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<ablyss> sweet
<andreasdr[m]> Oh sorry, dont know if this is planned.
<andreasdr[m]> Just agreeing it would be important
<andreasdr[m]> :D
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<andreasdr[m]> Whats this?
<DHowett> looks like PhosphurOS was based on R5 Dan0
<DHowett> and this seems to be an enlightenment official screenshot showing the enlightenment WM hosting firefox accessing a server running on said phosphurOS?
<andreasdr[m]> Wow. Crazy
<DHowett> (sorry, I switched into "twitter alt text" mode ;P)
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<ablyss> Yep.. have it autoprogrammed to zap the NSA central head quarters with robinhead webserver :P
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<a-nickname> Hi
<a-nickname> I was trying to run Haiku Beta 3 on a Pentium III class machine w/ 512MB of RAM, 10MB of video RAM, and a 2GB hard disk. At first, it looks like it's booting just fine. But then, it's just a black screen. Do you guys know why this is happening?
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<a-nickname> I'm sure I chose the 32-bit version.
<Diver> a-nickname: try enabling Use fail-safe graphics driver in the bootloader
<a-nickname> Ok, I'll try this. Thank you!
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<a-nickname> Unfortunately, it's still a black screen.
<a-nickname> I held Shift during the BIOS messages, and no bootloader menu.
<a-nickname> Unless my ISO is corrupted.
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<nephele> try mashing space instead
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<rennj> you held nothing! nada!
<a-nickname> Mashed space, still nothing. Is my hardware not supported?
<rennj> you hardware is just plain weird
<rennj> no boot menu from space bar!
<rennj> fail
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<rennj> buy better hardware is the solution obviously
<a-nickname> ye
<rennj> nsa wants it due, information!
<rennj> now buy wintel or crapple and meet the needs
<rennj> be a good little consumer
<rennj> consume citizen
<rennj> all the information we collect is randomized
<rennj> haha
<a-nickname> lol
<rennj> the data about the data or metadata if you will...
<rennj> thats some good metadata
<rennj> only the amiga makes it possible! will be the saying in the nsa future....
<rennj> a known source..from signal to noise
<ablyss> i know with my my wifes old DELL i had to turn off or on plug and play in the bios to get beos to work... maybe similar for haiku
<rennj> like truecrypt veracrypt audit...
<rennj> we audited the source code twice...and found no known bugs
<nephele> ablyss: no, haiku shares no code with beos
<ablyss> nephele: that is true but its hardware related bios it doesn't matter
<rennj> beos made more sense when winblows and linux sucked at media...
<nephele> anyhow, the boot ment should be triggerable with the shortcut, if you get no boot menu and alwasy get the boot icons file a bug please
<rennj> small window of time
<rennj> the media os rocked
<rennj> pervasive multithreading
<rennj> winblows and linux and crapple where lame compared...but it was small window of time
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<a-nickname> Have you guys ever heard of SkyOS?
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<a-nickname> Hello?
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<a-nickname> Have you guys ever heard of SkyOS?
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<Not-c620> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/0288d67fbdd2...0e2ced849aae
<Not-c620> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 0e2ced8 - libcss: missing require for devel package
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<Begasus> g'evening peeps
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<nephele> hello begasus
<Begasus> hi nephele
<rennj> and i thought the gimp name is problematic must have been all those CoC's
<rennj> code of conducts!
<Begasus> waddlesplash, replied on the PR for gtkmm3 (build is ok, install is an issue on 32bit), don't know how it is on 64bit ...
<rennj> gimp not librafoo
<rennj> libra-graphics
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<Spaceboy1010> If Be did accept Apple's offer to buy them, do you think Apple would like that there is a FOSS version of their overpriced OS?
<Niklas[m]> I don't think they like it,but there's also helloSystem and some similar clone that can even run original MacOS apps lol
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<Spaceboy1010> i'm shocked that macroshaft hasn't blown ReactOS into oblivion yet
<Spaceboy1010> keyword: yet
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<Spaceboy1010> Do you think Haiku will ever beat Windblows?
<Begasus> heading down, g'night peeps
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<Niklas[m]> What should they do against ReactOS?They use zero original M$ code so it's absolutely legal.
<Niklas[m]> Haiku does already beat Winblows for some tasks
<Niklas[m]> Especially if you work with lot's of windows (Office and such stuff),Haikus tabs make it a lot easier to work productively.Also it's much faster and more responsive
<Niklas[m]> *lots
<Spaceboy1010> Well, I don't think M$ would like it, as they are so greedy.
<Spaceboy1010> and I meant market share
<Spaceboy1010> the tabs sould be in very OS
<Spaceboy1010> *every
<Niklas[m]> No,I think it will stay a niche for much longer
<Niklas[m]> Even Linux is still a niche OS with less than 5% market share...and it's used by many big corporations and 90% of all nerds
<Spaceboy1010> im on linux right now
<Niklas[m]> I'd like to have the tabs on Linux,too,yes,but on the other hand,it's something that makes Haiku unique and attractive
<Spaceboy1010> gentoo (chromeos)
<Spaceboy1010> yes
<Niklas[m]> I'm also on Linux but only because no other OS has the needed drivers for this device :/
<Spaceboy1010> hm
<Spaceboy1010> what device are you on?
<Niklas[m]> Artix (Arch without systemd) here.Would never ever touch Google crap,it's worse than M$
<Niklas[m]> Medion Akoya E2293
<Spaceboy1010> never heard of it
<Niklas[m]> FreeBSD and Haiku lack the touchscreen driver and the Wifi is buggy,OpenBSD has touch but no Wifi at all,NetBSD didn't even boot if I remember correctly
<Niklas[m]> I'm not sure if Medion devices are that widely used outside of Germany ;)
<Spaceboy1010> I'm on Acer Chromebook C733
<Niklas[m]> I had a Acer Chromebook 11 many years ago
<Spaceboy1010> yea, the webpage is all in german
<Niklas[m]> The hardware was quite okay,but it had a locked bootloader.I broke it by trying to flash a alternative BIOS that allows to boot other OSes
<Spaceboy1010> uh oh
<Spaceboy1010> I ran the page through Google Translate: Be and have fun productive with style
<Spaceboy1010> The Medion website
<Niklas[m]> Google Translate is crap.They always mess up the grammar so that it doesn't make any sense anymore.You should try DeepL instead.
<Spaceboy1010> yes that work MUCH better: Be productive and have fun with style
<Niklas[m]> They have quite good devices,but not if you want to use Haiku ;)
<Spaceboy1010> ok
<Spaceboy1010> you could use a VM!
<Niklas[m]> For Haiku I recommend a Acer TravelMate.Everything except audio works fine out of the box
<Niklas[m]> I have a lot of computers and laptops.Many of them run Haiku already,so I don't need a VM
<Spaceboy1010> ok
<Spaceboy1010> I have a Wii, a Gateway SX-2110G, and a HP Pavilion zv5201us
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<nephele> medion laptops are specific to lidl, probably not outside germany indeed
<Niklas[m]> No
<Niklas[m]> They're best-known for Aldi,not Lidl,but they're not specific to it.I bought mine at Real.
<Spaceboy1010> i gtg, i may be back at `16:00 EST US
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<nephele> Niklas: ist ne eigenmarke
<nephele> real war auch teil der metro
<nephele> (aber ja, aldi)
<Niklas[m]> Real ist Teil von Metro,aber Aldi und Lidl doch nicht o.O
<Niklas[m]> Man bekommt die sogar bei Kaufland... https://www.kaufland.de/item/search/?search_value=medion%20laptop
<nephele> habe ich auch nichg behauptet
<nephele> aber da real eh put ist... :)
<Niklas[m]> In Wuerzburg haben wir noch einen :D
<Niklas[m]> Der groessere ist leider zum Kaufland geworden,aber der kleinere reicht auch fuer das Wichtigste
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<Spaceboy1010> before i go, this is proof google translate is crap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDIV1tXFrrE
<Spaceboy1010> my friend runs a yt channel, and he recored himself typing giberish into google translate
<Niklas[m]> Interesting xD
<Spaceboy1010> fafafafafafafa -> sorts of shops
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<Not-c620> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/0e2ced849aae...bcfd1e1b913f
<Not-c620> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus bcfd1e1 - gtk3, enable 32bit (#6619)
<Not-c620> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/bcfd1e1b913f...fb2968034478
<Not-c620> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus fb29680 - appstream_glib, fix build (#6620)
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<Spaceboy1010> why do i have the urge to try installing haiku on a graphing calculator
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<Niklas[m]> Because it's very lightweight...but I don't think it's lightweight enough lol
<Spaceboy1010> 3MB of storage, 154KB of RAm, zilog z80
<Niklas[m]> No,that won't work,sorry...
<B2IA> (AGMS) Needs at least 256MB for the system packages to be mounted.
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<Spaceboy1010> im back!
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<Spaceboy1010> A few hours ago, I said that I couldn't get Beta 3 working on my machine. The weird thing is that it run an *extremely* slimmed down version of Alpha 4.
<Spaceboy1010> *just fine
<Niklas[m]> Does the latest Nightly work?Maybe the problem is already fixed
<Spaceboy1010> I haven't tried that. My ISO of Beta 3 is from months ago, so that could be the issue
<Diver> try other betas
<Spaceboy1010> hehe https://t.ly/YKED
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<Niklas[m]> How can that work? o.O
<Spaceboy1010> it's edited
<Niklas[m]> Ah ok
<Spaceboy1010> but i wish it worked
<Spaceboy1010> i may be able to make an "emulator" in assembly for it
<Niklas[m]> When ARM support is working,it may be possible to build a high-performance calculator with Haiku
<Niklas[m]> With a Raspi inside or something like that
<Spaceboy1010> yea
<Spaceboy1010> a crazy idea just went through my mind
<Spaceboy1010> imma try to install haiku on my toaster
<Spaceboy1010> Hmmm... I put the DVD in it, but it just melts. Should I file a bug XD?
<Niklas[m]> Not Haiku but similar...Someone built a toaster with NetBSD already: https://www.embeddedts.com/blog/netbsd-toaster-powered-by-the-ts-7200-arm9-sbc/
<Spaceboy1010> What? o.0
<Spaceboy1010> now i want one
<Niklas[m]> Me too
<Spaceboy1010> Action Retro on YT made a Raspberry Pi that runs MacOS 9 (sorta). https://youtu.be/wLh7c6KQAT4
<Spaceboy1010> It basically just boots a QEMU emulator when it's turned on.
<rennj> newtek video toaster!
<rennj> hmm only the amiga makes it possible
<Spaceboy1010> RUNNING DOOM ON A TOASTER! https://youtu.be/yGc-4ASZPQk
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<Spaceboy1010> brb im gonna try chatting from haiku
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<Spaceboy1010> nvm, that was painfully slow
<Spaceboy1010> also, my install opens terminal when you boot up. i tried to close it and this happened: https://uploads.scratch.mit.edu/get_image/project/602888471_400x320.png
<Spaceboy1010> the only reason it was slow is because of my crap vm
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<ablyss> lol mac OS on a raspberry pi... i think i will have nightmares from just the thought...:P
<rennj> basiliskII ran crapple pretty well..vmware/virtualbox can run osX
<rennj> beos and basiliskII ran real well
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<ablyss> lemme see one with QNX I might try a back flip for ya