<Sam[m]123456>
I was wondering if it was possible to boot Asahi Linux on an Intel based Mac
<tpw_rules>
nope
<Sam[m]123456>
s///
<tpw_rules>
but some of the work done by them will be used for https://t2linux.org/
<tpw_rules>
on non-t2 macs i think any regular linux will work
<Sam[m]123456>
Alright, thank you for the resources tho 👍️
<jn>
the end goal of Asahi Linux is also to be merged into regular linux
<Sam[m]123456>
Yea, I'm just looking to get something like Arch Linux running on Intel Mac hardware because the performance would be a significant increase considering I'm switching to an even lighter weight operating system
<Sam[m]123456>
s/be/have/
<jn>
ah, in that case, regular Arch Linux should do
<jn>
it's the closest thing there is to asahi linux without the M1-specific bits
<jn>
keep in mind though that much of the great performance seen in asahi linux is due to good hardware
<Sam[m]123456>
Yea, M1 Arm is very very fast, I've been trying to make the switch before I even heard of this project, I think that with the somewhat low specs of my hardware, switching to a lightweight os like linux would bring a performance increase, and being a developer I think I'll be able to make the switch pretty easily
<Sobek[m]>
Hmm, why do so many build fail ? Is this because of bugs supporting M1 macs in the compile toolchains etc, or is this because packages are just broken for cross compile ?
<thk[m]>
just an observation about HDMI. After usual no_signal for my 4K monitor, i randomly pressed mini's power button few times and it booted to Asahi. Not sure if there's a sequence to it or was it something else.
<Lightsword>
dottedmag, seems to mostly be aarch64 build host related weirdness(build hosts are typically x86_64) but yeah there's a few suspicious failures I saw like that
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<Lightsword>
Sobek[m], the headers issues are due to me reworking the random config generator to build the host toolchain from source with randomization, I have patches fixing that pending with buildroot already, others seem to be a mix of issues it seems, a good bit are probably more related to arch not being well tested with buildroot than anything but a few did look suspicious like those segfaulting
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<momocao[m]>
hello! this might be a dumb question but i haven't seen anything talking about it: is it possible to run asahi on a VM? if so, does virtualbox work fine?
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<j`ey>
momocao[m]: theres no reason to
<j`ey>
you can just run mainline linux in a VM
<momocao[m]>
last time i checked it was quite hard, nothing worked that well
<momocao[m]>
like, it was only possible on parallels
<mps>
momocao[m]: mainline kernel works fine in qemu
<momocao[m]>
thanks for the link, that app looks exciting, i didn't know about it
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<ah-[m]>
can you boot the same physical partition used by asahi with qemu/utm?
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<mps>
afaik qemu still can only boot whole disk, not partition, if not changed in latest releases
<psydroid[m]1>
I don't see why that wouldn't be possible, although you may have to start a different kernel
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<kov>
momocao[m], I've only been using parallels because it supports suspend, but I started with qemu, works just fine, you can use this one or utm as j`ey pointed out https://github.com/knazarov/homebrew-qemu-virgl
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<kov>
in fact parallels used to be worse than qemu at the beginning, as it did not have working "gpu accel" for months, then they finally added in virgl
<j`ey>
kov: what kernel version are you using in parallels?
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<bluetail[m]>
<kov> "in fact parallels used to be..." <- strong dislike for parallels policy. My license was invalidated as soon as I reinstalled my system and they wanted to make me purchase another license. Their customer service didnt help either.
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<sven>
sounds like you’re starting to understand usb!
<j`ey>
:-)
<sven>
the first step is to be in a constant state of confusion, which seems to be close enough to whatever the usb people were in when they made all this up
<sven>
usb gadget drivers are something like the CDC ACM device m1n1 emulates
<j`ey>
do I need it for a USB flash drive?
<sven>
they essentially allow your machine to pretend to be some usb device (storage, serial, etc.)
<j`ey>
okay right, sounds like it's not what I need then
<sven>
only if you want your machine to pretend to be a usb flash device
<j`ey>
no, I want it to access the usb flash device :)
<tpw_rules>
then you just need regular usb drivers
<sven>
then you need usbstorage ;)
<hello9999901[m]>
This is the reverse haha usb is incredibly confusing
<j`ey>
lolol, I just didnt plug it in far enough
<j`ey>
It felt like it was.. plugged in. it wasnt :)
<j`ey>
[ 2.267796] usb-storage 1-1:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected
<bluetail[m]>
sven: I have 2 USB 3 sata enclosures - they are 'seen' in ARCH but I cant mount them for whatever reason. They are exFAT. Does that have anything todo with the missing USB 3 Support? I thought then I would at least have USB 2
<bluetail[m]>
They are currently connected through the USB C ports
<bluetail[m]>
would I have to switch to usb A ports?
<sven>
hm, no, they should be able to fall back to usb2
<sven>
it’s more likely the kernel just isn’t compiled with exfat support
<bluetail[m]>
I se
<bluetail[m]>
* I see
<bluetail[m]>
What filesystem formats does the kernel support right now?
<bluetail[m]>
while it properly started up, adding my usb media was taking forever and I aborted it
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<Radical[m]>
Hey, when installing binfmt-qemu-static it breaks all binaries and when using binfmt-qemu-static-all-arch it doesnt register binary formats. Anyone else having issues like this?
<Radical[m]>
It does this in minimal and desktop
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<jonaburg[m]>
a little off topic, but what protocol does parallels use to display the frame buffer on macOS? there's like no compression or latency, so I doubt it's VLC .. I could never get high refresh rates on VLC anyways
<jonaburg[m]>
err VNC*
<bluetail[m]>
<jonaburg[m]> "a little off topic, but what..." <- there is latency
<bluetail[m]>
I have set a monitor to 120hz and played a game in the windows 11 vm
<bluetail[m]>
it is sluggish
<bluetail[m]>
it doesnt sync up with the local frequency
<dottedmag>
protocol? it just emulates some hw
<jonaburg[m]>
ah interesting, I don't notice any frequency doing things like dragging windows around, but tbh I haven't tried any demanding games that would even be runnable on my laptop
<jonaburg[m]>
<dottedmag> "protocol? it just emulates..." <- what exactly do you mean?
<j`ey>
jonaburg[m]: the guest is accesing a 'virtual GPU'
<jonaburg[m]>
j`ey: the frame buffer of a VM needs to output somewhere, otherwise it's just a headless VM
<jonaburg[m]>
on linux generally spice or VNC are used for this, or more modern implementations like looking glass
<j`ey>
Im assuming it uses Metal to rendner it
<kov>
jonaburg[m], it doesn't need to be a protocol like vnc or spice, the hypervisor has access to the buffers to which the VM is rendering, it can just take that and put on the screen
<kov>
jonaburg[m], when I use qemu I use the cocoa display on macos, for instance
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