<erysdren>
it's quiet right now. many of the developers are european, and it's early in the morning there
<MyUniqueNickNameIsCool>
oh, I didn't consider that, sorry
<erysdren>
its okay
<zdykstra>
Other people here might be able to help you, though
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<Nephele>
I can't get any debug info for Koder, it's so annoying :( it's compiled with DEBUGGER true, with SYMBOLS true, with -O0 but still no symbols at all
<MyUniqueNickNameIsCool>
i'm trying to create an input filter that disables certain key combination while a specific application is running, but it does not work well
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<erysdren>
nephele: don't you have to compile with -g3?
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 26a2b18 - kdevelop, bump version for libsvn_client (#10668)
* coolcoder613
accepts one
* phschafft
smiles and nods.
<Begasus>
jmairboeck, still the same
<jmairboeck>
do you have local packages in your haikuports/packages folder?
<jmairboeck>
I had that problem before
<Begasus>
nothing perl related in there
<Begasus>
nothing pops up also when the build starts (for local packages)
<Begasus>
closing down here, bbl
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<dalme_>
I'm having trouble debugging Haiku using GDB + QEMU. I've followed this procedure: https://wiki.osdev.org/Kernel_Debugging#Use_GDB_with_QEMU (except for the stripping symbols thing, I just use the binary). I'm loading the symbols of my nvmm only. Everything goes well until I issue "continue". It then runs the OS without ever stopping, even though the function were I put the breakpoint gets called (It writes to the kernel log). I've
<dalme_>
been searching the web and I found someone claiming to have the same problem and that it was fixed by using hardware breakpoints but that hasn't worked for me. I've checked that the file I'm loading the symbols from is the same I'm running on Haiku. Any ideas? It's the first time I'm doing this
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<Begasus>
back home :)
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<Begasus>
jmairboeck, looks like pkgman update didn't pull the update on perl, running pkgman full-sync does
<jmairboeck>
ah, of course, because there are likely some things that are not yet ready
<Begasus>
*** failed to commit transaction: Failed to change the package activation in packagefs: Name in use
<Begasus>
someone should fix this :)
<Begasus>
Error: problem 1: nothing provides vendor_perl>=5.32 needed by alien_sdl-1.446-2
<Begasus>
jmairboeck, can I delete this dir? /boot/system/non-packaged/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.32
<jmairboeck>
yes
<Begasus>
alien_sdl probably needs a revbump?
<jmairboeck>
yes, that is included in my PR
<Begasus>
yep
<Begasus>
ah
<Begasus>
;)
<PulkoMandy>
dalme_: This may not work for kernel add-ons that get loaded at a random base address in memory, which won't match with what's in the executable headers
<PulkoMandy>
Qemu and gdb won't pe abne to match the breakpoint address with anything useful then
<jmairboeck>
You are still missing a dependency then. That package is called locale_maketext_lexicon, but it provides both names so I didn't bother changing it
<Begasus>
had the wrong one installed here it seems
<Begasus>
not sure why I had a package for the other one ;)
<Begasus>
Up and Running :D
<jmairboeck>
I'm currently adding some resources to it so that it looks nicer
<jmairboeck>
when I'm done with that, it will be really ready to merge :)
<Begasus>
+1, all good here, still nice to have it back around :D
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<drumr7>
Does it matter if Haiku is installed on a GPT or MBR drive?
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<Begasus>
no expert here, but isn't that the same? (me ducks)
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<Begasus>
eg GPT uses MBR?
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<qwebirc66220>
Also, should I use EFI or CSM?
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<HaikuUser>
Well, I have installed haikuos, and I have found several things, first I installed Postgresql 12, I have to do some things to make it work. It doesn't have a GUI like pgadmin, or any java SQL GUI for administrate out of the box... saddly. Also, it doesn't have mysql server ou mariadb server. Python doesn't work with PIP, we need to install libraries, and thoose libraries, some are available, the most important ones aren't out of box
<HaikuUser>
like PANDAS, NUMPY, MATPLOTLIB, ... the most common, some are available in one version, but not in another...
<HaikuUser>
java doesn't run out of the box in terminal, if I type "java" in terminal it says command not found... but it is installed !
<jmairboeck>
HaikuUser: for java, there are packages with a "_default" which provide the command
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<HaikuUser>
with java there are lots of software that can be run on top of it, but they aren't on haikudepot... :( saddly
<jmairboeck>
we have multiple java versions but there can only one of the "default" packages be installed at the same time
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<HaikuUser>
jmairboeck, I installed the default, it works great, I can run in the command line, why it is installed by default?
<HaikuUser>
it is installed the _jre and not the _default... :(
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<HaikuUser>
jmairboeck thanks for the tip
<jmairboeck>
we unfortunately don't have suggested packages yet, so we can't install the _default package automatically, because it wouldn't work when you already have another version of java installed
<HaikuUser>
jmair, I'm downloading sql power architect for linux, it runs on top of java... I will try to use with postgresql :P
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] jmairboeck bd718f5 - sdl_perl: revbump for rebuild
<jmairboeck>
yes, the buildmaster attempted to build them out of order :(
<Begasus>
was thinking about that earlier ;)
<jmairboeck>
this was the first of two fixup commits
<Begasus>
sorry to get inbetween :D
<Begasus>
I'll wait with the boost PR untill you are done there, no hurry on that one
<HaikuUser>
if someone wants to run Haiku without problems, Haiku runs great on top of "HP Compaq 8200 Elite SFF" !
<jmairboeck>
the last one will be texinfo, otherwise I think I'm now done with the perl upgrade :)
<Begasus>
pretty pleased with this ryzen7 laptop HaikuUser :)
<HaikuUser>
Begasus, i installed in 5 computers and laptops and none of them worked, some have problems with video cards, others with wifi, ... a shame...
<Begasus>
it runs on 5 laptops here, this one being the most recent ones, with minor issues they all still work fine
<jmairboeck>
is augiedoggie's ImageToIcon addon packaged? I didn't find it.
<Begasus>
no idea
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<Begasus>
;)
<jmairboeck>
and is there an easier way to convert that to an rdef than catattr and xxd?
<Begasus>
Firework, using an external USB wifi dongle on this one, minor issue :)
<jmairboeck>
which is what I used for the Frozen-Bubble icons
<Begasus>
from png to IOM/rdef?
<Firework>
Begasus, ya... that's a minor issue... but in the computer I don't need doogles, it works out of the box...
<Firework>
does anyone tried to compile firebirdsql in haiku?
<Begasus>
bonus! :D
<jmairboeck>
I converted them to BeOS style mini and large icons, because there is no vector version apparently
<Begasus>
don't think so Firework, not seeing anything in the recipes
<jmairboeck>
ah, resattr has a reverse mode! That would have helped.
<augiedoggie>
i never bothered to add a recipe since it's such a niche piece of software
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<jmairboeck>
augiedoggie: what would be the ideal workflow to convert png images to rdef
<jmairboeck>
?
<augiedoggie>
the rdef syntax can import images directly
<jmairboeck>
and use them as 'large_icon' and 'mini_icon'?
<augiedoggie>
dunno about that, i'm not fully awake yet :P
<jmairboeck>
of course, a HVIF would be better, but that needs something like an SVG as input
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<HaikuUser>
In python3, using "pip install pandas" or "numpy" or "matlib" give me an error unsupported platform: haiku. Please contact the scikit-build team :P
<Begasus>
HaikuUser, use "pip3" for python3.10
<Begasus>
errr ... nvm, it should be good for python310
<Begasus>
numpy should be available in the depot
<HaikuUser>
starting "python3.10 -m"
<HaikuUser>
pip install pandas...
<HaikuUser>
Failed to building wheel for ninja
<Begasus>
ninja for python?
<Begasus>
or regular ninja (is available)
<Begasus>
getting build error on numpy with that ...
<HaikuUser>
Begasus, Thanks to you, I installed ninja from HaikuDepot, pandas is installing build dependencies
<Begasus>
../numpy/_core/src/umath/string_buffer.h:501:5: error: expected primary-expression before ')' token
<Begasus>
eeps, probably needs newer numpy (which I never got around to build)
<Begasus>
iirc there was something related to rust(?)
<HaikuUser>
same here to pandas
<HaikuUser>
in string_buffer.h
* Begasus
isn't looking forward on tackling numpy again ... while still fighting with lua
<Begasus>
NumPy 2.0.0
<HaikuUser>
string_ufuncs... numpy problem...
<Begasus>
looks like our meson is too old to build it ;) meson.build:9:17: ERROR: Meson version is 1.2.1 but project requires >=1.2.99
<HaikuUser>
I found a problem, I had installed numpy from haikudepot for python 3.10 but the version in haikudepot is 1.26.0-1, so I unistall and if I use pip install on python, it have version numpy-2.0.0 :P
<Begasus>
ah, so it worked without the one installed?
<HaikuUser>
begasus, I sucessfully installed meson version 1.4.1 on python 3.10 :P
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] jmairboeck aa16108 - texinfo-7: bump version (#10666)
<HaikuUser>
it had 2 warnings Begasus... but installed
<HaikuUser>
trying numpy again
* Begasus
bangs head .. focus! :)
<jmairboeck>
besides one pending revbump for frozen-bubble, I think I'm done with the perl upgrade :)
<jmairboeck>
now we have perl 5.40, and with threading support
<Begasus>
and celebrate! (or help out with lua) :P
<Begasus>
taking a break there for the moment
<HaikuUser>
Please don't put python packages on HaikuDepot, let users use "pip install" on python :P
<Begasus>
yeah, we're already there HaikuUser
<Begasus>
same for perl
<Begasus>
and maybe shortly for lua also
<Begasus>
it's just that sometimes it needs patching, not that easy when using "pip install"
<jmairboeck>
the perl documentation is now clearly outdated: https://perldoc.perl.org/perlhaiku -- "Known issues: Perl cannot be compiled with threading support ATM." :D
<jmairboeck>
although it did require some patching, and one rather scary one ...
<HaikuUser>
Begasus it must be a way to patching :P a computer geek will solve the problem :P
<Begasus>
jmairboeck, patches welcome :D
<jmairboeck>
HaikuUser: the solution would be to upstream the patches so that they aren't needed any more. Then pip install should work.
<Begasus>
HaikuUser, we can always use a few of those :)
<jmairboeck>
Begasus: that hrev number on that perldoc page is ancient :)
<jmairboeck>
so that wasn't updated in a long time
<jmairboeck>
"Last update: 2008"
<HaikuUser>
Begasus, the string_buffer, it is related to umath, need to "pip install umath" :P
<Begasus>
eeps! long overdue then :P
<Begasus>
see, it takes one to know one HaikuUser :P
<HaikuUser>
umath sucessfully installed
<Begasus>
our main python guy isn't around, he would be more of a help here :)
<HaikuUser>
Begasus :P you are the guy
<Begasus>
biab
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<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] jmairboeck 1c69076 - frozen_bubble: revbump for rebuild
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<x512[m]>
Anybody managed to build Firefox except kenz-gelsoft?
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<Nephele>
I managed to freeze my desktop by playing around in cortex. Oops
<x512[m]>
2 Nephele. Which one is real?
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<Nephele>
x512[m], you can always ask nickserv
<x512[m]>
"nephele" and "Nephele"
<Nephele>
x512[m], yeah and you can ask nickserv for the identity
<Nephele>
just use a whois querry, it's not that difficult :)
<x512[m]>
Not trivial if using bridge.
<Nephele>
Complain to your bridge author
<x512[m]>
Me complains IRC system
<Nephele>
It's kind of silly to complain that matrix can't properly map irc. Seeing as matrix keeps claiming they are somehow good at bridging, yet fails at the bare minimum
<Nephele>
for your reference: your bridge is wrong. There is only one nephele active here
<x512[m]>
It is not displayed in such way for other users.
<Nephele>
it is displayed as such if you have a proper client.
<x512[m]>
I suspect that you setup 2 IRC accounts.
<Nephele>
There is no such thing as an irc account
<jmairboeck>
"nephele" was renamed to "Guest769" just before "Nephele" joined, and "Guest769" has left now.
<x512[m]>
Then what is nickserv database?
<Nephele>
matrix thinks that the nickname somehow is correlated to physical accounts, so it creates such a mess when trying to bridge it. But it simply isn't true
<Nephele>
nickserv is just that. an auxilary database. And i can authenticate for it, no matter what capitalization my client happens to use at the time
<Nephele>
but there is no problem to have a nickname on irc *without* ever beeing authenticated with nickserv
<x512[m]>
If no nickserv registration is used, then first person who used nickname at current session will win, no? Imposters paradise.
<Nephele>
you place way too much emphasis on this. I can rename myself to x512 right now, on both matrix and irc. and neither service will complain
<Nephele>
if you want to be sure people are who you think they are you have to actually check, and not trust a temporary nickname
<x512[m]>
I also have native IRC X512 account. But is is rarely used.
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<augiedoggie>
jmairboeck: i think i usually use `rc -d` on the file after i've used the addon to create the icon attributes
<augiedoggie>
been a while since i've had to do it though
<jmairboeck>
yeah, I figured it out now: resattr -r, combined wird rc -d
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<Nephele>
x512[m], have you tried using vulcanscenegraph on haiku?
<x512[m]>
Yes.
<Nephele>
does it work? :D
<Nephele>
(with your driver)
<x512[m]>
Yes. Also works with lavapipe.
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<Nephele>
neat. I am thinking if it is a good target to make a 3d video game with
<erysdren>
i wrote an implementation of the finger protocol in python
<erysdren>
both server and client
<coolcoder613>
Why Python?
<erysdren>
i dunno
<erysdren>
just so i could figure out what i was doing
<erysdren>
i wanted to write it in C, but the C socket api is very confusing
<coolcoder613>
~a week ago, i was trying to write a Gemini client in Python using Haiku-PyAPI, but in the end I had trouble with the BeAPI text styling
<coolcoder613>
I could probably figure it out with enough time and changes to Haiku-PyAPI...
* coolcoder613
gets out his Haiku laptop
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<coolcoder613_>
Hi
<erysdren>
where can i get the link to Haiku-PyAPI?