about it not being unix. They're coming from the 'its not based on UNIX' direction but kinda got lost in the weeds
<kallisti5[m]>
HAIKU offers full POSIX compatibility, and a UNIX / Linux like environment.
<kallisti5[m]>
Technically Haikus not based on UNIX, but neither is Linux
<mbrumbelow[m]>
kallisti5: When are you broadcasting on Twitch again? 🙂
<kallisti5[m]>
Lol, not sure if I want that to become a thing 😂. I'm not very charismatic.
<kallisti5[m]>
Though, maybe we should start having conference calls occasionally
<mbrumbelow[m]>
Your in-depth broadcast on your new RISCV board was riveting. Really!
<mbrumbelow[m]>
Conference calls would be cool.
<kallisti5[m]>
Hmm. Maybe I should start an onlyfans while working on stuff. I can kinda say Uwu
<mbrumbelow[m]>
🤣
<kallisti5[m]>
Lol. I shouldn't talk on the internet before I've had coffee. Brb
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<kallisti5[m]>
I might try the twitch thing again.. it probably won't be too exciting though
<mbrumbelow[m]>
Just talk about codeing and Haiku. There is a Software Development Category in Twitch.
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<kallisti5[m]>
Yeah, maybe a change like that would help. My issue is i'm getting old and burnt out in tech. Going through the riveting mid-life crisis stage (which is fun).
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<mbrumbelow[m]>
I know what you mean. My way out was a better life work balance… and a trip to the jungles of Brazil to do Ayahuasca!!!
<mbrumbelow[m]>
<waddlesplash> "mbrumbelow: which files?" <- /system/data/launch/system file.
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<matt3>
chrome is not good ?
<matt3>
i think it is not good ...
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<rennj>
more like because of the modern web2.0/3.0 bull html5,css,javascript you got 3 choices in web rendering engines Blink (Chrome), Webkit (Safari), Gecko (Firefox), anything else isnt going to render/play well ..
<matt3>
thank you rennj
<rennj>
take your meds!
<rennj>
stop trolling
<matt3>
so haiku use web kit => Safari ?
<matt3>
i take meds morning + evening ...
<rennj>
the browser netpositive and safari on crapple use webkit yes
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 183b85ddf89a - Tracker: NavMenu and MountMenu should not set font themselves (inherit from BMenu instead)
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<matt3>
can i talk to you openly?
<x512[m]>
waddlesplash: Why calling Haiku kernel monolithic? Modular kernel is probably right term. Pure monolithic kernel means that kernel is fully statically linked and it is impossible to add new kernel code at runtime. For example Serenity OS have pure monolithic kernel.
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<nephele>
We don't have a way to arbitrarily replace kernel functions at runtime like linux does :)
<waddlesplash>
by Wikipedia's definition, we're a monolithic kernel
<waddlesplash>
a "modular monolithic kernel", but nonetheless
<x512[m]>
But we have kernel add-ons.
<nephele>
waddlesplash: ehhhh, wikipedia is a very bad source for IT information :(
<waddlesplash>
whether or not that's a good definition, I don't know, but I'm certainly not going to argue with that
<waddlesplash>
x512[m]: so does macOS
<nephele>
it's very frequently wrong
<x512[m]>
Older UNIXes, xv6, Serenity doesn't.
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<waddlesplash>
yes, hence "modular monolithic"
<waddlesplash>
the "monolithic" vs. "microkernel" debate is about what's in kernel space vs. user space
<waddlesplash>
as that diagram shows
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<rennj>
yeah my minix vm kind of slow even compared to my openbsd vm...talk about micro vs monolithic...no kernel modules in openbsd, everything compiled in.
<rennj>
solaris abstracted enough you didnt have to compiler the kernel, vs hp-ux just adding tape device required compiling driver..
<rennj>
and rebuilding kernel
<rennj>
i use think hp was huge as compile vs linux, now linux make config is nuts..so many subsystems/drivers
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<mbrumbelow[m]>
waddlesplash: Hi, I answered your question from earlier this morning.
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<waddlesplash>
mbrumbelow[m]: yeah, those can't be edited
<waddlesplash>
but why do you need to edit them?
<waddlesplash>
you can create launch files in non-packaged I believe
<mbrumbelow[m]>
I want to stop the netserver from starting.
<waddlesplash>
to what end?
<mbrumbelow[m]>
I am working on a few things in that server. For debugging purposes.
<mbrumbelow[m]>
So I can submit more tracker issues 🙂
<waddlesplash>
it's probably easier to just stop it after booting
<waddlesplash>
the launch_roster command is how you do that
<nephele>
I have an alternate net_server running
<nephele>
so i think i've replaced the normal one
<mbrumbelow[m]>
Will the network interfaces go down if they already up?
<nephele>
(launched from /boot/home/config/non-packaged/servers/net_server for me)
<mbrumbelow[m]>
Ah….
<nephele>
I have a seperate net_server service installed to test wpa2 enterprise
<nephele>
but i think i did not edit the system package for that?
<waddlesplash>
indeed probably not
<waddlesplash>
blocklisting the system version of net_server and putting one in non-packaged should suffice
<nephele>
waddlesplash: heh, you are correct... that is what i did
<nephele>
but i did need to add a config file so launch_roster would start the other one
<nephele>
but i don't remember where that is...
<nephele>
Ah found it
<nephele>
non-packaged/data/launch/system
<nephele>
service x-vnd.Haiku-net_server_alt { launch /boot/home/config/non-packaged/servers/net_server no_safemode legacy }
<rennj>
/boot/home/config/settings/boot/UserBootscript will be executed after the system has finished its boot process. For example, you could launch a number of programs that would then be automatically started on every boot up:
<nephele>
rennj: UserBootScript isn't suitable for stuff we want supervised :)
<nephele>
if you kill the net_server it should restart, and not remain dead
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<rennj>
you could do the launch_roster or hey script from there also
<nephele>
launch_roster can't be told about new services from the commandline
<nephele>
Rennj: launch_roster is merely a tool to control launch_daemon
<nephele>
it can't create persistent services at runtime
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<rennj>
im not talking about what it does..im talking about bootup and running things..on startup
<nephele>
Yes, but the problem on mbrunbelow is already solved, and your solution isn't adequate. services aren't something you fire and forget like a bash script
<rennj>
UserBootscript is always valid choice for init
<nephele>
Services have nothing to do with init
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<rennj>
for doing shit after the box comes up..i could hey script launch kills that service if i so chose
<nephele>
Yes, and? launch_daemon would immidiently recover it
<rennj>
it another option is what im saying for init
<nephele>
No, it's hacky to do that, if you want to disable services in launch_daemon then just properly disable them instead of doing wierd hacks like that
<nephele>
we have a proper service supervisor, let it do it's job :)
<rennj>
just like another option
<rennj>
A simple alternative to the above for launching applications at boot up is to put links to them in the /boot/home/config/settings/boot/launch directory. This can be done simply by right-clicking on the application you wish to have started automatically, going to Create Link and then navigating to the above directory.
<mbrumbelow[m]>
nephele: disable them for the next boot using launch_roster. Right?
<nephele>
I don't think launch_roster can disable targets like that mbrumbelow[m], currently anyhow. I think I've just blacklisted the normal net_server
<nephele>
I'd advise to try that, but doing it in the bootloader. You should see if it works then (you can check listimage if your correct version is running)
<nephele>
If it works in the bootloader to start your own net_server you can then blacklist the normal one more permanently
<nephele>
Probably a good idea to add functionalityy to disable services in launch_rosters commands though
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<mbrumbelow[m]>
nephele: You want me to add that feature request to Tracker? 🙂
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<nephele>
You mean trac? If you think it is a good idea feel free to file it :)
<nephele>
I might do that else if i remember to do that later
<mbrumbelow[m]>
I actually watched someone sleep for 30 minutes on Twitch… so it can’t be that bad.
<augiedoggie>
i'm pretty sure i've seen videos of paint drying
<kallisti5[m]>
lol i'm just troubleshooting qemu-system-riscv64 atm
<mbrumbelow[m]>
HaikuTV!!!
<kallisti5[m]>
glad the serial terminal is fixed now...
<andreasdr[m]>
Hi
<andreasdr[m]>
Any progress on porting HaikuOS to VisionFive2
<andreasdr[m]>
Just asking as you are talkting about RISC
<kallisti5[m]>
VisionFive2 boots and we get serial output now
<kallisti5[m]>
the cpu startup crashes
<kallisti5[m]>
I can look at that instead... but I understand it less
<andreasdr[m]>
Nice!!!
<andreasdr[m]>
<3
<kallisti5[m]>
this serial terminal is the VisionFive2 with haiku on an sd card
<andreasdr[m]>
Nice
<mbrumbelow[m]>
When are you going to setup your Patreon account?
<andreasdr[m]>
Is the driver for Linux for the GPU actually a binary blob? or is it available as source code too?
<kallisti5[m]>
y'all need to pay x512 over me. He's the real expert in this stuff lol
<andreasdr[m]>
Me?
<andreasdr[m]>
:DDD
<andreasdr[m]>
Yes!!!
<kallisti5[m]>
for qemu, i need more virtio logs
<kallisti5[m]>
saying no boot partitions... and no mention of disks in syslog
<kallisti5[m]>
we are in the kernel though... which is nice
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<andreasdr[m]>
Nice!
<kallisti5[m]>
ok. so not getting init on video... but without the kernel seeing the disk i guess that makes sense as the graphics add-ons haven't been loaded
<andreasdr[m]>
:(
<andreasdr[m]>
Yes.
<andreasdr[m]>
:x
<kallisti5[m]>
we have virtio in the image... so I guess I need to crank up tracing
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<andreasdr[m]>
Nice!
<kallisti5[m]>
lol... and tracing is broken
<kallisti5[m]>
groans
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<mbrumbelow[m]>
😵💫
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<andreasdr[m]>
Why is it broken?
<kallisti5[m]>
someone put in %ld, etc
<kallisti5[m]>
the sizes change on 32-bit vs 64-bit architectures
<kallisti5[m]>
if we update them to the macro's haiku provides they'll automatically adjust per arch
<andreasdr[m]>
Nice!
<andreasdr[m]>
Work! Work! Work!
<x512[m]>
Trying to make VideoStreams interprocess GPU buffer sharing working.
<andreasdr[m]>
I am going nuts Sirs!
<andreasdr[m]>
<3
<x512[m]>
GPU buffer sharing via FD and Vulkan Swapchain bind is already working, but some test producer and consumer is needed to demonstrate that it actually works.
<andreasdr[m]>
Nice!!!
<kallisti5[m]>
aye ok
<andreasdr[m]>
How do you actually transmit the data (like VBO and Textures) from e.g. TDME2 to RadeonGfx? Is it IPC? Isnt that a bit slow?
<andreasdr[m]>
Just a stupid question.
<andreasdr[m]>
I mean lots of data is transferred on real world games in a single frame.
<x512[m]>
VideoStreams have a concept of swapchain binding. It means creating per graphics API (software, EGL, Vulkan) objects from VideoStreams swapchain definition structure.
<x512[m]>
For example for Vulkan swapchain is binded to VkImage, VkDeviceMemory pair.
<andreasdr[m]>
I see
<x512[m]>
andreasdr: GPU buffers are shared between processes, not copied. Only API commands are transferred over IPC. GPU command buffers are also stored in shared buffers and not copied.
<andreasdr[m]>
Ok. Means in our TDME2 terrain editor, when I modify terrain vertex data, the terrain vertex data is not sent to RadeonGfx each time I update it. Nice.
<x512[m]>
Note that RadeonGfx currently do not change GPU clocking by default. And default GPU clocking settings at boot is low.
<andreasdr[m]>
Oh I see.
<x512[m]>
There are a tool that can change GPU clocking.
<andreasdr[m]>
Nice!!!
<andreasdr[m]>
How to do it with current RadeonGfx I have from you?
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 59f8bbddb06d - virtio_block: fix tracing on 64-bit platforms
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<PulkoMandy>
pinaraf, no, they didn't accept us
<andreasdr[m]>
:((((
<andreasdr[m]>
What????
<andreasdr[m]>
Why?
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<pinaraf>
PulkoMandy: and still they gave grub a stand, I don't get it :/
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<pinaraf>
(I still remember a time when KDE, GNOME, even GNUstep, each had their own developer rooms at fosdem… now it's cloud and containers and stuff like that…)
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<andreasdr[m]>
Boring
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<andreasdr[m]>
SysAdmins took over :DDD
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<HaikuUser>
hai
<HaikuUser>
hello everybody
<HaikuUser>
i have a question
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<HaikuUser>
is there firewall in haiku beta4 if so how to configure
<HaikuUser>
thanks in advance
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<HaikuUser2>
Having trouble dual booting haiku and Windows 10. Haiku is on the second disk and there is no eufi.