<Begasus>
no good probably as mentioned in one of the issues :)
<Nephele>
debian is not that well tuned for desktop :( frequent delays when i type stuff and such
<Nephele>
haiku is spoiling me with it's responsiveness
<Nephele>
maybe I can tune it a bit for desktop use
<Begasus>
afaik it's more suited for servers?
<Nephele>
sure, linux generally is. But the audio stuff just doesn't run on Haiku now. so i need to set up elsewhere
<Nephele>
we have medo, we need a native equivalent for an audio editor like tenacity. some more drivers, and stresstesting it that it all works :D
<Nephele>
funny how the systemd "we'll just spawn the tty on demand!" code makes it so switching to a tty for the first time has me waiting 10 seconds for that tty :(
<Nephele>
the scheduling is not that well suited for my usecase
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<OscarL-x64>
" ... skipped 'not enough memory: 8589934592.0G minimum needed'" <<< I might be a bit short on memory for this test :-(
<Begasus>
g'morning OscarL-x64 :)
<Nephele>
nice OscarL-x64
<OscarL-x64>
Hello Begasus, nephele.
<OscarL-x64>
Tonight I went down from 25 to 18 failed tests on Python 3.13. Nothing critical, but at least will shorten the noise when doing test runs (and also helps me understand things better).
<Begasus>
progress :)
<Nephele>
linux turns off the display when the brightness is below 14% oof
<OscarL-x64>
Was able to compile 3.13.0rc1 with LTO enabled, AND "make $jobArgs"... on RAMFS, bare metal... build time <18 mins (beats the hell out of the 70-80 minutes from yesterday).
<OscarL-x64>
LTO about 5% faster than regular builds (on syntetic benchmarks at least).
<OscarL-x64>
nephele: yeah... got something like that on VoidLinux too (intel UHD600 integrated graphics ) :-D
<OscarL-x64>
had to manually search for the correct minimum useable value.
<Begasus>
k, back to KDE :)
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<Nephele>
OscarL-x64: i know the radeon driver also deliberately turns the backlight off when you set 0 brightness
<Nephele>
(for ours though we don't do that, i don't like that users using a slider can accidentally turn off the display... it's nice for the mac touchbar and nowhere else)
<OscarL-x64>
yeah... that GUI slider into total darkness wasn't nice at all :-D (made me end up setting min value on "rc.local" instead)
<Nephele>
hmm, thinking about this more, we might need to take special care with OLED displays, if you assume you control the "brightness" then a value of 0 should really be the display beeing off
<Nephele>
so maybe figure out what a minimum is that makes sense for OLED and also set that
<phschafft>
ALSA reports them the same as your hardware reports them.
<phschafft>
over here I just select the device called 'default' and then the number of channels. on this machine that's two.
<Nephele>
not sure what you mean by that... Alsa is just an api. It doesn't treat the usb microphone different to an internal one
<Nephele>
and the devices it lists are *definetely* not all ALSA devices
<Nephele>
unless debian configures it in a very wild way :)
<phschafft>
I have hardly an idea what you're talking about to begin with.
<phschafft>
what you say seems very strange to me and doesn't match the dialog I have in my copy of audacity.
<Nephele>
then your sentence of "Alsa reports them the same" makes no sense...
<phschafft>
but in general PortAudio forwards the listing of the devices as reported by the drivers. and the ALSA portaudio driver reports the names as reported by ALSA. And ALSA generally reports them as reported by the hardware.
<Nephele>
"generally" yes. Unless your distro adds *anything* to it
<Nephele>
like pulseaudio loopback devices
<Nephele>
even if pulseaudio is not active then
<phschafft>
which is why I told you to just select the default device in most cases.
<Nephele>
default device is at the end of the list, and there are 6 of them. unless default doesn't actually mean default in this case
<phschafft>
if you have an external device than, for all externel devices I own, they are labled somehow matching the physical device. such as by it's vendor and type name.
<Nephele>
it is in the system volume mixer, but not in audacity
<phschafft>
what you list above: 'Mic:0', 'Mic:1', 'Line:0', ... seems to be the ports on that device.
<Nephele>
but using *any* of the default labeled devices seems to use what the volume mixer has set
<phschafft>
so maybe your dialog doesn't list the devices but the ports in a 'device: port' style.
<phschafft>
I sadly need to get to my next appointment, my flatmate is waiting for me at the shops.
<Nephele>
Well, it also allows me to seelct 64 channels for recording, which seems awfully wrong to me for this microphone
<Nephele>
:)
<phschafft>
maybe you can make some screenshots for me when I return?
<Nephele>
have fun
<phschafft>
without having even the slighest idea what you're looking at it's really hard to help. ;)
<Nephele>
i doubt that helps, i am just annoyed at the hoops linux makes me jump trhough
<Nephele>
:D
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<phschafft>
I'm sorry to hear that. but I must also say that ALSA is the only driver package that actually did map stuff correctly for me.
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<Nephele>
it mostly does, yeah. but it is unsuprising to me that it breaks with the OS (in this case debian) installing severall audio servers ontop of it
<phschafft>
something everything else failed because they tried to hide stuff. ending up by hiding the devices I wanted to use. ;)
<Nephele>
maybe i should install one ore two more to fix it ;)
<phschafft>
so, time to jump. see you later today!
<Nephele>
have fun
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<Nephele>
Begasus; just saw someone post "is_computer_on()" system call on mastadon xD
<Begasus>
DaaT? ;)
<Begasus>
Don't have tokodon running atm :)
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<Nephele>
Begasus: what does "DaaT" mean?
<Begasus>
it's the guy that ran IsComputerOn website/blog :)
<Nephele>
ah, don't know about that, it was just a screenshot from the bebook
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 424abd4d5783 - BClipboard: Don't wait forever for a clipboard download.
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<Skipp_OSX>
can somebody help me get past these Haiku build errors on macOS? It appears that it's not using stdc++ and so I get Undefined symbols for architecture x86_64: "std::logic_error::logic_error(char const*)", referenced from:
<Skipp_OSX>
...failed Link /Volumes/Haiku/Haiku/haiku/generated/objects/darwin/lib/libpackage_build.so ...
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 9d694bc9eb9e - multi_audio: Guard against overreads in _GetControlName.
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<Skipp_OSX>
hmmm ok progress... I think perhaps the problem is that libsupc++ needs to be added to packages lib because the functions it needs are defined in a different library on macOS (libsupc++ instead of libstdc++)
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<waddlesplash>
Skipp_OSX: we have $(HOST_LIBSUPC++) for that
<Skipp_OSX>
yeah, that needs to be added to src/build/libpackage/Jamfile... I think
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<DigitalBox98>
Hello, trying to create a recipe for Nifskope. I've a first version working partially on Haiku with a manually build + 2 patches. Once my recipe is ready (in progress), the next step is to propose a PR on HaikuPorts correct ?
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<Skipp_OSX>
yes it worked!
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