<Begasus>
just wish it could run native on bare metal
<Begasus>
32bit native*
<Begasus>
weird that it crashes on the data archive for icu66
<humdinger>
I dread when this notebook needs replacing...
<humdinger>
9 years old now.
<Begasus>
the other laptop still running 32bit native ... 12years old by now :)
<Begasus>
but SLOW compared to this one ;)
<humdinger>
if Moore's law holds tru, my next machine will indeed fly.
<Begasus>
still have another one still capable of running Haiku 32bit, think it's somewhere around 20years old :)
<humdinger>
This i7@2.3ghz 8core feels quite snappy already.
<Begasus>
Had a good price on this one, around €800
<humdinger>
I may even opt for less speed but cooler/quite setup. if there is such a thing.
<humdinger>
my main concern is working gfx + wlan + lan + audio.
<Begasus>
when builds are running it's not the most silent one either here, but I'll take that
<Begasus>
for wlan I baught an extra USB dongle
<humdinger>
here, too. that's when the turbine comes on...
<Begasus>
works perfert
<Begasus>
yeah :-)
<Begasus>
if they turn on here without something building I know it's Web+
<humdinger>
when on github
<Begasus>
yeah, and not always
<Begasus>
can't just pinpoint a certain address, happens randomly
<humdinger>
get it on github every time. sometimes on websites with much media stuff. otherwise, web+ works very nicely
<Begasus>
using Web+ mostly for checking up on things, Otter still around to read up on email
<humdinger>
mail_daemon works for me :)
<Begasus>
using gmail, so haven't really tackled it to work on that
<humdinger>
worked for me with an app password, but I moved away from Google.
<Begasus>
joined in there when you still needed to get an invitation to join :)
<humdinger>
I only lost my Gerrit account... :(
<Begasus>
yeah, saw the conversations in the mails
<humdinger>
cool, so Google has a detailed history of you. :D
<Begasus>
no one to recover that?
<humdinger>
kallisti5[m] wanted to look into it, but it appears not to be easy...
<Begasus>
if it isn't Google it's someone else, I'm not worried there
* Begasus
is not paranoid :P
<humdinger>
well. if the provider only makes money from your regular payments and no ads, there's no incentive to snoop on you.
<Begasus>
haven't seen any money dissapear from my bank account yet ;)
<humdinger>
They trade your data and web behaviour around behind your back. no need to actually crime and empty your bank account.
<Begasus>
freedom of choice, if you can't stand it use something else :)
<Begasus>
not much to grab here
<humdinger>
exactly. I took the jump and wished I did it earlier.
<Begasus>
mostly search for build errors :P
<humdinger>
The mailbox.org webinterface to email alone works much better than Google.
<Begasus>
does it also provide 2-way security?
<humdinger>
it does.
<humdinger>
there's a 30day try out phase, if you're interested. :)
<Begasus>
Tried epiphany the other day to login to my gmail account, need to give my code to confirm it's me
<Begasus>
nah, I'm good so far, got this thing over 20years now
<Begasus>
could also use my providers email if needed (although I have to lookup on things for that) :P
<humdinger>
yeah. but ISPs may change.
<humdinger>
Google is forever :) :) :)
<Begasus>
right :P
<Begasus>
maybe should improt my backups for mail from back in the days, could be some nice things in there :)
<Begasus>
import*
<humdinger>
the speedtest_cli package appears to be empty...
<humdinger>
do I need speedtest_cli_python39 ?
<Begasus>
yep
<Begasus>
one of the downsides from python packages :/
<humdinger>
my connection sucks extremo:
<humdinger>
Download: 3.19 Mbit/s
<humdinger>
Upload: 0.95 Mbit/s
<Begasus>
could use an upgrade :)
<humdinger>
Already ordered fiber, but they still have to put those in the ground.
<Begasus>
eeps
<Begasus>
k, doggies ... biab
<humdinger>
what's the speedtest_cli package is for?
<humdinger>
woof woof
<Begasus>
nothing, as most of the primary python packages
<humdinger>
why does it exist then?
<humdinger>
let me guess: a hp quirk.
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<Begasus>
not really a hp quirk I think
<Begasus>
they are tied to a specific python version, so the primary one can't be linked to a specific one
<humdinger>
so a python/hp combo quirk
<Begasus>
yeah :)
<Begasus>
one sollution maybe would be a "default" that adds the other ones .... could be investigated, but no one tackled that
<Begasus>
maybe something for OscarL :P
<Begasus>
k, think it's time to bump icu73 and enable it
<humdinger>
as he lives with pythons already anyway.
<Begasus>
base package is fine, tools and devel package conflict with others
<Begasus>
he does? :P
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<humdinger>
apparently not. where's he, chile, argentina, I forgot.
<humdinger>
wiki says: Pythons are found in sub-Saharan Africa, Nepal, India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Southeast Asia, southeastern Pakistan, southern China, the Philippines and Australia
<Begasus>
cleaning up on python3.8 would be the next thing there
<humdinger>
I'd have put them in south america...
<Begasus>
far away from here :)
<Begasus>
probably only both primary arch's should be enabled for icu73?
<humdinger>
I'm no help there...
<Begasus>
icu70 also only enabled for those
<Begasus>
not sure how progress is on like arm, riscv64 ...
<Begasus>
for those that need it they can still enable them I presume :)
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 50c1dcb - icu73, bump version, enable for 32bit and 64bit (#9292)
<Begasus>
next .. boost1.83 :)
<Begasus>
though I still haven't figures out why boost_locale is not build ... :/
<Begasus>
cxx11_static_assert doesn't seem to be supported? gcc related? :/
<Begasus>
nah, boost170 is still fine with gcc13, so can't be that ...
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<jmairboeck>
Begasus, humdinger: I guess haikuporter could be modified to skip creating packages if they end up empty (and it should maybe print a warning in this case)
<Begasus>
jmairboeck, that's python, not my cup of tea ;)
<Begasus>
has been discussed before thought (iirc)
<jmairboeck>
python is normally not my main programming language either (professionally I do mostly C# and C++), but I have written some python code in the past
<Begasus>
another thing, those packages are not realy "empty" they contain .PackageInfo file
<jmairboeck>
every package contain that, otherwise it wouldn't be a valid package, and haikuporter creates that.
<jmairboeck>
I think it would be better to check the contents of the /packaging directories before creating the package
<Begasus>
beyond my skills :)
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<humdinger>
off hunting for food
* humdinger
waves
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<Begasus>
bbl
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<jmairboeck>
I found the issue where this was discussed before: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuporter/issues/192 - Also, after looking at the code a bit, doing it automatically based on the packaging directory being empty, won't work probably because we also have build packages and dependency infos to consider.
<jmairboeck>
So it is probably best to provide an explicit setting like DISABLE_MAIN_PACKAGE, as korli suggested.
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<Niklas[m]>
Hi, I'm currently trying to port a rather big application to Haiku and have come quite far already, but I don't know how to find the path of the current executable here. On Solaris I'd read the symlink from /proc/self/path/a.out or on BSD I do some sysctl with CTL_KERN and KERN_PROC but Haiku seems to have neither a /proc fs nor a sysctl function (or at least I couldn't find it). Any ideas? It's a C++ application so I can access Haiku-specific
<nortti>
when I run `../configure --cross-tools-source ../../buildtools/ --build-cross-tools x86_gcc2 --build-cross-tools x86` from within the haiku/generated.x86gcc2 directory, I get errors from ld about Scrt1.o, crti.o, -lgcc being missing and it skipping incompatible libgcc files on my system
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<nortti>
this feels like something in the build is trying to use my system libraries when it's supposed to use its own-built ones. how would I debug this?
<PulkoMandy>
What is your host system? On haiku this is probably caused by a missing or outdated gcc_syslibs package
<nortti>
debian testing
<nortti>
the specific errors are https://p.ahti.space/86df0c.html (I tried setting CC=gcc too, but doesn't seem to make any difference)
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<nortti>
the problem looks to have been that I did not have gcc-multilib installed
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