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<Glanzmann>
bluetail / opticron / nicolas17 / Sobek / mps: Thank you for your condolence. I enjoyed my time with him and will cope.
<Glanzmann>
opticron: I removed the offending patch from u-boot for the time being. And will improve the kernel update script to check device tree to check for the choosen efi system-partition and warn about too old stub. I also had a too old stub, btw. I'll also do a video of how to update the stub parition.
<Glanzmann>
Sobek[m]: When i have headphones plugged in to my air, and boot. I hear 2 or 3 crackling noises during driver initialization right around when x starts, but that about it. Under macos I never noticed.
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<Sobek[m]>
<nicolas17> "then we can't have an answer for..." <- Povik has made some patches and some daring people have enabled their.
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<Xepo>
hai
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<Arian[m]>
I'm having some issues with systemd-boot on Asahi with an external keyboard. My keyboard shows up as a hub (because it can be reprogrammed on demand) and it seems that EFI is not happy with it. Any idea if this is fixable?
<j`ey>
Arian[m]: I assume it doesn't work in u-boot either?
<Glanzmann>
Arian[m]: My keyboard also is not recognized in uefi/grub. I never touch it and just let it boot, if I need to fiddle with u-boot/grub, I use a different keyboard.
<Glanzmann>
Arian[m]: Also notice that the usb-a ports don't work in general in u-boot/grub due to missing PCIe support in u-boot.
<Arian[m]>
emilytrau: did it work in U-Boot? I don't remember
<Arian[m]>
It's connected over USB c
<emilytrau[m]>
The keyboard didn't work in u-boot either
<j`ey>
u-boots USB stack doesn't handle all fancy keyboards
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<mps>
yes, I tested with two keyboards, one old simple works fine, second fancy one doesn't. I mean in uboot
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<hi23>
Hi, I have a question regarding the Asahi Linux UEFI environment
<hi23>
If the UEFI environment can boot from USB drives, what stops me from flashing a Windows ARM iso into an external drive and booting it. After all Windows as generic drivers to work right????
<hi23>
I dont have a mac m1 yet and before buying one I want to inform myself on why this isn't (or is) possible.
<hi23>
Before saying that "It's locked to Qualcomm Processors", I want to say that I was successfully able to make a Windows on Arm iso and I've booted on my android phone with QEMU and termux virtualizing a Cortex-A57 cpu (with very poor performance of course)
<j`ey>
hi23: windows doesn't have drivers for the apple specific partts
<j`ey>
and some not-apple-specific parts, like FIQ, windows probably doesn't handle
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<jnn>
in other words: generic drivers aren't enough
<j`ey>
Im not really sure what generic drivers means.. they're still specific aren't they? :P
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<ar>
j`ey: apple arm is significantly different from generic cortex-a[57]x-based SoCs in low-level areas (like interrupt handling or, IIRC, timers)
<ar>
erm
<ar>
hi23: ^
<hi23>
Ok ok
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<hi23>
Fair enough, thank you for your answers. Even though it doesn't work. This answer means that drivers can be made and it woul work. Maybe a summer project for me who knows
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<j`ey>
it likely needs core changes too, not just drivers
<sven>
yeah, you’d need to do some pretty heroic patching to the (closed source) kernel itself
<sven>
and the driver “summer project” for Linux has been a multi-people effort going on for 1+ year now
<Chainfire>
Is there any news on GPU support? Been mostly travelling the last few weeks. I "just" need Metal/OpenCL to be good to go fulltime Linux on this box.
<maz>
ar: timers are just the same as other implementations. it is interrupts and memory attributes that have been difficult to shove into the code.
<j`ey>
Chainfire: Lina has been streaming once a week
<j`ey>
making progress on tracing the kernel interfaces
<Chainfire>
j`ey: Lina gives me nightmares. But that's the part that's missing? The kernel interface? I wouldn't mind donating some of my own time working on it but having zero knowledge (and proof of it) on the subject matter I don't think that's particularly helpful :0
<j`ey>
yes that's the missing part
<j`ey>
there's lots of channels and page tables and memory and events and stuff to figure out, so the past few streams are just trying to get the tracers working
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<Chainfire>
Ah yeah, that does not sound like an easy or quick job
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<chadmed>
lina is a wizard though, we definitely have the right girl on the job!
<chadmed>
ive taken just as long to figure out almost nothing of consequence even on the "simple" fingerprint sensor
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<Chainfire>
That may be, but vtubing, the voice, etc, it just gives me the creeps.
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<chadmed>
its not my cup of tea but im in it for the RE wizardry so its fine
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<jannau>
Chainfire: there is probably a lot of work left on the userspace side to support OpenCL in mesa/agx. I doubt Metal exists outside of macos
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<cmalvi[m]>
Hi! any news about jetbrains' software on asahi?
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<Chainsaw>
That's closed software, isn't it? You'd be best off asking them directly.
<ChaosPrincess>
isnt jetbrains software mostly written in some jvm language
<cmalvi[m]>
on their side there are no news about arm specific version for linux, but on web i saw someone can get to run on some arm hardware
<cmalvi[m]>
so i thought it worth it ask here if someone have tried successfully to run their IDEs
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<kprasadvnsi[m]>
Does MacOS still need to be present along with Asahi linux?
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
Can I wipe the entire SSD and just have linux on it?
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<tpw_rules>
yes. no.
<ChaosPrincess>
you need the first and last partition
<ChaosPrincess>
the actual macos install can be deleted, but you really shouldnt
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<j`ey>
kprasadvnsi[m]: it's recommended to keep macos for now
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
nicolas17: This explains clearly.
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
Anybody working on a firmware updater for linux?
<sven>
that’s still a long way to go
<sven>
you’d need a lot of work (probably at least SEP and APFS support) for little gain
<j`ey>
sven: 70GB gain :p
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
For a 256GB model this little gain is a lot.
<j`ey>
i'm in the same boat, with the 256g model
<sven>
I assume it will happen eventually, but it’s still far off
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<marcan>
You definitely need APFS. Not sure if you need SEP. I *think* it's mostly copying the update ramdisk/stuff to the right place and setting some magic NVRAM variables to run the update ramdisk.
<marcan>
but yeah, investigating that is its own ordeal (and kind of a pain since we don't have much visibility into the signed ramdisk)
<marcan>
I've done some poking around the logs to get an idea but not much more
<nicolas17>
can't run the signed ramdisk in m1n1?
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<nicolas17>
I wonder if checkm8able devices would help with poking at the ramdisk? obviously M1 could have new differences but...
<marcan>
hm, I guess we could *try* running the update ramdisk in the HV... some things would work but probably not all?
<sven>
even stable apfs write support is already going to be quite painful
<marcan>
yup
<j`ey>
I still don't really understand the external USB boot thing, but with that cant we just reserve like 5? 10GB? on the SSD and move the bulk of the macOS install externally
<marcan>
maybe, but then we need to teach people how to do that and validate that it really does work and doesn't explode any more than macOS updates already do
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<bluetail[m]>
<marcan> "maybe, but then we need to teach..." <- edited to fit my wishes **maybe, but we need to teach people**
<bluetail[m]>
watching your streams. But being teached would be another level of cool :D
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<opticron>
woof, got my stub updated, but that was certainly an experience
<opticron>
I'll know better next time
<Cy8aer[m]>
Is there some documentation for stub update?
<Cy8aer[m]>
delete it and create it again?
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<opticron>
just be sure to copy the efi.tar.gz off to a USB drive
<opticron>
the hard part I encountered was that I didn't do that and macos can't read ext4 natively
<Cy8aer[m]>
yes the good old backup...
<Cy8aer[m]>
But sure, the asahi installer wipes the efi partition.
<opticron>
oh it can be done, it's just painful either way you try to manage it and I think I went hard mode
<opticron>
installed the FUSE extension for macos, then ext4fuse
<opticron>
neither of which was a fun experience
<opticron>
but it got done
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<Lucy[m]>
Is there any way to get installer_data.json to use a single .img file containing multiple partitions, rather than separate `esp` and `root` files?
<kettenis>
no
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<Lucy[m]>
Alright.
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