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<Oscar-L>
I think I'll have to disable encryption on "Torrentor!". Doesn't works with neither my hacky changes, nor with the "upstream" update to libtransmission 2.93.
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<Oscar-L>
Seems to be able to download beta4 .iso well enough though! As long as encryption is set to off, and provided there the trackers listed in the .torrent can be used (can't add/remove trackers from Torrentor!'s GUI it seems).
<Oscar-L>
This Torrentor! looks like the good old Transmission for BeOS that Eric Petit started way back then.
<Oscar-L>
good to have a native client, even if a bit flacky at the moment :-)
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<Golemwire>
I managed to update to Beta5. All seems to be going well so far... my menu font choice applies to more menus now, so that's nice :)
<Golemwire>
Though I'm sure that wasn't the main thing.
<waddlesplash>
no, there's quite a lot more than that :)
<Skipp_OSX>
heyo thank you for testing my change
<Skipp_OSX>
The main thing didn't make it so the backup main thing is that the Tracker menu items should enable/disable correctly now and you get light gray backgrounds on read-only folders.
<Skipp_OSX>
well for Tracker anyway, also webkit updates, network, kernel, audio, usb, all sorts of stuff
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<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes f98f814 - qt6_datavis3d: bump version
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<nephele>
THe last couple of days, every time I start Haiku it behaves as if the shift key was pressed in. But after pressing it once it stops. The keyboard works normally otherwise, so i'm struggeling to see if this is a hw problem or something with haiku
<Begasus>
Fetching package for haiku >= r1~beta5_hrev58013-1 ...
<Begasus>
now how do I find out where it requires this?
<nephele>
haiku is always a dependency of packages iirc
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<Begasus>
yeah I know nephele
<Begasus>
just switched to beta5 repo and did a full-sync
<Anarchos>
is genio better than paladin ?
<Begasus>
guess there is something left behind from previous builds ...
<Begasus>
nice Anarchos! (me has no clue about it as usual) :)
<Anarchos>
Begasus i means my accelerometer driver is loaded
<Anarchos>
though it needs work to go further the init
* phschafft
quickly hides the cookies with Begasus as nephele joins.
<phschafft>
erysdren: wanted to discuss address space layouts a little with you.
<Begasus>
bugger
<Begasus>
progress then Anarchos!
<Anarchos>
yes !
<OscarL>
nephele: regarding your keyboard issue. I had a similar problem after switching from beta4 to nightlies/beta5. Solved it by removing my keymap file and re-creating it (I had one modified to add NumLock=On).
<OscarL>
in my case, the problem was not with shift but with option key.
<OscarL>
I first tried removing every single setting I could find related to input, only re-creating the keymap file worked for me.
<Begasus>
did the trick :D
<nephele>
OscarL: huh. Maybe this is a regression?
<nephele>
phschafft: you'd better. Sugar is bad for you!
<Begasus>
plenty for me then :P
<nephele>
Anarchos: genio and paladin have different goals. Neither is better than the other, it depends on your use-case
<nephele>
Paladin is a project overview basically, you can see your project and interact with it. Text editing is done with a dedicated text editor for example, so Paladin dispatches jobs to other applications in the context of the project
<OscarL>
re: keyboard/keymap woes... dunno. but sure as hell it was annoying till I found how to solve it.
<nephele>
Genio on the other hand tries to be fully integrated, that means much less third party support. But it tries to do everything you'd want on it's own
<nephele>
OscarL: your hint is good. I will backup the old file, if this fixes it we have a culprit, and a bug report in waiting ;)
<phschafft>
Begasus: see! what I said!
<Begasus>
don't mind him phschafft, nephele can have a carrot instead :)
<phschafft>
hm...
<phschafft>
I guess so.
<nephele>
reinstalling MacOS is a pain. I wonder if we can do better, have a little rescue env in the efi loader or something
<nephele>
Begasus: yes, i will provide filled shoes this november ;)
<nephele>
so i should get some carrots
<Begasus>
should please phschafft's donkey also :)
<Begasus>
guess I could grab some for the dogs here too :D
<nephele>
just too bad i can't get any good bags of pepernootjies here... There is like 200g but really small ones and costs almost 1€
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<nephele>
and they are sold out way before sinterklaas
<Anarchos>
tree /dev/sensor/ ==> /dev/sensor/ ──> acpi_accel ──> 0
<Anarchos>
nice :)
<nephele>
Begasus: I've seen some huge 4k OLED 240hz monitors though
<nephele>
might be the "next" thing for my desktop
<nephele>
xD
<nephele>
Oled TVs are interesting, except they are usually "smart tv" and then i don't want anything to do with em anymore
<Begasus>
had this monstor of a monitor years ago, was a blast resolution on it then with BeOS(MaxEdition) :)
<Begasus>
biab ... doggies :)
<nephele>
ugh, mail forwards html emails by copying the html into the message body without marking it as html
<nephele>
gotta say, for "email in 2024" it's starting to show more and more problems
* phschafft
wonders if one could define 'huge monitor' by 'you can\'t lift it on your own' in a way that is a more stable definition even with years passing...
<nephele>
phschafft: I've yet to encounter such monitors
<nephele>
most work safety thingies say 20kg is the limit of stuff you *should* lift on your own
<nephele>
Or maybe you mean just from the sheer width? :)
<phschafft>
nephele: I think 20kg is the legal limit or something. some places also implement 15kg. my flatmate's university does so. just to be on the safe side.
<phschafft>
nephele: but yes, I mean back in the tube days there was no problem to get something > 20kg.
<phschafft>
and the monitors my flatmate works with are also > 20kg, even without case.
<Anarchos>
phschafft i remember a big SUN 24 or 30" monitor, weighing 32k
<phschafft>
:)
<nephele>
I remember carrying a crt monitor onto my bed with pc and everything, so i could play video games in bed xD
<Anarchos>
nephele lol
<Anarchos>
nephele i am sad to have throw away my 8088 with monochrome green display
<phschafft>
I got some baluns for VGA so I can patch a video signal thru to my bed rack on the old flat.
<phschafft>
and given I also had DIN to RJ-45 for other reaons I also could patch thru my keyboard.
<Anarchos>
phschafft my best keyboard is a mini DIn one and i can't plug it anymore
<Anarchos>
(on with the purple round connector)
<nephele>
Anarchos: i have some pc with TRS-DOS on it
<nephele>
also one that originally ran ibm pc-dos
* Anarchos
is idle: gone eating
<nephele>
but i don't have a floppy for that :(
<nephele>
and IBM support doesn't know what a floppy is
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<phschafft>
Anarchos: mine is also PS/2 with a mini DIN. but DIN->Mini DIN is something one generally has around.
<Anarchos>
phschafft my computers only have usb connectors for keyboards now
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<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 739e3ee - residualvm, drop obsolete (#11053)
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<dovsienko>
Anarchos: at one point around early 2000s PS/2 -> USB keyboard adapters were common
<phschafft>
and they were good. the current adapters you get look the same as the old ones but they don't generally work.
<phschafft>
for some reasons.
<dovsienko>
apparently, they still exist, $5 for a pair (keyboard and mouse)
<phschafft>
and they fail in strange ways for me. like some keys don't work but others do.
<dovsienko>
cheap imitators
<phschafft>
they were always that cheap.
<phschafft>
and I mean there were only a few differnet chips around. not sure why they just don't keep using them...
<phschafft>
to me the mode they fail feels like someone needed to put more resources in to make it fail than to make it work.
<dovsienko>
a common reason is that one manufacturer makes something that works good and someone else knocks off a "compatible upgrade" that is $0.01 cheaper, so greedy OEMs switch to that
<dovsienko>
this process has been in place since times as old as archaeological evidence goes
<phschafft>
yes, but in this case I don't think is what happened.
<dovsienko>
pots, jewellery, bricks, knifes and swords, etc. basically anything that needs honest application of the technology available at the time
<phschafft>
dovsienko: you know why coins have no smooth edges? ;)
<dovsienko>
to make grinding off more difficult
* phschafft
nods.
<dovsienko>
or evident, to that end
<Begasus>
PulkoMandy still a lot left without version string for openssl3 :/ https://bpa.st/HZ2MG
<Begasus>
well, some local ones in there not in the depot yet, but still :)
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<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] e5f569eedddb - packagefs: Don't bother with depots for most of the object caches.
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] d6dd251e6c22 - packagefs: Remove some last remnants of V1 support.
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 3e6902c3f465 - SinglyLinkedList: Rename Size to Count.
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] df44e515de8c - SinglyLinkedList: The sole Iterator is really ConstIterator.
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 8e33a0dacf7e - packagefs: Use SinglyLinkedList for PackageNodeAttribute.
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h
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<jmairboeck>
Anarchos: I saw in the log that you had problems with Latex yesterday. Did I break something with my texlive_core refactoring?
<Anarchos>
no idea but still texmf.cnf not found
<Anarchos>
but not sure if am totally up to date
<jmairboeck>
that should be part of the main texlive package IIRC. Maybe try reinstalling that.
<jmairboeck>
but it could also be a problem that it is still the 2023 version, because 2024 failed to build when I updated it, at least on x86_64. Maybe we should retry building it ...
<jmairboeck>
I was wrong, ultimately it is supposed to use the texmf.cnf from texlive_core
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 2b50ad3 - Telegram: bump for rebuild
<janking>
good
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<janking>
good night to all :)
<erysdren>
night!
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<jhj>
Hrm. Emacs is broken? :(
<waddlesplash>
what happens?
<waddlesplash>
maybe it just needs a rebuild
<augiedoggie>
loads fine for me on x86_64 nightly
<jhj>
ah nevermind
<jhj>
It needs an explicit -nw to work when I ssh'd in
<jhj>
I guess it was trying to display on the machine upstairs
<erysdren>
hmm, i'm not too familiar about haiku's networking capabilities, since it's meant to be a personal-use OS and not a server OS
<erysdren>
i didn't know you could ssh into a haiku machine, but i guess i don't know why you wouldn't be able to
<erysdren>
seems like an important thing to have
<erysdren>
the reason i bring this up is because i was thinking about porting some server-ish software for an obscure protocol to Haiku, but i was discouraged because it seemed like wasted effort for an OS not meant to "host" things