<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes ddc8196 - gstreamer: bump version
<phschafft>
Morning. :)
<phschafft>
Is there something like a porter's box? a common system where people can try out changes without the need for a local test env? (I know that from other projects specifically those that have a wide range of archs so not everyone can be expected to have every kind of hardware around)
<phschafft>
also can anyone give me a little hint where the code is that implements the frontend side for syscalls? (the code that handles them as they come in, not the drivers that may be called depending on the meaning of the syscall)
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 0c48008 - gst_plugins_bad: bump version
<dovsienko>
one reason to implement multiple (even if not simultaneous) user support in some distant future would be to have something different from "HaikuUser" as the default username in the IRC client
<Begasus>
I vote to re-instate "Binky"! :D
<dovsienko>
here's an idea: make the default username be something like "HaikuR1Beta5" to know what they are running
<dovsienko>
- "my XXX does not work"
<dovsienko>
- "you need to upgrade"
<Begasus>
+1 :D
<dovsienko>
do not spell the exact hrev in order to maintain some privacy, but knowing if this is one of the betas or the nightly would be useful. also maybe 32/64 bit
<dovsienko>
hmm, actually this information is already in CCTP version
<phschafft>
keep in mind that you can also use CTCP VERSION for that, which would be the standard way for exactly that problem. ;)
<dovsienko>
Begasus: it tells even your CPU details
<dovsienko>
I felt very original for a minute, you know
<Begasus>
eeps! (well, no secrets there I think) :)
<Begasus>
oh dovsienko, you're cheating, not even running Haiku :P
<dovsienko>
I thought I made it very clear my Haiku runs in a VM, same as a number of other non-Linux OSes
<Begasus>
could be, haven't followed everything ;)
<dovsienko>
otherwise how would I discuss a KDL on IRC without using a separate PC?
<phschafft>
dovsienko: ... slowly ;)
<Begasus>
take pictures ... reboot? :)
<dovsienko>
my main OS has been Linux since around 1999
<Begasus>
Has been for years too here
<dovsienko>
I only used Windows on the employer's PC when working some jobs
<Begasus>
this one came with Windows on it, so glad they left room for Haiku on the disk :)
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes f37bd72 - gst_plugins_ugly: bump version
<dovsienko>
you know you can resize the partitions without losing the data, right? my favourite tool is GParted, it is very much like a bootable Partition Magic floppy in the old days
<Begasus>
On previous laptops disks were partitioned dynamicly (iirc), so you couldn't resize/delete partitions
<dovsienko>
I mean, the bootable CD/USB GParted
<dovsienko>
Begasus: what is a dynamic partitioning?
<Begasus>
had plenty linux iso's around to put on a usb, gparted is known here
<Begasus>
dynamicly allocated? ... been a while :)
<Begasus>
look up something like "dynamic partitioning", I only know I couldn't do anything on the partitions without braking the Windows install back then
<dovsienko>
oh, yet another Microsoft innovation
<Begasus>
yeah :)
<Begasus>
so, on this install I had about 400GB free space (not partitioned) :)
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 3f91d71 - libkgapi, use correct libVersion (#11112)
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<san2ban>
Hi...a small query..I am on the nightlies...ran an update just now...3 versions of poppler got installed...22, 23, 24...apart from these, poppler for qt5, qt6 also got installed...why somany versions are needed?
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<Begasus>
san2ban, deppends if you had all of them installed
<Begasus>
default poppler was renamed to poppler22, aside from that only revbumps
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<san2ban>
Hi begasus, I did not install manually any of the poppler....it must have installed along with the programs that I have installed
<san2ban>
Begasus, if development branch is enabled,will all these get installed
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<Begasus>
san2ban, not sure what you mean, but if you don't need those devel packages they won't be installed
<Begasus>
iirc there are conflicts, so you can't have them all installed :) (devel packages*)
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] c936122410bc - intel: enable the active checkbox, if it's the first primary partition
<jmairboeck>
Anarchos: I think latex rebuilds the formats when it doesn't find them or they are corrupted. It does that for example, when running inside haikuporter, because that doesn't run post-install scripts when activating packages in the chroot. Maybe you have some old format files somewhere? Can you try deleting them and rebuilding with fmtutil?
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<dovsienko>
what is the easiest way to connect to Haiku desktop from a PC on the same LAN? VNC?
<Coldfirex>
easiest? ssh would be my guess. vnc can work too tho
<dovsienko>
the graphical desktop. the SSH part is pretty clear
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<phschafft>
Good evening everyone.
<dovsienko>
so, I have a Haiku PC now
<phschafft>
:))
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<dovsienko>
it took me a while to figure that the VNC server password file is not a plain text file and one needs to run "vncpasswd" to set the password
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<dovsienko>
so VNC works, but the lag is so bad on a GbE LAN that something must be wrong
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<dovsienko>
went through the forum threads, raised the thread priority from 5 to 10, changed the resolution to 640*480 and now it is more responsive
<dovsienko>
should be fine since I mostly use SSH anyway
<x512[m]>
dovsienko: Screen capture speed will be very bad if integrated GPU is not used.
<dovsienko>
this PC has a weird graphics card
<dovsienko>
it present VESA modes only and is slow even without VNC
<Habbie>
what card?
<x512[m]>
Fast screen capture need GPU acceleration support. Or GPU without dedicated VRAM.
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<x512[m]>
Direct VRAM reading from CPU is terribly slow.
<dovsienko>
Habbie: never heard of such thing before, but it identifies as "ASPEED AS1100" and also has an onboard Ethernet port (which does not work)
<dovsienko>
some HP part number that possibly was made to fit this particular computer only. it also seems to have a PCIe x1 and an x8 connector at once, which matches the motherboard
<dovsienko>
there's an onboard video, but it does not work much beyond BIOS setup
<HaikuUser>
hi from a new haiku user? I am behind a firewall dont know this message will arrive. :P
<dovsienko>
anyway, it has one functional video output (out of two), one functional Ethernet NIC (out of two), bootable USB2 ports and a SATA controller that works in Linux and Haiku, so it will do for testing purposes
<dovsienko>
HaikuUser: QSL, QSL
<HaikuUser>
Wooooow thats soo cool XDD
<HaikuUser>
dovisenko: hi my first IRC friend~
<dovsienko>
HaikuUser: have you played OpenDune yet?
<HaikuUser>
no what is that, let me search
<dovsienko>
oh, that's the grandfather of what is mistakenly called "real-time strategy" (it is real-time tactics, of course)
<dovsienko>
a true classic, still playable. more specifically, playable on Haiku
<HaikuUser>
oh, is about Dune? I do watched the novel, didn't find it in Haikudepot tho.
<dovsienko>
it most certainly shows in my HaikuDepot
<HaikuUser>
let me update the depot see
<HaikuUser>
how to change the user name btw, should I type NICK <name> in here
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<HaikuUser>
hi i am back :)
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<waddlesplash>
dovsienko: I think reading from graphics memory is slow and this is a lot of why VNC is slow
<waddlesplash>
we should refactor app_server to allow runtime output switching to non-graphics memory
<HaikuUser>
still didn't find opendune... I only have too defult repo... is that the case?
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<HaikuUser>
find it in web!
<dovsienko>
HaikuUser: you can change the nick with "/nick newnick", as is usual in IRC
<dovsienko>
my OpenDune was in the packages, so it was trivial to install
<dovsienko>
HaikuUser: you are running hrev56578+97, which is R1/beta4 with updates
<dovsienko>
I am running a nightly snapshot
<dovsienko>
that may be the reason (or the fact beta4 repositories are down)
<dovsienko>
waddlesplash: instead of the refactoring maybe it would make sense in this case just to splash $5 on an old basic video card that just works in Haiku
<waddlesplash>
does VESA not work?
<dovsienko>
it does, slowly
<waddlesplash>
odd that it's so slow
<waddlesplash>
I use VESA or EFI framebuffer and they're fast
<dovsienko>
at least it boots and runs, unlike my spare laptop
<waddlesplash>
note that there's a recent regression with ACPI on the nightlies that may be related here
<waddlesplash>
beta5 builds aren't affected
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<HaikuUser>
dovsienko: thanks :D should I use nightly or wait for the beta5? I am managed to download opendune, but the libsdl is lower than 1.2, I am going to find a way to upgrade it first...
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<dovsienko>
nightly works for me
<rUidiO>
I am enloved with haiku by now, is fresh air
<rUidiO>
I kinda shoot myself on the foot, use usb-stick to install the haiku, but I erased the entire computer disk to be the file system /boot, and the boot loader still on the usb, now I can't erase the computer disk or use haiku without usb. ahhh
<dovsienko>
hmm, I installed from a USB stick onto a blank SSD today and the PC certainly boots without the USB stick
<waddlesplash>
you may still need the USB stick to boot if your computer only boots with EFI, and you didn't make an EFI partition with the EFI loader in it
<dovsienko>
this PC runs BIOS then
<rUidiO>
yeah I guess I deleted EFI partition on my computer disk, is a fat32? I didn't follow the guide to make the disk bootable? (now the opinion grayedout and say incomplate
<rUidiO>
haiku automaticly use the large computer disk to mount the /boot after reboot the system
<dovsienko>
looks like you'd have to save the data and reinstall the system to get rid of the USB bootloader. or maybe just leave it the way it is if it works
<rUidiO>
I guess i am still runnning on a demo setup? or haiku doesn't have user group (like password for login to the system, didn't find the opinion...
<dovsienko>
no, that's the intended design
<dovsienko>
single user, auto-login into the desktop
<rUidiO>
oh thats great, so if I have the bootloader only on my usb, it will work like a carry on password :)
<dovsienko>
that's the spirit
<rUidiO>
thats just awesome...
<rUidiO>
is the IRC encrpyt?
<dovsienko>
there's a password-protected screensaver though, last time I suggested to have an option to start it at boot, this way there would be no need to implement a login screen
<rUidiO>
I guess it just simple as that... no redundent design
<dovsienko>
yes and no. if you use TLS to connect to the server, your communication with the server (such as your IRC password if you use one) will be secret. but what you post to the channel is on the public Internet and will stay there whether you want it or not
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* dovsienko
is shopping for an old video card such as Nvidia
<rUidiO>
is based on TLS, ohh, as long as ISP doesn't log it I guess is fine...
<x512[m]>
New Nvidia GPUs hardware acceleration support have a chance of getting Haiku support in near future.
<x512[m]>
Turing+.
<gordonjcp>
dovsienko: what do you need?
<dovsienko>
x512[m]: I had about $5-10 budget in mind
<dovsienko>
gordonjcp: the PC has a PCIe 2 x16 slot, I guess anything would do so long as Haiku can drive it
<dovsienko>
low profile single width slot, that is (it is a small PC)