<tpw_rules>
in my experience it doesn't freeze if you don't have something try to access the disk. so quit all your apps and don't touch the keyboard or mouse except to start the resize
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<tpw_rules>
but at this point yeah you might have to restore it. hope you had backups
<chadmed>
millennialhacker: thanks for taking the plunge with bootstrapping from Asahi, i could never be bothered :P
<chadmed>
my efforts always revolved around replacing the kernel on the minimal install disk with linux-asahi but that was too much effort to maintain for the spare time i have
<chadmed>
if we're going to do it this way though i can just rejig the script that i half-wrote to deploy it from a fresh stage3 to do so from asahi minimal
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<Tramtrist>
whats the best resource to build an installer for another distro?
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<tpw_rules>
it really depends almost 100% on the distro
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<millenialhacker>
chadmed: I tried writing the guide at least four times, in the end I found bootstrapping from Asahi was the easier/short way :D My first time involved coping kmod from Asahi into Gentoo and decompressing manually the kernel modules. I think it still follows the spirit of Gentoo that you need another "running" system to bootstrap yours.
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<jonaburg[m]>
could we actually currently run an EGPU from an m1 Mac under Asahi? would something like this even be possible? if anything even under a secondary VM passthrough?
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<marcan>
jonaburg[m]: currently, no. In the future, unclear. There are several pain points to GPUs over Thunderbolt that may or may not make it impractical. We won't know until Thunderbolt is working properly and someone looks into it.
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<FlorianObradovic[m]>
<tpw_rules> "but at this point yeah you might..." <- I have but I am family trip without direct access. Hardest thing now is to get a second mac.
<FlorianObradovic[m]>
What I had in the past is an ssd with a CCC Clone which I can boot of.
<FlorianObradovic[m]>
Is that still possible on M1?
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<slado122[m]>
how is the battery life on linux? comparable to mac os?
<millenialhacker>
We don't have power management so battery last less than Mac OS
<millenialhacker>
but.. even tho it's quite good
<mps>
FlorianObradovic[m]: boot from external disk doesn't work on m1
<mps>
FlorianObradovic[m]: there exists some hacks/tricks to boot something from external disk but not sure if macos could be hacked for this
<FlorianObradovic[m]>
mps: What? Could be u-boot a solution?
<FlorianObradovic[m]>
I take a spare OS with all my tools with me on an external ssd for ages
<FlorianObradovic[m]>
mps: Thanks
<FlorianObradovic[m]>
Bad news to me 😂
<mps>
FlorianObradovic[m]: yes, u-boot can boot from whatever
<mps>
in my guide about alpine linux install is described how to boot from usb disk
<st3g4n0[m]>
The problem is that isnt get the firmware config the virtmanager
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<amypotato[m]>
anyone know is there a bless utility that can be used from Asahi linux or does the startup disk need to be managed in macOS at present?
<chadmed>
we cant really do any system management from asahi yet because we cant talk to the SEP
<amypotato[m]>
ah ok
<chadmed>
there was some talk a little while ago of writing some linux utilities to mirror the functionality of the macos ones at some point however we all came to the conclusion that this might be more trouble than its worth in terms of people exploding their systems
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<JuniorJPDJ>
<mps> "alpine linux is added to the..." <- hmmmm... maybe someone should create oficial port to PostmarketOS
<JuniorJPDJ>
it's just Alpine for mobile devices (mostly android-based phones) with amazing scripts to build kernels etc for devices
<mps>
JuniorJPDJ: I think pmOS have macbook air m1 in device list, though not finished when I looked last time
<mps>
though I don't see why pmOS would differ much from alpine, they simply could use alpine in their installs
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<bluetail[m]>
How realistic is it that the AsahiLinux installment will later on achieve comparable/better performance than the Wine/Parallels counterpart on macOS running the same?
<bluetail[m]>
Could it be compared by comparing Parallels Geekbench scores against the Geekbench scores on AsahiLinux ?
<nicolas17>
if the app isn't ARM64 (it likely won't be if you're using Wine), it would depend on how fast the x86 emulator is compared to Rosetta
<bluetail[m]>
my baseline is running crossover (wine) and is basically windows x86. I doubt that one runs through rosetta2
<bluetail[m]>
some random score of the m1 in parallels running geekbench:
<bluetail[m]>
1518 single core, 4998 multi core
<bluetail[m]>
whereas...
<bluetail[m]>
1627/6844 are realistic scores on mac mini m1 running asahilinux right now
<bluetail[m]>
Taking that into consideration
<bluetail[m]>
for some reason... on parallels the tested game (Noita) runs in slowmotion
<bluetail[m]>
same in CrossOver
<bluetail[m]>
I wonder if it is at all comparable
<bluetail[m]>
as the M1 has more computation power than my Intel i5-8365U
<bluetail[m]>
So
<bluetail[m]>
I think the only reason this is happening is GPU acceleration
<bluetail[m]>
my lenovo t490 only runs it in slowmotion when the gpu has too much work todo
<bluetail[m]>
s/it/Noita/
<bluetail[m]>
Could that mean that in both cases (parallels, wine), macOS is already too loaded with graphics processes or basically cannot schedule it properly?
<nicolas17>
if you run an x86 program in wine in M1, of course it runs through rosetta
<nicolas17>
you'd need an arm64 windows program, good luck finding one :P
<bluetail[m]>
:D Are you perhaps saying its unrealistic the Linux way will be faster ? But even if, the m1 mac mini is a super raspberry pi replacement without the gpio ports and without all the freedom...
<nicolas17>
I'm saying if you test an *x86* Windows program in wine in M1, you're comparing the speed of Rosetta vs whatever CPU emulator you got on Linux, not macOS vs Linux
<bluetail[m]>
Right now Noita runs on that (weak) Lenovo T490 with the before mentioned CPU on linux through Steamproton (WINE+MESA)
<bluetail[m]>
Oh I see!
<bluetail[m]>
Since monterey lacks proper openGL, the comparision might be unfair to start with
<nicolas17>
and anything using graphics will be affected by the complete lack of GPU on Asahi
<bluetail[m]>
Alyssa Rosenzweig is working on it
<bluetail[m]>
and others probably too
<nicolas17>
yes but you surely don't have that on your machine right now :P
<jn>
partial lack of GPU :)
<bluetail[m]>
I saw today a video in where they showcased a m1 macbook pro running dirt at 4k60...
<bluetail[m]>
The m1 mini has the same chip right?
<bluetail[m]>
I think that is best case scenario running metal
<steev>
there are plenty of arm64 windows apps
<steev>
not sure about games like noita, but you can definitely get arm64 windows apps
<bluetail[m]>
I was just thinking about what is making the most sense. I guess I get a x86 machine that is a bit faster than my laptop just to play games on. Game consoles don't provide me with the competitive environment anyways
<bluetail[m]>
I doubt though that I would get an intel mac mini
<steev>
definitely get whatever makes the most sense for your workload
<bluetail[m]>
'gaming rig' is for everydays breaktime
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* psydroid[m]1
tried to compile some free software for ARM64 Windows last year and gave up
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<steev>
oh yeah, compiling ON and for arm64 windows is still a pita
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