#haiku on 2023-08-21 — irc logs at oftc.irclog.whitequark.org

2022-12-21 00:54 ChanServ changed the topic of #haiku to: Open-source operating system that specifically targets personal computing. | https://haiku-os.org | Nightlies: https://download.haiku-os.org | Bugtracker: https://dev.haiku-os.org | SCM: https://git.haiku-os.org/ | Logs: https://oftc.irclog.whitequark.org/haiku | Matrix: #haiku:matrix.org | XMPP: #haiku%irc.oftc.net@irc.jabberfr.org

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00:38 <phcoder> @waddlesplash: turns out Tracker wants to open() root directory

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02:23 <John2> Will Haiku work on a Pentium 1 with 256MB of RAM, or is it mostly targetted towards more modern systems?

02:24 <augiedoggie> that's below the minimum requirements

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06:07 <Begasus> g'morning peeps

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07:09 <Begasus> nice, openldap2.4* build and static library fixed there :)

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08:29 <botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/ea940a6bdfbf...51af78b45af3

08:29 <botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] kenmays 51af78b - matplotlib: bumped to 3.7.2 (#9247)

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10:20 <botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+4/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/51af78b45af3...306d281fb8a1

10:20 <botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] TheZeldakatze 306d281 - drawterm: new recipe (#9252)

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10:28 <Anarchos> hello

10:28 <Begasus> 'lo Anarchos

10:29 <Anarchos> Begasus: back to my boring working (CRUD silly web apps for BigCorp...)

10:30 <Begasus> need to put food on the table Anarchos :)

10:32 <Anarchos> Begasus: indeed

10:44 <Begasus> reboot ...

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11:21 <Anarchos> hello freddietilley

11:21 <botifico> [haikuports/haikuports.cross] tqh pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports.cross/compare/a6271f223e71...c970c65342a1

11:21 <botifico> [haikuports/haikuports.cross] davidkaroly c970c65 - run bootstrap jam without parallelism

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12:06 <Anarchos> hello zard

12:08 <zard> hello Anarchos :)

12:10 <zard> Today's greeter, are you? ;)

12:21 <Anarchos> zard: i like to greet people in order to launch activity on the channel :) it seems all t he discussions moved to discuss.haiku-os.org nowadays.

12:32 <nekobot> [haiku/haiku] korli pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57229] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=7713305bd28f+%5E3cfeaf2617c6

12:32 <nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 7713305bd28f - pch_thermal: add Lewisburg and Wellsburg ids

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16:24 <Begasus> lol, wondered why gnupg wouldn't build due to dependencies (got a newer version recipe here but some deppending packages need version bumps for that too) :)

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16:48 <phcoder> @John2: you can always try running below minimum requirements and if you hit a roadblock send a patch. Haiku is open-source and playing with it is always ok. System requirements just mean "below this you may have bad time and support from community is limited"

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16:50 <phcoder> I'm unable to login to my account at review.haiku-os.org. I tried recovering password and I have access to sso.haiku-os.org and I detached GitHub there. Yet I still get a page with a single word "Forbidden" on review.haiku-os.org

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16:59 <jacereda> Hi. How can I install the built system? I've tried the "HAIKU_INSTALL_DIR=/Haiku jam -q @install" suggested in the ReadMe.Compiling.md but on reboot it's still running the old version of the driver I want to change...

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17:08 <zdykstra> won't you need to install the generated hpkg(s) for them to be activated on the next boot?

17:08 <zdykstra> Haiku is effectively single user, you're already root when you're at a desktop / shell

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17:10 <phcoder> @PulkoMandy: meanwhile while I can't login into review, I'll answer here. If we ever need optional stubbed functions back, it will be easier to copy them from a well-maintained FS like ext2 than start from those stubs

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17:12 <jacereda> I can see lots of different .hpkg files under generated/, which one should I install to see my changes to the nvidia components? And how do I install it? pkgman install <path-to-hpkg>?

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17:14 <PulkoMandy> phcoder, for the "Forbidden" error you probably need to clear cookies for review.haiku-os.org and try again

17:14 <jacereda> Also, does that mean the ReadMe is obsolete?

17:14 <PulkoMandy> jacereda, README should be up to date, but mistakes happen

17:14 <PulkoMandy> and installing just haiku.hpkg should be fine

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17:14 <PulkoMandy> so, yes pkgman install path/to/haiku.hpkg

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17:15 <phcoder> @PulkoMandy: tried this. Tried incognito mode. Same thing.

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17:16 <jacereda> This one? ./generated/objects/haiku/x86_64/packaging/packages_build/regular/hpkg_-haiku.hpkg

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17:21 <phcoder> @PulkoMandy: tried on another system on 2 different browsers. No change

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17:47 <waddlesplash> phcoder: this sometimes seems to happen for random accounts :/

17:47 <waddlesplash> kallisti5 may be able to fix

17:51 <nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 12 commits to master [hrev57230] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=449929ad0e46+%5E7713305bd28f

17:51 <nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 947459f72ea0 - ufs2: Fix warning

17:51 <nekobot> [haiku/haiku] f76f8716cb38 - ufs2: Add rewind_dir functionality

17:51 <nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 7bac1f2ebad6 - ufs2: Add size and file_offset sanity check

17:51 <nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 260e6bd0a6ce - ufs2: Add unmount function

17:51 <nekobot> [haiku/haiku] e62e8e246a98 - ufs2: Add access() support

17:51 <nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 70ef3d35f53b - ufs2: Add st_nlink and st_blocks to stat()

17:51 <nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 0b66f41b8c35 - ufs2: Add free_blocks and fsh_name to fs_info()

17:51 <nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 0f0d334a5074 - ufs2: Fix can_page().

17:51 <nekobot> [haiku/haiku] f2ce9dda4079 - ufs2: Add close and free_cookie

17:51 <nekobot> ...

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17:55 <Begasus> closing down for today, tomorrow another round for openldap .... (at least gnupg needs a rebuild after the switch)

17:55 <zdykstra> have a good night Begasus !

17:55 <nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57231] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=efbeada748cf+%5E449929ad0e46

17:55 <nekobot> [haiku/haiku] efbeada748cf - gnu: add sched_getcpu()

17:55 <Begasus> thnx zdykstra! :)

17:55 <Begasus> cu peeps!

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18:14 <jacereda> Hmm, I get this after attempting a "jam -j6 -q @nightly-raw":

18:15 <jacereda> ...skipped 697 target(s)... ...updated 511 target(s)...

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18:16 <jacereda> And I can't find any haiku.hpkg. Does this indicate a partial build? Perhaps I'm missing some build tool from HaikuDepot?

18:20 <PulkoMandy> Look earlier in the log to see what failed

18:20 <PulkoMandy> If you can't find it, run without -j6 so it doesn't go on for several minutes after something failed

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18:23 <Anarchos> WebPositive has no debug info on x86_64 ?

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18:31 <Anarchos> I got this error when saving a tiddlywiki in Web+ :

18:31 <Anarchos>

18:31 <Anarchos> file:///Data1/wiki.html:14940:15: TypeError: undefined is not an object (evaluating 'options.event.event')

18:31 <Anarchos> undefined:34:19: TypeError: undefined is not an object (evaluating 'options.event.event')

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18:32 <Anarchos> but i can't debug Web+ in Debugger : libJavaScriptCore.so.18.7.4 has no debug symbols

18:36 <PulkoMandy> I'm not sure you will debug a lot using a C++ debugger, you need a javascript debugger for this. Probably some feature in WebKit is missing or not enabled

18:37 <Anarchos> PulkoMandy in Debugger i got invalid opcode exception

18:37 <Anarchos> PulkoMandy is there a way to get a javascript stack trace, to see what's missing ?

18:38 <PulkoMandy> not easily, because the web inspector isn't working yet

18:38 <Anarchos> PulkoMandy i found tiddlywiki really suiting my needs for a personal blog, i hope to be able to use it soon :)

18:39 <PulkoMandy> (it should not be "too hard", webkit web inspector is mostly implemented in html and javascript itself, but I never finished thhe work to activate it)

18:39 <Anarchos> PulkoMandy by the way, i wrote on #haiku-fr about my touchscreen ticket :)

18:40 <PulkoMandy> yes, but I don't think I can give more help on that :( (I have to fix the problems on my own machine first :( )

18:41 <PulkoMandy> I think the only way is to get one developper to have direct access to the machine to test things. By sending test versions of the driver to you and making you test them each time it would take too long...

18:49 <Anarchos> PulkoMandy which developer should i contact ?

18:50 <PulkoMandy> I don't know, someone who lives near you? or you can try bringing the machine to BeGeistert or some similar event if we do one of these again

18:50 <Anarchos> i dream to get to a live meeting of haiku developers for years...

18:51 <Anarchos> PulkoMandy is there a mean to see the usb packets send by the hardware ?

18:51 <Anarchos> (and why they are discareded)

18:51 <Anarchos> or maybe the mouse pad being installed prevents the touchscreen to be use as touchpad ?

18:52 * Anarchos gives his 2cents...

18:52 <PulkoMandy> I don't think we have tools for USB capture yet. Maybe enabling some tracing in the HID driver to make it log everything it does?

18:52 <PulkoMandy> and lower level drivers if needed

18:54 <Anarchos> PulkoMandy was my traces helpful, those in the last comment in the ticket ?

18:56 <PulkoMandy> the traces show the HID driver seems happy about the device and input_server opened it

18:56 <PulkoMandy> so everything looks fine until this point

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18:58 <Anarchos> PulkoMandy strange: when i open the input preferences panel, i see only the AT keyboard and PS2 touchpad

18:59 <PulkoMandy> the input preferences has no specific preferences for a tablet, maybe it ignores it. You can add some tracing in the input preferences code to see if it detects the device or not

18:59 <PulkoMandy> and also in input_server

19:03 <Anarchos> TabletInputDevice.cpp and InputDeviceView.cpp ?

19:05 <PulkoMandy> in the input preferences, mainly in InputWindow.cpp, there is a loop to initialize the device list, InputWindow::FindDevice using get_input_devices

19:06 <PulkoMandy> that calls AddDevice, and if the device is not a touchpad, not a pointing device and not a keyboard, it is ignored

19:06 <PulkoMandy> so adding a trace there in the case where a device is ignored is a good start

19:08 <Anarchos> PulkoMandy thanks

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19:27 <Anarchos> PulkoMandy can i compile an input_server with traces locally and put it in ~/config/non-packaged/servers/input/ ?

19:28 <PulkoMandy> I don't know

19:28 <PulkoMandy> I think you can run your executable with the -q option to stop the existing input_server and replace it, then you can see traces in terminal from the new running one?

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19:36 <Anarchos> PulkoMandy input_server -q bricked the Desktop :)

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19:39 <Anarchos> hello gouchi

19:46 <gouchi> Anarchos: hi

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19:58 <Anarchos1> «input_server -q; input_server » doesn't work either…

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