<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] a40b421ac7e7 - freebsd_network: Restore include of sys/pcpu.h in sys/mutex.h.
<DHowett>
augiedoggie: i always find it funny when apps hit their limits like that -- like an in-car media display saying "Rush - Signal..." instead of "Signals", or "Dustin & 1 more person liked this photo" (1 more person? like, "Ashwini"? That's, uh, shorter)
<augiedoggie>
heh, yeah
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<x512[m]>
waddlesplash: Yes, devices manager give many benefits: support of complex device and busses relations, faster boot by not loading and starting unneeded drivers, power management etc..
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<x512[m]>
Hotplugging also including PCI hotplugging.
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<augiedoggie>
bah, falkon and otter both fail to load, looks like they need a rebuild
<augiedoggie>
i'm amused that my ancient dirt cheap usb-wifi adapter works in haiku
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<Not-c620>
[haikuports/haikuports] korli a498b46 - lmdb: bump version
<Not-c620>
[haikuports/haikuports] korli 0752a20 - libvncserver: bump version
<micken>
waddlesplash: ok so fp16 will cause heavy problems , (also discussed on gerrit) I need to get a new dev board for it. It is also impossible to run it on qemu < 5
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<skirst>
what is the state of usb audio on haiku? i'm getting very nice performance from my synth app using the built-in HDA sound but would prefer to use my usb interface for audio i/o.
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<lelldorin>
hi all
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<nephele>
aww, ths wifi stick i used wasnt recognized it seems, i hope a different one will work, i have high hopes to have haiku on my kitchen media computer with wifi
<lelldorin>
how to get and install the wifi script? i want to test mz wifi usb adapter
<nephele>
hi lelldorin
<nephele>
what script?
<lelldorin>
i want the realtek of waddlesplash to test
<nephele>
build the image or wait for the nightly builder
<Niklas[m]12>
You need a recent Nightly version of Haiku.
<Niklas[m]12>
USB Wifi support is included
<lelldorin>
ok is running the nightlz here, update todaz
<nephele>
needs hrev55907 atleast
<lelldorin>
here 55908
<lelldorin>
but no wifi settings in network preferences
<nephele>
sounds like you are all sorted then
<Niklas[m]12>
Did you plug in the Wifi stick before booting?
<lelldorin>
zes i do
<lelldorin>
yes
<nephele>
it may be unsuported then (or buggy)
<Niklas[m]12>
Then your stick is probably not supported.
<Niklas[m]12>
It only shows me a stupid captcha and I know that it will crash my browser if I try to solve it
<banananana>
oh
<banananana>
i guess cubeupload doesn't like haiku
<Niklas[m]12>
No,it doesn't like Tor
<Niklas[m]12>
Because all people who care about their privacy are criminals!1!11!!!
<Niklas[m]12>
You get the same shit on OpenIndiana or FreeBSD or Linux if you connect over the Tor network,the OS doesn't matter.
<nephele>
waddlesplash: okay
<nephele>
i can send you listusb -v with both included if you want?
<banananana>
what's the strangest device somebody got haiku to run on?
<nephele>
Intel computers
<banananana>
ok
<skirst>
lol
<Niklas[m]12>
I did it on a GPD Win,which is a laptop with the size of a average smartphone
<Niklas[m]12>
But it didn't run well :/
<nephele>
Anybody made a replicant that does calculatortions in reverse polish notation?
<banananana>
i've heard about gpd wins, they are very underpowered from what i hear
<Niklas[m]12>
Absolutely not
<banananana>
so they were lying! >:(
<banananana>
now i regret not buying one!
<Niklas[m]12>
They are very powerful for their size.I mean,they can't compete with a big desktop computer,but you won't have fun with heavy tasks on that little screen anyway
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<Niklas[m]12>
Surfing,Office stuff and so on runs pretty well
<banananana>
do you think haiku would run on the netbsd toaster?
<Niklas[m]12>
The NetBSD Toaster isn't x86 I guess,so no.
<Niklas[m]12>
And NetBSD is even more lightweigt than Haiku afaik,at least if you don't run graphical applications on it.Haiku always comes with a GUI,which is too heavy for a toaster.
<nephele>
banananana: No, most likely it will not. NetBSD is basically the most portable OS around, and haiku has... at best 2 supported archictures, and they are both extremely similar (amd64 and x86)
<banananana>
if haiku is x86, ca it run on the busicom 141-pf?
<nephele>
we have some more or less ports to some other arches but nothing user useable by far
<banananana>
ok
<nephele>
Depends, is that thing behaving like a desktop? :D
<nephele>
it looks like a big calculator, then no, haiku will not run on it
<banananana>
well, it is a desktop calculator
<nephele>
(what would you do with it without a screen?)
<banananana>
tape
<banananana>
paper tape
<nephele>
sounds like a job for unix terminals, not a gui operating system
<Not-c620>
[haikuports/haikuports] Sylvain78 c300075 - rlwrap, a command line wrapper adding readline capabilities to command tools (#6590)
<Niklas[m]12>
In my opinion it doesn't make much sense to try running Haiku on something other than a desktop computer or laptop.That's what it's made for and also what it supports best.On other devices you should better use Unix-based systems,which are more flexible (at the cost of optimization for one specific task)
<banananana>
last haiku review video i saw, it couldn't play youtube without kernel panicing
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<Niklas[m]12>
Try invidious if you want your videos to play better.
<nephele>
If one instance of a video failing to play is enough to claim that it therefore cannot do it at all, than by that measure no OS can play videos either :P
<banananana>
but of course they were using 2008 hardware
<nephele>
that is perfectly fine, we support 2008 hardware too
<banananana>
the 2nd time they tried, the whole system just locked up
<Niklas[m]12>
The Youtube website is just badly programmed.So much Javascript nonsense for obfuscating the actual video file and for spying on you.If you access the videos by other means (Invidious or offline players like Qmplay or first downloading with Youtube-DL and then using the native media player) you'll have much more fun viewing it ;)
<banananana>
ok
<nephele>
The youtube website is shitty, and google hardly cares about non-chromium browsers, yes. But then the webpositive streaming code needs improvements regardless
<nephele>
even if you use normal html5 video elements :)
<banananana>
i'm iffy about using beta/alpha software for daily work, but it seems like haiku has gotten a long way the past couple years. do you think it would be a good daily driver in its current state?
<nephele>
it's a beta ;)
<banananana>
yes, beta 3
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<nephele>
Yes, don't expect everything to work, there are certainly people that do use it as a daily driver (like me), but then i also know how to fix bugs myself :g
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<banananana>
ok
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<Niklas[m]12>
I'm not using Haiku for everything,but I use it for important stuff that I need for work,which proves that I trust it more than Linux :D
<banananana>
i do everything on chromeos (barf) right now
<banananana>
very buggy, kinda slow, and crashes a lot
<Niklas[m]12>
Ugh,Google crap :'(
<nephele>
I sometimes use Ubuntu for the stuff i can't on Haiku... but i really dislike doing that
<banananana>
do you think it would run fine on an AMD E1-1500 w/ 6GB DDR3 RAM?
<banananana>
haiku
<Niklas[m]12>
Better use Intel if you have the choice,but yes,it may work
<nephele>
I don't see why intel or amd would matter... i have machines by both and all work fine
<banananana>
i have an O L D laptop that has some Intel Celeron with 256MB DDR RAM
<nephele>
256mb may be a bit tight
<Niklas[m]12>
Haiku sometimes crashes on pre-Ryzen AMD cpus.That has been a known issue for years and still nobody knows why
<banananana>
hmm
<Niklas[m]12>
I have two AMD computers and both have those crashes,but I need the more powerful Intel for other stuff so I have to live with the crashes
<nephele>
There are specific processors haiku triple faults on, it is in errata in the processors *shrug*
<nephele>
Niklas: maybe you can figure out if you get FreeBSD10 if it crashes, and if it does whether FreeBSD11 does and so on
<nephele>
and then maybe ask FreeBSD how they fixed that stuff
<Niklas[m]12>
The older one (AMD Athlon II X3) only crashes when compiling stuff.If you're not a developer,you can live with that quite good (I am a dev,so it gets annoying over time) but the newer one (AMD A4) really crashes randomly for no actual reason
<banananana>
i have another machine that has a Zilog z80 w/ 256KB of RAM
<nephele>
sounds like seperate issues
<nephele>
why not make tickets for those niklas?
<banananana>
16Mhz
<nephele>
heh, that definetely won't work with haiku :P
<Niklas[m]12>
It's one issue and there is a ticket already
<nephele>
... That ticket is about a specific processor
<Niklas[m]12>
I recently replied to it,asking for the current state but it seems nothing changed.
<Niklas[m]12>
It's about a whole series of processors.
<nephele>
make a ticket for your processor, how should a dev smell you ask on it for a completely different processor? :=)
<nephele>
the impact is different, so it may very well be a different issue
<banananana>
the one i'm on has an Intel Celeron-N4020 with 4(?)GB DDR4
<Niklas[m]12>
There are lots of tickets for those crashes already.I read a lot tickets when I had to move back to AMD and it crashed again :/
<nephele>
I only know of one
<waddlesplash>
if you can figure out when/how freebsd fixed the problem then that is a major path toward a solution
<waddlesplash>
I've yet to find anyone else on any OS describing similar symptoms, so if FreeBSD dealt with this and fixed it then that is a big deal
<Niklas[m]12>
I doubt I'll find out more than you did ;)
<nephele>
waddlesplash: maybe i should just send you the board :P
<waddlesplash>
no thanks lol
<waddlesplash>
I have no idea how to debug this kind of thing
<nephele>
I'm fairly certain freebsd had the same issue
<nephele>
on my computer, and it was no longer an issue later on
<waddlesplash>
ok, then please try to track down when/where they fixed it :)
<waddlesplash>
if you have literally any reference to a bugzilla or even what they called the problem, I can likely track it down from there
<Niklas[m]12>
When I first tried FreeBSD,the issue was gone already
<nephele>
Somewhere after freeBSD10 i think
<banananana>
Is Haiku supposed to open a terminal window as soon as you book?
<banananana>
*boot
<nephele>
I don't know if they even fixed it deliberately honestly, the board is in my storage... maybe one of these days i can try it out
<Niklas[m]12>
I also used OpenIndiana on this machine,it also didn't crash.Maybe someone can find a fix in the Illumos kernel?
<mattmoose[m]>
hello, i am trying to boot haiku from usb and getting a panic at the fourth boot icon. "panic: did not find any boot partitions" under that the syslog tail shows it trying a bunch of file systems with a return -1 and then udf_recognize: Invalid sequence.
<mattmoose[m]>
any ideas?
<mattmoose[m]>
i tried holding down the shift key to get logs but i couldnt get it to work