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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 734556cb96d1 - kernel/vm: Don't unset VMArea::id in delete_areas.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev58145] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=734556cb96d1+%5E53ff60f224c2
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 6c26c5b01d6e - kernel/x86: Whitespace and comment cleanup in add_memory_type_range.
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<botifico> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haiku/infrastructure/compare/bcf9c3b4c6d5...76976c982c34
<botifico> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 38e45f9 - deployments/buildmaster: Bump to system-packages r1beta5_111 - g3c64a6
<botifico> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 76976c9 - hpkgbouncer: Bump to 0.4.0
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<erysdren> the inexplicable urge to make a fork of Jam for my own use
<waddlesplash> erysdren: https://github.com/weinhold/ham
<waddlesplash> you may want to start here
<waddlesplash> (or with one of the forks of that which attempted to add the remaining features)
<erysdren> remaining features?
<waddlesplash> it doesn't implement enough to build Haiku with yet
<waddlesplash> I don't recall what's missing
<erysdren> ahh
<erysdren> the compiled-in Jambase is kinda crufted up to hell, the base of the software seems good but i don't really like the rules in place as they are
<erysdren> that's why i wanna fork it
<waddlesplash> untangling that will be hard
<erysdren> indeed
<waddlesplash> I did some cleanups not too long ago but it proved difficult to not regress
<erysdren> well, on the bright side (for me) this wouldn't be for compatibility with existing Jamfiles
<erysdren> i say all this, but i haven't even quite grasped the Jam syntax yet
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<erysdren> it's kinda weird/tough to grasp to me
<waddlesplash> note there's also https://github.com/dominicm00/ham
<waddlesplash> which is a fork of weinhold's ham with more stuff, not sure how complete
<waddlesplash> but it also rewrote a lot
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<x512[m]> And then another GSoC with forking fork of Ham, significantly reworking it and leave incomplete. And so to infinity.
<erysdren> bleurgh
<erysdren> i just want a build system that isnt Make :P
<erysdren> and is also portable, expressive, etc....
<x512[m]> Meson
<erysdren> maybe so
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<waddlesplash> the August activity report is >2k words and it's not even finished yet...
<waddlesplash> at this point it will be longer than the release notes were lol
<botifico> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/93c6dcc780e9...77f552e1b9cc
<botifico> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 77f552e - Activity Report, August.
<waddlesplash> final count ~2300
<waddlesplash> I probably missed some things, too...
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/ff1b6a097254...f2e7879f1ff8
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL f2e7879 - sqlalchemy: update to version 1.3.24. (#11125)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/f2e7879f1ff8...de3397e71d6a
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL de3397e - typing_extensions: update to version 4.12.2. (#11126)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/de3397e71d6a...0f22217d2729
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL 0f22217 - mako: update to version 1.3.5. (#11127)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/0f22217d2729...dc675a224a4f
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL dc675a2 - alembic_py: update to version 1.13.2, fixed dependencies. (#11128)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/dc675a224a4f...3f1f7881b895
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] phw 3f1f788 - mutagen: bump version to 1.47.0 (#11076)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/3f1f7881b895...12c6511ba158
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] ElectrodeYT 12c6511 - pango: bump to 1.54.0 (#11013)
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<Begasus> one downside from using "Web" browser ... those darn keybourd issue :/
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<coolcoder613> Hi erysdren
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/12c6511ba158...e015976453fb
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] hfsfox e015976 - rtaudio: add recipe (#8962)
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<Thrawn> Hello!
<Thrawn> I'd like to ask a question about the new beta5. I'm trying to boot the 64-bit ISO within VirtualBox 7.0.18 on a RedHat Enterprise Linux 8 host. It's all x86_64, CPU is an AMD Ryzen 7 5700G. But I instantly get a kernel panic. The loader says: "64-bit kernel requires a 64-bit CPU"
<Thrawn> Is there anything I can do to make this work? All other 64-bit x86 operating system builds work just fine (Windows, FreeBSD, Solaris, Linux, etc.).
<coolcoder613> Did you set the type to other/unknown (64-bit)
<coolcoder613> ?
<phschafft> Good morning.
<Thrawn> Let me check!
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<Thrawn> Aah, you got it! It didn't select the correct "other/unknown" by itself. What a simple mistake (and solution), thank you!
<Begasus> g'morning there
<Begasus> Thrawn, there is a howto for virtualbox on the site
<coolcoder613> Hi phschafft
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/e015976453fb...a1e30e9c25fc
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL a1e30e9 - gertty: Recipe cleanups. Build only once. (#10786)
<Thrawn> Yeah, I'm used to creating lots and lots of different VBox VMs all the time, so I wasn't even considering needing a HowTo. ;)
<Thrawn> Ah, work is interrupting me.
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<Begasus> np :)
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<Begasus> would be nice if VBox had a detection for Haiku for that
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<Thrawn|afk> Would also be nice if the user attempting an installation would be smarter, but we can't have all the nice things. ;p
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<phschafft> all good?
<dovsienko> I agree it would be nice for VirtualBox to auto-detect
<Thrawn> In my case: Now installing Haiku, so yes. ;)
<coolcoder613> phschafft: I'm working on FAT support
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<Halian> o/
<phschafft> :))
<Begasus> Think there is something off with how Filelight computes the diskspace :) https://0x0.st/X3eL.1.png
<phschafft> now I feel like my cookies need to be more fancy.
<Begasus> with sprinkles please :D
<phschafft> I only have dark ones with white chocolate stars ontop.
<phschafft> I think that's as fancy as it currently gets.
<Begasus> this isn't any better :P https://0x0.st/X3ef.png
<Begasus> I'm fine with either phschafft :D
* phschafft then hands Begasus one of the dark ones.
* Begasus gladly receives the offer with a big smile, thank you sir!
<phschafft> :)
<phschafft> my plesaure.
<Begasus> comfort food ... hmm :)
<phschafft> :)
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<Anarchos> what to do when checkfs says 'inode XXX has blocks already set' ?
<Begasus> consult the manual? :)
<Begasus> sorry, no idea :)
<Anarchos> Begasus it happens from time to time. I already read the journaling system of BeFS is not perfect, that 's why we have the commands 'checkfs'/'recover' ...
<Begasus> Anarchos, from time to time I just run it to do some housekeeping, nothing fancy here (so far)
<Begasus> nice, all tests pass on latest imagemagick :)
<Anarchos> Begasus sure but repeated checkfs just give same errors, so it hasn't solve them
<Begasus> Anarchos, not a lot of options there :)
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<Anarchos> Begasus ok things to know : checkfs gives you name and inode number of faulty files. You can find where they are with 'query <filename>' or 'find <path to volum> -inum <inode number>
<Anarchos> Begasus this points me to a .git folder corrupted.
<Anarchos> I just reclone in /tmp and copy the new .git over the faulty one . Now all is in order
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<Begasus> ah
<Begasus> maybe I should just see if any exists here :)
<Begasus> guess I'm good Anarchos :) 0 blocks already set
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<coolcoder613> There seems to be a spammmer on the forum, who should I ping?
<coolcoder613> all been flagged
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<Begasus> /Opslag/haikuports/packages> pkgman install imagemagick_devel-7.1.1.38-1-x86_64.hpkg imagemagick-7.1.1.38-1-x86_64.hpkg imagemagick_tools-7.1.1.38-1-x86_64.hpkg
<Begasus> works OK :)
<Begasus> also moved documentations to seperate (6 MiB!) package, guess that would please some that don't need it :)
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<Anarchos> Begasus nice move !
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<Begasus> movie?
<Begasus> ah :D
<Begasus> Angelfish/Konqueror 516/555 Falkon a bit better (html5test.com)
<Begasus> epiphany 492
<Begasus> Web+ 365
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<Begasus> can't remember why I wanted to look at imagemagick :P
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<Begasus> ah, blender PR (was missing cmd:convert)
<Anarchos> Begasus i found the fault in texlive installation : if you do 'pkgman install cmd:latex' it doesn't pull all the mandatory packages.
<Begasus> yeah, that's known I think Anarchos
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<Begasus> iirc texlive and lilypond recipe mention those in the recipe
<Begasus> eg, you need the langauge packages also
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<nephele_xmpp> Hi
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<erysdren> hi
<janking> hi
<Anarchos> Begasus[m] in my mind, if i do 'pkgman install cmd:latex' it should pull all the needed packages.
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] korli pushed 1 commit to master [hrev58147] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=017c5e70d544+%5E6c26c5b01d6e
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 017c5e70d544 - Shortcuts: Mute shortcut is now from "toggle mute" instead of "mute"
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<freddietilley> 0;39;82M/quit
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<Begasus> OK network up and stable again for now
<Begasus> kids .... :P
<nephele_xmpp> your kids sabotage your network?
<nephele_xmpp> on a side project: anyone have experience with SDL2 game creation on Haiku? I want to move my game project from Love2d (lua; SDL2) to SDL2 directly (with C++).
<erysdren> well, if you're using SDL2 then you won't need much Haiku-specific stuff
<erysdren> it should "just work"
<erysdren> when you rebuild it with i.e. CMake or make or w/e
<Anarchos> Begasus my math verifier progress :)
<Anarchos> i will continue tomorrow.
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<nephele_xmpp> erysden: I wonder about that :). I’ve had to manually fix some stuff in the SDL2 port before. And usually some linker stuff needs to be manipulated compared to linux (for example linking in libnetwork)
<nephele_xmpp> also, can I just use Jam? is Jam available for building on linux? I know boost uses some fork of Jam
<erysdren> you can pull the Haiku buildtools repository and just build jam and it will give you the executable
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<erysdren> Jam doesn't seem to have much haiku-specific stuff, i have it installed on my linux box
<erysdren> (the haiku fork of jam)
<erysdren> the Jam syntax is kindve a mystery to me
<nephele_xmpp> Well, we also have Ham. I wonder :)
<erysdren> i don't think anyone uses ham, it was unfinihsed right?
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<nephele_xmpp> I think it does not succesfully build haiku completely yet
<Begasus> nephele_xmpp, linking libnetwork with cmake shouldn't be that hard?
<Begasus> plenty examples in haikuports tree
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<nephele_xmpp> Begasus: Not hard neccesarily, but an extre step nontheless :)
<Begasus> it's the same with any build system
<nephele_xmpp> Not sure what you are arguing?
<nephele_xmpp> My original question was about sdl2 begasus
<Begasus> yeah and then " And usually some linker stuff needs to be manipulated compared to linux (for example linking in libnetwork"
<Begasus> for windows they already use "ws2_32" for that, and it's about common, for Haiku it isn't :)
<Begasus> so useing SDL2 shouldn't be an issue for "that" :)
<nephele_xmpp> I’m still not sure what you are arguing about :/
<Begasus> "I’ve had to manually fix some stuff in the SDL2 port before" -> nephele_xmpp
<Begasus> not sure what should be fixed there
<nephele_xmpp> I was reffering to the port of sdl2 to Haiku. Implementations of windowing primitives and such. And those things I fixed are already well… fixed :P
<Begasus> ok :)
<nephele_xmpp> i think stuff like respecting minimum window size as set by sdl2 and such
<Begasus> on Haiku or in general?
<nephele_xmpp> Haiku
<Begasus> k, starting to make sense :D
* phschafft pushes nephele_xmpp towards erysdren's windowing system ;)
<nephele_xmpp> that better not be wayland
<erysdren> pfft what windowing system
<erysdren> you better not be talking about eui :P
<nephele_xmpp> Who hasen’t made a couple of UI toolkits ? :D
<erysdren> heh yeah, ive made too many for "fun"
<erysdren> right now i'm really itching to write my own affine polygon rasterizer... for some reason
<nosycat> It's a kind of fun I can get behind.
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<nosycat> Found a fork of Audacity that claims to support Haiku: https://codeberg.org/tenacityteam/tenacity
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev58148] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=0f807f440100+%5E017c5e70d544
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 0f807f440100 - kernel/x86: dump hwpstate, cpb, proc_feedback features
<Begasus> nosycat, tenacity is already in the depot?
<nosycat> It is? Cool!
<nosycat> Should have looked first.
<nosycat> Always a good feeling, to find developers who know and care.
<Begasus> maybe had a hand in it at some point, but I didn't do the port :)
<nosycat> Either way they now support it.
<Begasus> +1 :)
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<nielx[m]> Hello everyone, I am now going to update discuss.haiku-os.org to Discourse 3.3.1. Maintenance will last up to an hour
<phschafft> thanks for the info. :)
<phschafft> good luck :)
<nielx[m]> Backup complete, now updating the software
<Begasus> nielx[m], you're an hour late! :)
<Begasus> but thanks :D
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<nielx[m]> I'm an hour early!!! :-P
<nielx[m]> Anyway, it is done
<Begasus> heh
<Begasus> +1 :D
<botifico> [haiku/infrastructure] nielx pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/infrastructure/compare/76976c982c34...85c46828d121
<botifico> [haiku/infrastructure] nielx 85c4682 - Discourse: deploy 3.3.1
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<dovsienko> discovery of the day: you can install htop on Haiku!
<erysdren> oh cool, i didnt know that
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<Begasus> lol
<Begasus> there's conky(?) too :)
<dovsienko> it seems "stress-ng --malloc 2" is not a reliable way to trigger the AMD triple fault
<dovsienko> two stressors eliminated, more than 300 remaining :-/
<Begasus> progress! (be it ever so low) :)
<Begasus> closing down here
<Begasus> cu peeps!
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<dovsienko> hmm, the only items conky displays correctly are: hostname, uptime, RAM, swap and CPU usage
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<Anarchos> hello
<dovsienko> Anarchos: hi
<dovsienko> according to htop, load average is always 0.00
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<nephele> Emails beeing found with a querry is kind of cool. But that it is *only* a querry and no specific e-mail ui is kinda meh
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] tqh pushed 1 commit to master [hrev58149] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=c2f3786ab0d5+%5E0f807f440100
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] c2f3786ab0d5 - arm64: Save all integer registers in exception handlers.
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<HaikuUser> beta5 works fine on the steamdeck
<HaikuUser> one just has to set the resolution in the bootloader
<nephele> are you using a usb-c storage? or a dongle?
<HaikuUser> an SD card in a USB reader, so basically a USB stick
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<Habbie> mmlr, lol, nice
<mmlr> let's see if the garbled screen by default can be fixed somehow
<mmlr> the internal SD card reader leads to KDL too
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<stickman68> Hey maybe this has been asked and answered a bunch of times so my apologies in advance, but what is the status of the WINE port?
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<x512[m]> stickman68: Latest version cause kernel crash: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/19012
<stickman68> @x512 Thanks!
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<coolcoder613> Hi erysdren
<coolcoder613> Have I told you about the progress on my OS?
<erysdren> you havent!
<erysdren> please fill me in
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<coolcoder613> So, at the start of this week I added support for running WASM binaries to my OS
<coolcoder613> Then, the next day, I implemented ATA support and a very simple filesystem
<coolcoder613> The day after that (tuesday) I designed a filesystem that was a little more usable
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<coolcoder613> Oh, before I started designing the filesystem on tuesday, I first tried to integrate a FAT library, but failed
<coolcoder613> and on wednesday I started implementing that filesystem, but ended up finding a different FAT library that was more compatible, and using that
<erysdren> awesome!!!
<erysdren> great work :D
<coolcoder613> So I'm using libraries for WASM, ATA (I actually brought that one in-tree), and FAT
<coolcoder613> The latest code is not there yet tho
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