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<zayd>
not sure if this is an issue with the ancient laptop i'm running haiku on, but i'm having issues with it fully turning off at random. it could be overheating, but i'm not sure if it is
<zayd>
is there any way that i can see what caused the os to crash?
<waddlesplash>
zayd: what CPU does it have?
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<zayd>
waddlesplash: didn't see this message until now, it's an amd sempron 3000+
<zayd>
i686
<waddlesplash>
fully turning off is strange
<waddlesplash>
there are some issues with triple faults on AMD Bulldozer but I haven't heard of full poweroffs
<waddlesplash>
I kind of doubt you will be able to determine the underlying cause without some sort of diagnostic here
<waddlesplash>
obviously if temperature monitors indicate the hardware is overheating that will be something
<waddlesplash>
I think OscarL may have an experimental thermal driver for AMD for Haiku?
<zayd>
this laptop's cpu seems to be cursed in general
<zayd>
tried to install void linux on it before and the installer was shutting off while making the partitions
<zayd>
one thing i do suspect is that it could be running out of ram
<zayd>
the thing only has 512MB of DDR
<zayd>
does haiku support swap? i could try giving it a ton
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<waddlesplash>
zayd: yes, but Haiku doesn't have Linux's memory issues, usually (we don't overcommit by default, and we don't need nearly as much RAM. 512M should be enough so long as you don't have too much installed)
<waddlesplash>
OOM on Haiku in theory should be error messages and things failing to launch, not anything worse (we don't have an OOM killer since we don't have overcommit by default)
<waddlesplash>
swap may still be helpful in your case but it likely won't change such spontaneous poweroffs
<waddlesplash>
you can try booting with ACPI disabled and maybe even the power drivers blocklisted. could be interesting to see if it makes any difference
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<Calisto>
heyy
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<Calisto>
Hey Begasus erysdren :)
<erysdren>
good morning
<Begasus>
g'morning peeps
<Calisto>
Good morning. How are you guys doing today :)
<Begasus>
Hi erysdren Calisto
<Begasus>
Just got back from my morning routine :)
<Calisto>
oh that's great :D
<Begasus>
morning coffee at the local gas station :D
<Calisto>
that's nice
<Calisto>
well the break that nosycat told me to take definitely worked xD
<Calisto>
there's more progress on the folder filtering now :)
<Calisto>
turns out I wasn't using a null pointer check :P
<Calisto>
Have to start being more careful with those xD
<Begasus>
sometimes it pays of to take a step back :)
<Calisto>
yup :)
<Calisto>
i guess sitting for long hours and trying to figure it out made me skip over that detail ;P
<Begasus>
sounds like me fighting with this lua thing :D
<erysdren>
its near 1am here and i'm still truckin along with my own coding adventures
<erysdren>
thinkin about breaking into some caffeine soon
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<Begasus>
3 people active, 3 different tmezones :)
<erysdren>
i keep trying to run ROTT in my haiku vm, and it consistently freezes the VM
<erysdren>
ROTT=Rise of The Triad
<erysdren>
specifically the sourceport i'm working on
<erysdren>
but last time i had Begasus try it (some months ago, now...) apparently it ran fine
<erysdren>
i wonder if it just messes with the VM too much
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<Begasus>
re
<Begasus>
still got the data around here erysdren
<Begasus>
can't remember how to run it again though :P
<Calisto>
yup erysdren i usually end up staying up late whenever I need help with Haiku xD
<Begasus>
or get up early Calisto :)
<erysdren>
meh, forget the caffeine... im goin to bed
<erysdren>
cya later
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<Calisto>
Begasus: xD
<Calisto>
idk I just find it so much easier to stay up than wake up :(
<Calisto>
I'm pretty sure if I didn't stay up in January, I wouldn't have been able to make those initial Gerrit Pushes ;)
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<Begasus>
I'm reversed now Calisto, up early :)
<Calisto>
:)
<Calisto>
Guys I had a general question, in the case that I'm writing some function, in general lets say it does some activity, isn't it just better that it returns some kind of status value in most cases?
<Calisto>
i wrote most of my code using void-returning functions but for the next part I was trying out with status_t returning function. It probably makes for better code right?
<PulkoMandy>
Calisto: Yes, usually if an error happens somewhere, the calling code will want to do something about it (showing an alert box for example)
<PulkoMandy>
For that, it has to know if the operation succeeded, or why it failed
<Calisto>
oh that makes a lot of sense... I should probably go ahead and add that to all the functions where I can and clean up the code
<Begasus>
k, that has been around long enough here :)
<Nephele>
hi Begasus
<Begasus[m]>
Hi nephele
<Begasus>
nheko pushed :)
<Begasus>
can pull it down from the test drive now
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<Nephele>
Begasus: if you push it now you probably will have to again in the somewhat close future xD
<Nephele>
Somehow, matrix realized that unauthenicated media downloads are a secutiry issue after all. lol
<Nephele>
I really can't take that protocol seriously anymore
<Begasus>
only recently upstreamed part of the patchset for nheko, changes are on the way there, so untill then we should be good nephele :)
<Begasus>
ps, I though nheko was aware of that already nephele?
<Nephele>
Begasus: matrix has some sort of security disclosure going on and is trying to push client authors to update *immidiently*
<Nephele>
Well yes nico is available
<Nephele>
aware*
<Nephele>
but not sure if their latest release has the new api endpoints enabled
<Begasus>
remember you mentioning it to Carl at FOSSDEM :)
<Nephele>
PulkoMandy: I haven't checked into renga in some time, how far did you come? I should really get myself an account :g
<Nephele>
Begasus: mention what?
<Begasus>
also, isn't that part of done by the mtl library?
<Begasus>
the media downloads
<Begasus>
or atleast something to do with unauthorized (some-some-thingy) :)
<PulkoMandy>
nephele: Making progress one bit at a time. I go to an xmpp coding sprint in berlin mid-july, so expect more new things to land in Renga then
<Nephele>
Well, i "mentioned" this to matrix *years* ago, syrupthinker even made a msc with me to fix this, but it was ignored for some years, and now suddenly became an issue
<Nephele>
PulkoMandy: wait, in berlin?
<gordonjcp>
PulkoMandy: I'd love to go to Berlin some time
<gordonjcp>
bit far to pop across when I'm over in Vienna, though
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 4dbf92e - kommit, bump version (#10648)
<Begasus>
k, another PR upstream for this one :)
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<phschafft>
nephele: as a lion I need to object.
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<Begasus>
phschafft, there is a lion on it's way to Belgium, maybe I could ask if they could stop by there? ;)
<Calisto>
heyyy
<Calisto>
could anyone tell me how we are supposed to see the values stored in variables while using the debugger
<phschafft>
send my best greetings and a big hug from me if you do.
<Calisto>
i put in the debugger(<something>) function and it does open up the debugger
<Calisto>
but how am I supposed to check a variable? all the menus except registers are empty :(
<phschafft>
is it compiled with debugging symbols?
<Nephele>
If you have debug symbols ans you set the state to debugged (i.e breakpoint or manually) you should then be able to see it
<Calisto>
noo not as such
<Calisto>
phschafft: noo not as such*
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<Nephele>
phschafft: what do you mean by "as a lion"?
<Calisto>
if i want to see what value a specific variable has how am I supposed to do it?
<Nephele>
As i wrote above :)
<Calisto>
nephele: oh okay... wait debug symbols as in?
<Nephele>
I don't understand what you are asking Calisto
<Nephele>
Do you want to know what debug symbols are?
<Calisto>
yup... Its my first time trying to read a variable using the debugger so I have no clue what I am doing
<Calisto>
I just put in the macro as someone told me last time
<Nephele>
a macro?
<Calisto>
sorry the call* debugger(some string herer)
<Calisto>
i put it right below the statement after which I wnat to see the value of a variable
<Nephele>
You have to compile the library/application with debug symbols. You need to change the build system for that, in jam for example set the DEBUG=1 variable for the directory
<Calisto>
ohhh okay
<Nephele>
for Cmake use for example target RelWithDebugInfo
<Calisto>
so i do this in the haiku src directory? or only in the tracker directory src/kits/tracker?
<Nephele>
the symbols help understand the debugger what the context of the application is, what the name is and such
<Calisto>
ohhhh okay
<Nephele>
depends for what you want the symbols? if it is a variable local to tracker then the kit is sufficient. if it is variables local to another kit (say support kit might be used) that would need debug symbols too then
<Nephele>
for example my build/jam/UserBuildConfig
<Nephele>
SetConfigVar DEBUG : HAIKU_TOP src servers media : 1 : global ;
<Nephele>
SetConfigVar DEBUG : HAIKU_TOP src kits media : 1 : global ;
<Nephele>
In that format you can set those
<Calisto>
oh okay
<Calisto>
thanks a lot nephele :)
<Nephele>
this doesn't *only* make it add debug info however, it also sometimes changes behaviour
<Nephele>
for example the network kit will print internal debug info about the connection if compiled like that
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<Nephele>
some kits use more assertions, i.e fail earlier
<Calisto>
oh right the ASSERTs are only for the Debug builds right?
<Nephele>
in general? no. It depends, are you talking about a macro?
<Nephele>
You would have to check if that is compiled based on the debug build or not (i.e if it is a macro does it have a version for debug vs non-debug?)
<Nephele>
but you can generally also have assertions in release builds
<Nephele>
if you want :)
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<Calisto>
oh okay
<Calisto>
thanks a lot nephele :D
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<Anarchos>
hello
<Nephele>
Calisto: worked?
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<PetePete>
Good morning all
<Begasus>
Hola
<PetePete>
Buen dia. Q pas?
<PetePete>
Anything to report?
<PetePete>
Are the haikus hakuing?
<PetePete>
Are the QTs quted?
<PetePete>
Is the Web still Positive?
<Nephele>
wow petepete
<PetePete>
I had a big glass of coffee
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<Begasus>
last week it was/still is, lua, now python again ....
<Begasus>
missing rst2pdf
<PetePete>
I'll get a serch party going for rst2pdf
<PetePete>
Say hi to lua for me
<PetePete>
search, even.
<Begasus>
already got it :)
<Begasus>
nah, said cu after a while to lua already :D
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<PetePete>
Ah... Farewell!
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<Begasus>
nah, will be back enough soon :P
<Begasus>
k, why doesn't Masterpiece pick up rst2pdf ...
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<Begasus>
bbl
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<jmairboeck>
I just got a KDL running the git tests with haikuporter
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<jmairboeck>
I think I'll merge the git PR now. Thanks waddlesplash for your feedback. The tests looked fine as far as they ran (a few failures but I think similar to the previous version).
<waddlesplash>
jmairboeck: is that KDL reproducible?
<waddlesplash>
if so we should extract a testcase
<waddlesplash>
I looked over the code but whatever the problem is doesn't seem obvious
<jmairboeck>
I haven't tried again, I can do that
<jmairboeck>
I am using VirtualBox with 2 virtual cores, which is not the recommended way (I know that)
<waddlesplash>
eh, it's not performant but it does the job
<waddlesplash>
jmairboeck: do you have X2APIC enabled in the VM?
<waddlesplash>
(maybe I have asked you this before)