<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] b3a64f585665 - BListView: Do not call virtual ScrollTo(BPoint) method in ScrollTo(index).
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<Addos>
Hi, does anyone know if there are known bugs with the latest haiku 64bit nightly where teapot and haiku3d show the terminate dialog, even though the apps themselves seem to be running ok?
<Addos>
also, haiku seems to run pretty fast in emulation on my m1 macbook air
<Skipp_OSX>
yeah I'm running latest nightly and it is showing crash when running teapot app
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<Addos>
thanks just was curious
<Skipp_OSX>
it might be only happening on the live environment
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<Addos>
oh interesting, I could try to install and see if it still happens
<Skipp_OSX>
if it's the bug I'm thinking of it's been present a while...
<Skipp_OSX>
sometime after R1B4 but not recently
<Addos>
oh interesting
<Addos>
thanks for the info
<Addos>
I will have to test it
<Addos>
haiku is so darn amazing
<Addos>
installed it, going to try to boot it and see if they still crash
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<Begasus>
g'morning peeps
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<Nephele>
hi Begasus
* phschafft
rolls a bigger-than-live cookie thru the channel. exits on the other side but soon returns with a number of smaller cookies to refill the cookie bowl.
<phschafft>
good morning.
<Nephele>
phschafft: you need to get your sugar consumption under control, putting cookies here every day. how about some vegetables? :D
<phschafft>
hm...
<phschafft>
your input will be considered.
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<coolcoder613>
Considered... and then stored in it's rightful home, /dev/null
<phschafft>
;)
<Begasus>
Hi nephele phschafft coolcoder613 :)
* phschafft
waves to Begasus.
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<phschafft>
nephele: you weren't around yesterday when I spoke with erysdren.
<phschafft>
nephele: I'm considering to write some small library to access some file attributes and properties in a portable way.
<phschafft>
mostly to not repeat doing that for my own projects. but I thought you might be interested as well.
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<Begasus>
ok, flac13 removed from the system (64bit) :)
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<Anarchos>
i can't "pkgman update" : *** Failed to download package haiku_loader: Resource not found
<Begasus>
Anarchos, on R1B4 still?
<Anarchos>
no i am on nighlty
<Anarchos>
haiku_devel-r1~beta4_hrev57936-1
<Begasus>
checking 32bit
<Begasus>
getting a checksum error on "Haiku"
<Begasus>
and now "interupted system call" :/
* Anarchos
is on 64 bit
<Begasus>
this 64bit still on R1B4 :)
<jmairboeck>
hm, I think I'll still add conflicts to the guile devel (and tools) packages, because the devel package contains an aclocal m4 file which conflicts
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] jmairboeck 8360137 - guile 3.0: new version of guile (#10798)
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<Begasus>
let's try to build nexcloud client with ssl3 ..
<Begasus>
another one down jmairboeck :)
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<jmairboeck>
just some preparation for upgrading lilypond later (when the next stable version is released), because I noticed that the unstable versions dropped support for guile 2.2 and now require 3.0
<jmairboeck>
and it should perform better than 2.2, and probably has other improvements, if someone uses guile for something else :)
<Begasus>
yeah, read your comment on future lilypond, on par for that then
<jmairboeck>
I don't know when it will come, could be a few months still
<Begasus>
k, time to update the other 32bit install to nightly ...
<Begasus>
atleast that one runs native
* phschafft
wonders if the error message is slightly off. e.g. it is needed by a dependency of /boot/system/lib/x86/libQt5Core.so.5.15.14 or dynamically loaded after the process bootstrap.
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] jmairboeck 2eac4f7 - antlr: bump version
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<Nephele>
phschafft: re: library. Why? isn't there a standard way already in the posix api?
<Nephele>
> For example, Tracker and OpenTracker, the file-managers of BeOS and Haiku respectively, both store the locations of file icons in attributes,[8] Haiku's "Mail" service stores all message content and metadata in extended file attributes,
<phschafft>
for some stuff, yes. for others no. and then there are systems that have a legacy API and don't support the same feature via their POSIX implementation.
<Nephele>
Hmm, wikipedia is mostly incorrect, as always with tech stuff....
<phschafft>
(which happens then people implement a feature before it was in the standard. but then didn't add the standard way (yet))
<phschafft>
and then there are subtile differences. such as how operations block.
<Nephele>
It may make sense for you to write such a lib indeed. Though since most of my stuff is Haiku only I doubt it would be usefull to me :)
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<phschafft>
and then you have stuff like media types. there is the XDG way that was ment to go in for POSIX (but then just didn't make it, yet it is supported on many systems). But they tend to have little differences in the API.
<Nephele>
... what is the XDG way?
<phschafft>
and then there is Haiku doing with it's mime type thing that is close but also very different and clearly not compatible.
<phschafft>
you store the media subtype in a standard file attribute.
<phschafft>
XDG provies a set of standard attributes that are similar (but not equal) to standard ones seen on Haiku.
<Nephele>
is that actually supported on linux properly?
<phschafft>
yes.
<phschafft>
for example with wget use --xattr to store it (and others).
<Nephele>
I've only ever had linux "fans" argue with me on the basis that they *don't* store the media-type, and that that would clearly be better
<Nephele>
(i.e relying only on the magic sniffer)
<phschafft>
the only discussions I see on that are related to security.
<Nephele>
okay?
<phschafft>
(which naturally is a more complex topic involving a number of attributes and how they work together)
<Nephele>
maybe linux desktop should store more info on their applications in the ELF file or extended attributes, and less in .desktop files
<phschafft>
which is why wget has the option. it is considered a potential security problem to store that stuff. therefore it's off by default in wget.
<Nephele>
okay... default off sounds like "not used by desktop linux"
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<phschafft>
default off for wget.
<phschafft>
firefox also is going without it for the same security reasons. it is mostly a problem for programs downloading stuff.
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<Nephele>
i don't see what's so problematic about saving what the server told you *shrug*
<phschafft>
said the person arguing for a system that doesn't even have a login prompt. ;)
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<phschafft>
it's a complicated topic.
<Nephele>
when did I argue?
<Nephele>
I can't recall ever recomending that you or anyone else should switch to Haiku...
<phschafft>
all my point here is, that I have seen at least four ways of stroing the media subtype. and it depends on operating systems and filesystems.
<phschafft>
so it would be nice to have a abstracted getter/setter.
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<phschafft>
which would also include that values on different systems may not be directly mappable as they are of different types.
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<Nephele>
hello nickserv
<phschafft>
haha.
<phschafft>
the *main* reason I want to do this however is interacting with the write mode, the final values, a tiny bit of block allocation, and most importantly obtaining the ISE for the inode.
<phschafft>
which is all very dependent on the filesystem used.
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<phschafft>
altering the wrote mode requires on of four system calls (what I found so far) depending on the filesystem and the value you want to set. and it's not because Linux is having a complicated API. it's just that filesystems handle that super differently.
<OscarL>
Begasus: libevent21 (older version than current "libevent-2.1") got re-enabled in the past, due to Falkon crashing (#7766)... right now, I start Falkon, and "listimage | grep libevent" shows nothing...
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<OscarL>
just mentioning this because I would like to just remove the old recipe (libevent21), but... how the heck we check if some other .hpkg still needs that libevent-2.1.so.6 ?
<OscarL>
mmm, Falkon is pegging one core to 100%, lol!
<OscarL>
same polling issue that with links, it seems (according to strace)
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* OscarL
starts to rebase his old "pkgman search --not-required" branch.
<Begasus>
my my ... so now we have got to give opninions on others? forum is downgrading for me lately :/
<phschafft>
hm?
<Begasus>
OscarL, guess I can't check the changes on beta4?
<OscarL>
not the one for newer libevent with kqueue enabled. But given that Falkon doesn't seems to be using libevent now... dunno.
<Begasus>
k :)
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<OscarL>
can't find any mention of libevent on Falkon's recipe history... maybe it was used by some of the libraries it uses?
<OscarL>
(gtkwebkit?)
<Begasus>
no
<Begasus>
uses qtwebengine
<OscarL>
right, qt app.
<Begasus>
got some fixes for falkon crashing iirc
<OscarL>
(I got confused while thinking about Adrien's issue with gtkwebkit+libevent)
* Begasus
goes checking if ksirk can be build/run ...
<Begasus>
yeah :)
<Begasus>
got stuck on trying to get fluidsynth building with gcc2 ...
<OscarL>
guess that's still needed for BeOS apps compatibility?
<Begasus>
not sure, so far only sdl2_mixer is using it on 32bit (gcc2)
<Begasus>
atleast from what I could track with uninstalling
<OscarL>
while checkif for that... /me discovers the "shockolate" recipe... I will be playing some System Shock on when Beta5 arrives :-D
<OscarL>
s/checkif/checking/
<Begasus>
:)
<jmairboeck>
Begasus: is SDL2 itself even available for gcc2?
<OscarL>
"lib:libfluidsynth$secondaryArchSuffix >= 2" <<< for sdl2_mixer
<OscarL>
jmairboeck: right, and I guess some old BeOS app might even link to it directly?
<OscarL>
(ones not using MidiKit directly, I mean... some old port)
<Begasus>
almost there .... mv: cannot stat '/packages/ksirk24-24.07.90-1/.self/lib/projectx.*': No such file or directory
<OscarL>
I always confuse those libs and the timidity sound fonts :-D
<PulkoMandy>
jmairboeck: It used to be fluidsynth but it was replaced
<PulkoMandy>
So it seems fine to remove the libraries from gcc2 if nothing needs them there (also disabling sdl2_mixer)
<jmairboeck>
ah, thanks PulkoMandy! I did stumble on it when porting portmidi.
<Begasus>
+1 :)
<Begasus>
Warning: POLICY WARNING: "/packaging/ksirk24/bin/ksirk" needs library "libKDEGames6.so.6", but the package doesn't seem to declare that as a requirement
<PulkoMandy>
We used balena etcher because it has mac os and linux versions
<PulkoMandy>
But I think it wasnt that big back then?
<Nephele>
we should pick proper software for those OS. or just explain people how cp works
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<Nephele>
also works fine on Haiku btw, except for cp *continously* misreading the device file as beeing a directory. and i have no idea how that could happen
<Nephele>
(but is fixed with -T)
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<Begasus>
etcher works fine enough for me on Windows :P
<OscarL>
yay! according to my "pkgman search --not-required", "libevent21" can get the boot :-P
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<OscarL>
mmm, but "libevent_devel" also appears there, lol.
<Begasus>
yay! :P
<OscarL>
"build_python310" mmm, I think I broke it :-D
<Begasus>
rofl
<Begasus>
going strong there :P
<Begasus>
atleast you end up with a "clean" system ;)
<OscarL>
can use some free space :-)
<Begasus>
nuke some administrative states? ;)
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<OscarL>
welp... --not-required only checkes for runtime deps, so... I think it makes sense now :-)
<OscarL>
(this is pkgman, not haikuporter after all :-D)
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<kallisti5[m]>
FIREFOX?!
<kallisti5[m]>
KENZ: I think you're my hero
<waddlesplash>
lol, kallisti5[m] just found out what the rest of the internet heard about 2 days ago :P
<OscarL>
MOSAIC?!
<waddlesplash>
(it got posted to HN)
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<kallisti5[m]>
I've been off in Houston at a concert for the last two days lol
<kallisti5[m]>
everyone keeps saying haikuports and the haiku repo are out of sync
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<kallisti5[m]>
... this isn't accurate though. haikuports r1beta4 is a symlink to the haikuports master folder on the server ;-)
<kallisti5[m]>
however, the builders were upgraded to r1beta5.. which means new haikuports packages are referencing haiku-*r1beta5 which users don't have yet 🤔
<kallisti5[m]>
for nightly, it isn't an issue because nightly is r1beta5... however r1beta4 isn't getting the r1beta5 versioning
<kallisti5[m]>
😮💨 we need dedicated release repos
<kallisti5[m]>
(for haikuports)
<kallisti5[m]>
anyway, yeah. I guess disabling the r1beta4 repos is a good short term fix for this until r1beta5 is out
* OscarL
avoids some temp object creations, shaves a couple of seconds of run-time. C'mon compiler, thought you were smarter than me!
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<Begasus>
shaves?
<Begasus>
someone is growing a beard? :)
<OscarL>
/me, while waiting for my slowpoke code to finish :-P
<OscarL>
mmm, turns out we can just uninstall wpa_supplicant.
<Begasus>
heh
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<OscarL>
"uninstall package haiku-r1~beta5_hrev57953-1" <<< maybe pkgman should *really* try to avoid that :-D
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<Begasus>
I'm guess in your case the clean system is a unbootable one? :P
<OscarL>
could be, given than if you hit enter by accident... it will just proceed with the uninstall :-)
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<Nephele>
I think it's interesting how many complaints there are about the repo outage, the last beta releases the same thing happened... but not nearly as many people noticed and complained, i think that is a good sign :D
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<Coldfirex>
yay github is doqn
<erysdren>
RIP
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<x512[m]>
GitHub recovered.
<coolcoder613>
I tried, but I couldn't get the port to work. => <OscarL> MOSAIC?!