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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/2b50ad3f17b4...cca5e3408916
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash cca5e34 - ruby: Update to 3.2.5.
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<Skipp_OSX> can somebody tell me how to pop up the error window in package daemon?
<Skipp_OSX> either that or the "results" window... in HaikuDepot somehow
<waddlesplash> try to install something with conflicting or unmet dependencies
<Skipp_OSX> e.g.?
<Skipp_OSX> testing fix for #19068 by making those use document color instead of list, and I made my list dark and my list selection color purple to see the difference
<Skipp_OSX> I can get an error window but I don't think that's the one I'm looking for
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/cca5e3408916...0e476428ef3d
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash 0e47642 - HaikuWebKit: Build with Clang.
<waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: you want the "solution 1: don't install..."
<Skipp_OSX> yeah
<waddlesplash> try installing an ICU package other than the version you have installed
<waddlesplash> that should give the window
<waddlesplash> specifically if you have icu74_devel, try installing icu75_devel
<waddlesplash> that gives the problem 1 ... solution 1... here
<Skipp_OSX> aha, yes, thank you
<Skipp_OSX> yeah I am...
<waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: yeah, "ignore problem for now"
<waddlesplash> also "solution 1" etc. isn't visible
<Skipp_OSX> solution 1: solution 2: ignore problem for now correct
<Skipp_OSX> wrong color, glad I checked
<waddlesplash> hm these buttons feel proportially wrong
<waddlesplash> did I get a metrics computation wrong when I wrote the HiDPI code?
<Skipp_OSX> text isn't centered right
<Skipp_OSX> you did in Deskbar :) idk
<waddlesplash> nah, I did it everywhere
<waddlesplash> a large chunk of our HiDPI support is me, because I got a HiDPI display and wanted Haiku to look nice on it lol
<Skipp_OSX> well then clearly this is your fault
<Skipp_OSX> but not the colors idk who did that
<waddlesplash> left/top: your screenshot, scaled 150%
<waddlesplash> right: my system (font size 18pt, 150% 12pt)
<waddlesplash> so, it's actually not as tall as we would expect
<waddlesplash> and not as wide either
<waddlesplash> funny, I though it actually seemed too large not the other way around
<waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: unless, are you using something larger than 12pt font?
<Skipp_OSX> no 12
<waddlesplash> well something else odd is going on
<waddlesplash> maybe macOS is scaling things for you
<Skipp_OSX> it does
<waddlesplash> I just captured a fresh screenshot and it matches more closely
<Skipp_OSX> yeah that's what it is
<Skipp_OSX> it's how I took the screenshot
<Skipp_OSX> the text not centered vertically on the radio button is something else
<waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: that's a bug that also affects check boxes
<Skipp_OSX> hmm yeah
<waddlesplash> much more obvious on HiDPI
<Skipp_OSX> oof
<waddlesplash> yeah, that could stand to be fixed :)
<waddlesplash> well, maybe it's just the borders being different then
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<waddlesplash> we really need to get borders fixed in HidPI
<waddlesplash> I introduced B_*_BORDER_SPACING for this but still have not gotten around to refactoring BControlLook to use it rather than hardcoding 1
<janking> good morning
<waddlesplash> oh, by the way, when I was working on Appearance color tinting, I ported tint_color to JavaScript for easy testing of color tints
<waddlesplash> nice for experimenting with color tints without having to recompile something in C++
<waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: figured you might be interested
<Skipp_OSX> ooooo
<Skipp_OSX> what we really need is an algorithm that tints opposite for light or dark, so a disabled tint for example on light or dark background.
<waddlesplash> maybe
<waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: also, your blog is pretty neat. we should post about it on the social media channels :)
<Skipp_OSX> we're already doing it just without the algorithm and tons of strange constants.
* waddlesplash adds a TODO item for that
<Skipp_OSX> tumblr is an interesting place...
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<janking> Goooooood morning all :)
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<Begasus> looks correct Skipp_OSX
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<Begasus> g'morning OscarL :)
<Skipp_OSX> radio buttons on non-panel colors... heresy.
<Begasus> ah :D
<OscarL> hello Begasus! Looking at minidlna now. Got it to build properly. Do you remember why it has been disable almost since the .bep -> .recipe conversion ?
<Begasus> nothing in the history at github OscarL, been a loooong time since I looked at it :)
<Begasus> +?*
<OscarL> I like how well ssh/sftp on the LAN is working (after settings up for password-less operation). Once I install/setup mDNSResponder on all machines/installs... things will be even easier :-)
<OscarL> "minidlna.c:669: error: Media directory /opt not accessible [No such file or directory]" <<< guess minidlna could use some more patching.
<Begasus> knock yourself out, it's more something you are able to test :)
<Begasus> need a revbump for neochat
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<OscarL> Seems "/opt" only appears on the default "minidlna.conf" file. Quick-and-dirty fix for now... switch that to /home.
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<janking> hi!
<OscarL> hello.
<OscarL> Mmmm: "minidlna.c:669: error: Media directory /home not accessible [No such file or directory]" WAT?
<Begasus> Hi janking
<Begasus> OscarL, that's "WHAT"! :)
<janking> Hi Begasus
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/0e476428ef3d...414b1bbb5dce
<OscarL> Begasus: I know :-). Never heard of "WAT?!" in relation to JavaScript?
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 414b1bb - neochat, revbump for kquickimageeditor name fix (#11058)
<Begasus> "WAT" is Dutch (same thing as what though) :D
<OscarL> ah, I see.
<Begasus> time for the doggies and morning chores, biab
<OscarL> Begasus: just in case: https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat
<OscarL> (4 mins video)
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<OscarL> mmm, if I remove "devel:libcurl" from the minidlna recipe, ./configure fails to find libid3tag. WAT?
<Begasus> heh
<OscarL> got it to build without any traces of openssl (libssl/libcrypto).
<OscarL> not sure why those deps were there. added a comment on #10865
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<OscarL> Got a segment violation on PathMonitor.cpp. Had a TextSearch window open, and ran "haikuporter -c", that removed the dirs TextSearch was watching.
<Begasus> my delete button in WebPositive/gmail doesn't seem to work?
<Begasus> restarted, clicked a few times before it did the trick :)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/414b1bbb5dce...7e434c6f9629
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 7e434c6 - qt_creator: fix build - add Haiku provider for AppStatisticsMonitor plugin
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/7e434c6f9629...1dc3557423f8
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] kwyxz 1dc3557 - fixed additional cores other than vice_x64 (#11057)
<Begasus> OscarL, don't do TAT! :)
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<OscarL> :-D (First time that action causes a crash for me)
<Begasus> happened here a few times already
<OscarL> did you reported it already?
<Begasus> running TextSearch when a build is running for instance
<Begasus> not reported, not easy to reproduce :)
* phschafft looks left and right, checking for nephele. Once confirmed the sugar-police is not around he quickly refills the cookie bowl.
<OscarL> Begasus: indeed but... if you get a .report, and a general "it happens sometimes while doing *this*", might be good enough.
<hsp> pkgman uninstall does not remove the dependencies of packages that have been installed on a trial basis. Is this normal?
<Begasus> thank you sir! was waiting for my coffee cookie :D
<Begasus> yes hsp
<phschafft> :))
<OscarL> mmm, "/bin/nm -C -l" surely slows things down *a lot*.
<Begasus> no clue what it does OscarL :)
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<hsp> Begasus, and how do you get rid of them?
<OscarL> trying to "update" the good old "lgrep()".
<Begasus> uninstall them?
<hsp> No idea which ones they are
<Begasus> I always have my /system/packages sorted on newest date
<Begasus> that mostly gives me some indecation on what installed lately
<OscarL> Begasus: as "nm -h" says that "--defined-only" is ignored. I was just trying different combinations of things, and -l (--line-numbers) makes it unusable.
<Begasus> heh
<OscarL> due to big libs like libllvm*.so
<Begasus> hsp, depending on what the package is, and some requirements are also used by other packages ...
<OscarL> also... it complains it can't read DWARF version 4, only version 2.
<hsp> weak performance from pkgman
<Begasus> can sometimes be slow in response (same with HaikuDepot)
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<OscarL> sometimes it just "hangs" (today it hang for me even before doing the "refresh" repos data).
<hsp> Is there any way to display the dependencies?
<OscarL> (had to CTRL+C, worked right away after running it again)
<hsp> Begasus, Is there any way to display the dependencies?
<OscarL> For what you want, nothing that current pkgman provides. It doesn't keeps track of packages installed due to dependencies.
<OscarL> there are a couple of scripts that *might* help...
<Begasus> only way atm is to check the recipe I guess?
<Begasus> should use that some more to get some experience with it, mostly forget it :)
<OscarL> https://gist.github.com/OscarL/92d79e4c82ae5690a655bceba214a9d3 << not 100% accurate, but helps you find packages that are not direct dependencies from others you have installed. (DO NOT blindly uninstall all the ones it shows).
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<OscarL> Begasus: "pkgman search -i -r foobar" also comes in handy
<OscarL> "pkgman search -i -r llvm12", for example, indicates I can now just uninstall llvm12_x86_clang, yay!
<Begasus> schedulad for removal there
<Begasus> I don't have foobar installed?
<OscarL> but not llvm12_x86_libs :-/
<Begasus> llvm uses static libs
<OscarL> "foobar" was used just as an example.
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<Begasus> :P
<Begasus> morning Habbie!
<Begasus> ~> pkgman search -i -r plasmatube
<Begasus> No matching packages found.
<Begasus> doesn't show anything :P
<OscarL> that means "nothing requires plasmatube"
<OscarL> among the packages you have installed, at least.
<Begasus> bah, I already knew that! :P
<Begasus> inrecipe works well enough on that front :)
<Habbie> Begasus, morning! sorry about the noise :)
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<OscarL> pkgman is way faster for this, but yeah, inrecipe is handy too.
<OscarL> Begasus: I now have a "ginrecipe" that uses "git grep" instead of find. I like it because it only shows recipes actually in-tree, and not other garbage I might have around :-D
<Begasus> ah, so like for neochat I now have 9 reicpes, only the 23.* version is intree (at haikuports)
<Begasus> so it wouldn't include the others?
<OscarL> right
<Begasus> could be handy, although I still like to include those here when searching
<Begasus> even got one "inrecipekde" for a backup from an older repo
<OscarL> Begasus: that's why I have *both* "ir" and "gir" aliases now :-)
<Begasus> +1 :)
<Begasus> now wat whas I doing? ;)
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<Begasus> ah php7, looks like Debian uses static ssl library (crypto) for that
<Begasus> Gentoo doesn't provide it anymore
<gordonjcp> do people even do ssl "directly" any more?
<Begasus> no idea gordonjcp :)
<OscarL> as in... not by using libssl.so/libcrypto.so?
<Begasus> nothing intree uses cmd:ssl
<gordonjcp> OscarL: well you'd stick everything behind a proxy these days
<Begasus> ah, it's cmd:openssl
<gordonjcp> let that cope with terminating SSL or TLS
<OscarL> FWIW, there are at least 220 hits for "lib:libssl" on HaikuPorts.
<OscarL> some packages show for different versions, so... say... around 200 packages that need libssl.so.
<Begasus> hunt down lib:libcrypto also :)
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<OscarL> Begasus: 197 total hits (including the ones from the openssl recipes.
<OscarL> you might have one more than I. I removed it from minidlna :-P
<Begasus> posted a link yesterday with a list
<Begasus> list for devel:libssl that doesn't use " >= " https://bpa.st/TVW6G
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<OscarL> minidlna needs "gettext > 0.19"... but if I put that, or ">= 0.20", it fails to use gettext-0.22 :-(
<Begasus> the one for devel:libcrypto is shorter ;)
<OscarL> had to use >= 0.22. that sounds odd.
<OscarL> (also, had to use the package name, because the individual cmd:'s are "compat > 0" :-/)
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<Begasus> cmd's for gettext are not included when devel:libintl is declared anymore
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<Begasus> so you'd have to add them seperatly
<Begasus> biab
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<OscarL> Begasus: that's the issue, I can't added them by "cmd:" due to some incompatibility between 0.19 and 0.20
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<OscarL> anyway, resolved now, but still find it odd that >= 0.20 failed to find the proper solution: install the 0.22 version.
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<Begasus> OscarL, think at some point we should be cleaning some things up for the gettext packages also
<OscarL> +1
<Begasus> in the latest change for last version the cmd/libs/devel are seperated, that's not done on the older ones, so probably some conflict there
* OscarL *finally* has an "lgrep()" that works properly on 32 bits :-)
<Begasus> nice!
<Begasus> haven't used it there yet, but it's a pretty good tool!
<Begasus> same with hgrepall, nice addition :)
<Begasus> maybe they should be deault on a Haiku install ?
<Begasus> default*
<OscarL> my "bashrc" is getting out of hand :-)
<OscarL> I also have "hgrep_p", just for posix :-)
<OscarL> Begasus: fixed up lgrep(): https://bpa.st/4TZNK
<Begasus> +1 updating here too, thanks!
<OscarL> want a "download_hpkg()" ? :-D
<Begasus> same think can be done to hgrep(all) I guess too?
<Begasus> yes OscarL :)
<Begasus> just "installed" php7 to make a backup
<OscarL> the last one I extracted (stole) from some script from jessicah's cross-compiler repo.
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<Begasus> how do you use it OscarL? :)
<OscarL> Begasus: I plan to use that in a "proof-of-concept" patch for haikuporter (so it downloads deps instead of installing them)
<OscarL> you need to know the name of the package (as listed by pkgman)
<OscarL> sorry...
<OscarL> seems I forgot how to use it, lol (I *did* use it before, I swear! :-D)
<Begasus> download_hpkg php8 (nothing happens)
<Begasus> heh
<Anarchos> hello
<OscarL> yeah... maybe I pushed a broken version...
<OscarL> need to check back when I'm on 64 bits.
<OscarL> it was pretty simple. :-(
<Begasus> ok np :)
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<Begasus> k, php 7 backup done for both arch's
<janking> hi
<Begasus> hi janking
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<Begasus> k, libgit2 needs to wait untill buildmasters are updated, a few more that are obsolete or won't build left
<Begasus> a local rebuild for tuxmath crashed here, dropped hunting the issue down
<Begasus> maybe tackle mysql? :P
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<janking> hi
<Begasus> janking, third time "hi"?
<janking> :)
<OscarL> Begasus: found at least one issue with that "download_hpkg", you need to first install cmd:jq :-D
<Begasus> OscarL, no changes :P
<OscarL> yeah, that was *one* of the issues, I'll update the bpa.st
<Begasus> thnx :)
<Begasus> pulled mysql 9.0.1 ...
<OscarL> Begasus: please try with this one: https://bpa.st/raw/YMYUW (and then: "download_hpkg csound", for example, or "csound_x86" if in 32 bits)
<OscarL> (worked here on 32 bits at least :-D)
<Begasus> +1 works now :)
<Begasus> could be handy!
<Begasus> could a local uri be used there instead of the one from the depot? ;)
<OscarL> I aske that on the past on the forum, because I want a "LAN cache proxy" for .hpkg updates... was not much productive.
<OscarL> but augiedoggie gave me some pointers not long ago (albeit I haven't yet tried them).
<Begasus> ok, for now good enough :)
<OscarL> one could setup a "local" repository, and point pkgman to that instead of HaikuPorts, I guess, but to make it more transparent, I guess one needs to use a proper caching proxy... squid or something like that.
<OscarL> once I get my "server" (one of my old netbooks without screen) working properly... I'll give that a try.
<Begasus> multiple "rpc.h" files on the system ... mysql is confused I think :)
<OscarL> that should be the one from libevent under event2/rpc.h, right?
<OscarL> (only public rpc.h I have here at least under develop/headers)
<Begasus> need the one from tirpc :)
<OscarL> add "devel:libcurl", it might magically fix things like in minidlna! (damn thing keep failing to find libi3dtag without libcurl, LOL!)
<OscarL> I can't see why it gets confused :-(
<Begasus> no recipe, just doing a check in Terminal
<OscarL> I should too do more initial builds outside of haikuporter, and save me some troubles :-)
<Begasus> hence why I do this :)
<OscarL> mmm, comparing "configure.log" files... the one without libcurl somehow ends with "exec_prefix='NONE'", while the working one has "exec_prefix='$(prefix)'".
<Begasus> first succes :) -- Build files have been written to: /Opslag/wip/mysql-9.0.1/build
* OscarL hates autotools
<Begasus> config.log
<OscarL> that one.
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<OscarL> I have no clue why the conftest.c file it tries to link to libid3tag.so (as part of the ./configure step) only works if "devel:libcurl" is on the recipe.
<OscarL> for the record, the resulting /bin/minidlna does not links to libcurl in any way, nor does libid3tag.
<Begasus> no idea :)
<OscarL> lgrep shows the function it wants ("id3_file_open") IS there in libid3tag. That's why I was fixing lgrep() :-P
<OscarL> bloody config.log only saves the conftest.c file (and the "defines" used) when it fails, so I can't easily compare that way :-(
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<Begasus> stupid recompile with -fPIC ...
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<Anarchos> :)
<OscarL> I give up :-D. Will leave devel:libcurl there, with a note about "WAT?" (but at least will remove it from the REQUIRES)
<Begasus> ;)
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<OscarL> does access() always fails for directories in Haiku?
<OscarL> https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695299/functions/access.html <<< that says "access - determine accessibility of a file"
<OscarL> damn minidlna is using it for directories.
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<phschafft> 3.163 File
<OscarL> my bad.
<phschafft> An object that can be written to, or read from, or both. A file has certain attributes, including access permissions and type. File types include regular file, character special file, block special file, FIFO special file, symbolic link, socket, >>>and directory<<<. Other types of files may be supported by the implementation.
<Begasus> k, one down :)
<OscarL> had a old .patchset messing things up :-D
<Begasus> hunting down: error: could not convert '0' from 'int' to 'std::optional<_pthread_thread*>'
<phschafft> also:
<phschafft> 3.128 Directory
<phschafft> >>>A file<<< that contains directory entries. [...]
<phschafft> but thank you for making me look that up. it's good to know that there is this definition in the standard.
<OscarL> :-)
<OscarL> 8:00 AM here... no wonder I'm messing things up. Thanks phschafft :-)
<Begasus> time for coffee :)
<erysdren> so true
<erysdren> 6am here heh
<OscarL> note to self... /bin/minidlnad likes to create many directories under $whatever_you_setup/Media directory.
<Begasus> 1PM here
<OscarL> or not... damn it! I had those dirs from September 5... but 2022, LOL.
* OscarL goes for that coffee.
* phschafft just wrote some little code that generates HTML listings for character sets.
<OscarL> Hi erysdren. BTW... this "minidlna" I'm toying with... guess matches one of those "server-ish software" you talked about earlier :-)
<erysdren> what's dlna?
<OscarL> mix of DLNA + UPnP... some sort of media file server.
<erysdren> oh nice
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<OscarL> some routers (with USB port) used to have something similar.
<OscarL> and some TVs used to be able to play directly from that if on the same network.
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<OscarL> LOL, started the "minidlnad" server... already got a client on the same network (neighbour's TV, I presume :-D)
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<erysdren> heh, nice
<OscarL> main router on the LAN also talks with this server :-)
<OscarL> seems "functional" enough for me to open a PR :-P
<OscarL> I should try to RickRoll them at some point :-D
<OscarL> "<modelDescription>MiniDLNA on Haiku</modelDescription>" <<< nice.
<Begasus> +1 OscarL!
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<OscarL> :-) PR open, now some coffee, and then bed :-)
<Begasus> stupid tirpc ... /Opslag/wip/mysql-9.0.1/build/plugin/group_replication/libmysqlgcs/xdr_gen/xcom_vp.h:9:10: fatal error: rpc/rpc.h: No such file or directory
<Begasus> thanks, cu OscarL :)
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<OscarL> Begasus: for reference, the always helpful ArchWiki has a page on MiniDLNA (now "ReadyMedia"): https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ReadyMedia
<Begasus> think I read about it OscarL :)
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<Begasus> dropping trying to build that bugger for now :) /Opslag/wip/mysql-9.0.1/router/src/harness/src/stdx/io/file_handle.cc:287:2: error: #error unsupported OS
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<OscarL> should drop the old recipe, and let someone that want mysql really, really bad, deal with a new recipe.
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<OscarL> I heard that all the cool kids use postgres, anyway :-)
<OscarL> *postgresql
<Begasus> tackled that already ;)
<phschafft> there is just no reason not to use pq.
<phschafft> It's like you get a trolley for 100 money units but you could also have that space ship that can also fly under water and fit in any parking lot for 99.99 money units.
<Begasus> not using either ;)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/1dc3557423f8...ba1ee3d5baf6
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL ba1ee3d - minidlna: fix build, clean up dependencies, enable recipe. (#11060)
<OscarL> I only had to setup an SQL server once (can't even recall for what thing at the office). MySQL was a PITA, postgresql a breeze. And then all I've ever read matches phschafft's comment.
<OscarL> cp-850, my old friend.
<Begasus> k, checking one more in the list, then I'm done :P
<OscarL> cool, 64 bits build of minidlna went fine :-)
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<phschafft> OscarL: only included it for reference.
<dovsienko> OscarL: when I was deciding which one to learn (Postgres or MySQL) around 1999, for me at the time the deciding factor was that MySQL user privileges were entirely a matter of an internal SQL table, and in Postgres they were also a matter of the OS users and permissions
<OscarL> phschafft: used 850 a lot on my DOS days :-)
<phschafft> OscarL: I mean it was likely all you had.
<phschafft> and we all wanted some nice drawing chracters and stuff.
<dovsienko> I do not know if/when Postgres removed the local filesystem out of the problem space, but MySQL and subsequently MariaDB have worked well for me
<phschafft> make batch jobs look real cool. ;)
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<phschafft> dovsienko: I feel like that is more a missunderstanding. however I cannot tell you about 'the early days'.
<OscarL> 437 was default for most things, printers, etc, I had to setup 850 as needed.
<phschafft> I've been with Postgres since like 2005, and it always had a proper way to have OS independent permissions.
<Habbie> i used postgres in 1999, while it could use socket peer ids, the filesystem never came into it
<Habbie> and most people misconfigured it to actually trust the username the client sent instead anyway
<phschafft> yet it's so much nicer to just use system users as it makes it much easier to admin.
<Habbie> it's a double edged sword
<Habbie> system users do no good for shared hosting without per-vhost uids
<Habbie> also nothing for users on other systems
<phschafft> Habbie: naturally. but that is just one use cases. and I must say, if you provide hosting to others it's part of your job descriptiopn to know abput those things.
<Habbie> absolutely
<phschafft> my point is just that postgresql offered both since I'm using it.
<phschafft> so you can use what you need.
<phschafft> OscarL: hm.
<Habbie> 437 is what PCs had before codepages existed
<OscarL> right
<Habbie> 850 was very popular once we had codepages though
<OscarL> loved usint its box-drawing chars while doing dBase3+ forms :-D /me starting to feel the years piling up.
<Habbie> 850 keeps the lines for boxes :)
<OscarL> *dBaseIII Plus
<Begasus> k, dropping that one too :P
<phschafft> my terminal supports MCS and SG. so I printed the table for them. just to find out that I have that Unicode support on top so I need the unicode code points to access the characters. ;)
<phschafft> so I made my own list.
<Habbie> hehe
<phschafft> it's really hard to find a list that lists the characters for one character set while giving you the unicode code point! ;)
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<OscarL> https://www.aivosto.com/articles/charsets-codepages-dos.html <<< this brings back some memories.
<OscarL> had to use 860 *once* to print a txt :-)
<Habbie> my dinner has "ingrediÛnts" or something
<Habbie> it keeps happening
<OscarL> heh
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<OscarL> Man, now I'm feeling nostalgic, and missing my Citizen GSX-190 dot matrix printer :-(
<OscarL> any way... time for bed. Have a good day dovsienko, Habbie, phschafft, Begasus!
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/ba1ee3d5baf6...2a84f95585a6
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 2a84f95 - tellico, bump version (#11061)
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<phschafft> so, with the new reference printed out it worked very nicely. :)
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<Coldfirex> QEMU 9.1 released, fun
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<JulesEnriquez[m]> Just as a refresher, how many libcs does Haiku have?
<JulesEnriquez[m]> glibc and libroot, right?
<janking> h
<Coldfirex> @Pulkomandy: Worth it to check for bios updates and run a memory test on the machine youve been getting MCEs?
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<waddlesplash> JulesEnriquez[m]: no, just libroot
<waddlesplash> we have some glibc code as part of libroot
<JulesEnriquez[m]> Ah ok, thanks!
<JulesEnriquez[m]> So what's libbsd for?
<Habbie> same as on Debian i bet? provide bsd-specific lib functions?
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<augiedoggie> libbsd and libgnu are for extensions/functions that aren't part of the POSIX spec
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/2a84f95585a6...dd6cc9cd3e8b
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus dd6cc9c - php, drop php7, not compatible with openssl3 (#11059)
<Begasus> ah :)
<Begasus> waddlesplash, got one almost up for ctags, could use some checking (doing a check build on 32bit atm)
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev58074] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=f6a5a98701f2+%5Ef060b7ece83b
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] f6a5a98701f2 - HaikuDepot: Fix Text Colors
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev58075] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=0f90b3472200+%5Ef6a5a98701f2
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 0f90b3472200 - BFS: Terminology cleanup in BlockAllocator.
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] b9addf62e957 - virtio: Allocate the same entry count for indirect descriptors.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 171cfa834d2f - kernel/util: Add a MutexTryLocker AutoLock variant.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] b6fcc22fd156 - virtio_block: Use MutexTryLocker in do_io callback.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 9afed349e350 - virtio_block: Check return value of queue_request_v call.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 49271f238373 - virtio_scsi: Check return value of queue_request_v call.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 16b96bccec64 - kernel: Fix build of IORequest with tracing enabled.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] a6a15d5e711c - virtio_rng: Use local ConditionVariableEntry.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] b90dc7a4f3bc - virtio: Explicitly request queue sizes where needed.
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] c27e4aff72e4 - kernel: link with orphan sections warning
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 3 commits to master [hrev58078] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=5333610f85f0+%5Ec27e4aff72e4
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 6cb94b77be34 - package_daemon: Style fixes (100 char) related to status window colors
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 325c28a8ae5f - package_daemon: Use document colors on problem and results window
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 5333610f85f0 - Interface Kit: Adopt parent colors on checkboxes and radio buttons
<dovsienko> I wonder how difficult would it be to make my terminal change its title after I log into Haiku over SSH
<Habbie> many "fancy prompts" can do that
<Habbie> it involves a bit of VT100/ANSI in your PS1 or PROMPT_COMMAND or similar
<dovsienko> a few other OSes also have this issue
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<augiedoggie> hm, quicklaunch is painfully slow for me now
<augiedoggie> like the queries are taking a minute for each letter that i type
<zdykstra> dovsienko: it's pretty easy, just check for the various SSH_ environment variables as the key to determine if the prompt should change
<dovsienko> maybe it is one of those little jobs that have to wait until someone gets annoyed enough to sort it
<Habbie> zdykstra, or just send username@hostname always - my debian machine does it locally too
<milek7> oanderso[m]: I posted comments on arm64 patches
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<Coldfirex> Are all current changes going into Beta 5 (unreleased) atm, or do we still have a nightlies distinction?
<nipos> beta5 has been moved to a new branch already,so stuff that gets merged into master is only going into the nightlies.
<Coldfirex> 10-4 thanks
<nipos> You can see master/nightly changes here https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/ and Beta5 changes here: https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?h=r1beta5
<Begasus> closing down here
<Begasus> cu peeps!
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<Coldfirex> missed that dropdown for that. appreciate it
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<dovsienko> is there a port with a simple Markdown editor/viewer that does not crash whilst destroying my file and does not upload the text to a 3rd-party web site?
<dovsienko> (on Linux I tried a few with mixed experiences, hence the question)
<augiedoggie> emacs :P
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<HaikuUser2> hi
<augiedoggie> hello
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<zdykstra> dovsienko: which one(s) are crashing for you?
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<dovsienko> zdykstra: I do not remember, but "ghostwriter" looks like one of those I tried and got disappointed
<dovsienko> (on Linux)
<dovsienko> never mind, I can get the job done using vim/Pe
<zdykstra> that's what I was going to suggest if it's available for Haiku - it's worked well for me on Linux
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<waddlesplash> don't we have CuteMarkEd or something like that?
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<DigitalBox98> Testing :)
<DigitalBox98> Has anyone alrady created a receipe to create a new package for Haiku ?
<dovsienko> hmmmm, cutemarked does headers and lists fine, but hyperlinks and preformatted text are out of shape
<dovsienko> one reason why Markdown is not a good format is that a Markdown specification does not exist, so one cannot reason about this or that piece of software not working according to the spec
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<dovsienko> (the other, of course, being the messed up bold and italics)
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<janking> h
<nosycat> Hi!
<Anarchos> hello
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 2 commits to master [hrev58079] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=3cbff9d88499+%5E5333610f85f0
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 42df4f968999 - Interface Kit: Adopt parent colors on controls
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 3cbff9d88499 - BButton: Tint button background color lighter on dark
<waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: my checkbox text still looks misaligned
<waddlesplash> after your change yesterday
<Skipp_OSX> yeah they are, nothing changed there. I did set the alignment but it didn't make any difference.
<waddlesplash> ah
<Skipp_OSX> ok I'm struggling here because our colors are messed up and idk how to fix it.
<waddlesplash> ?
<Skipp_OSX> we only use B_CONTROL_BACKGROUND_COLOR and TEXT_COLOR on buttons... which I guess is fine but we also tint the background of the button to match panel color, so what's the point?
<waddlesplash> we do?
<waddlesplash> lol
<waddlesplash> shouldn't tabs also use CONTROL_BACKGROUND and TEXT?
<waddlesplash> or are they not "controls"
<Skipp_OSX> So I fixed the tint, but, I did the math and it changes the background color from 245 (B_CONTROL_BACKGROUND_COLOR) to 216 (B_PANEL_BACKGROUND_COLOR) https://review.haiku-os.org/c/haiku/+/8236/1/src/kits/interface/Button.cpp
<Skipp_OSX> as far as I can tell... control colors are for the INSIDE of controls, panel for the outside, well actually should be view on the outside since not always panel.
<Skipp_OSX> so for a button the control color is the inside the button, anything outside the button would be document or panel
<Skipp_OSX> for checkbox and radio button it is for inside the checkbox or radio button, but the label is not control color
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<waddlesplash> sounds like we should adjust the color defaults or just get rid of them entirely
<Skipp_OSX> from previous code SetLowUIColor(B_CONTROL_BACKGROUND_COLOR, 1.115); becomes 2 - 1.115 = 0.885. 0.885 x 245 = 216.825 (close enough not really actually)
<Skipp_OSX> but intended to be 216 which is panel background color which makes using control color here kind of silly
<waddlesplash> when was CONTROL introduced and why?
<waddlesplash> oh
<Skipp_OSX> pre-Haiku, in BeOS somehow, don't know
<waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: is the untinted CONTROL color equivalent to the BeOS R5 button color?
<waddlesplash> because BeOS definitely had lighter buttons
<Skipp_OSX> yes probably 245
<waddlesplash> well in that case, we should just change our CONTROL color to be the PANEL color
<waddlesplash> and not tint it at all
<waddlesplash> but leave it there so it can be customized
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<botifico> [haiku/website] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/49a58b65da01...6dc52e5e0e66
<botifico> [haiku/website] n0toose 6dc52e5 - Organized Haiku Guides
<oanderso[m]> milek7: I’m AFK for several days but will look at it when I’m back. Thank you for reviewing them!
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<Anarchos> is it normal to find many leaks in Haiku applications with leak_analyzer ?
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<Skipp_OSX> BeOS buttons are 232 so a bit lighter than even control background
<phschafft> even more colour discussions?...
<Skipp_OSX> yeah, trying to button up bugs for r1b5
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<phschafft> erysdren:
<phschafft> upsi.
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<Skipp_OSX> ok well you already merged so nvm
<Skipp_OSX> my compromise solution was to only tint the button if view color was panel background color but in practice that doesn't matter we always use buttons on panel background color.
<Coldfirex> @Anarchos LeakSanitizer?
<Anarchos> Coldfirex leak_analyser.sh
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<Coldfirex> It might be. I dont know if many have looked at that in a bit: https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/zardshard/2023-05-23_how_to_find_memory_leaks/
<Anarchos> yes
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<Anarchos> it seems the texlives package have been reorganized ?
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 20d9f6e4083b - packagefs: Use ClassCache for PackageSymlink too.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 5331db0abde3 - packagefs: PackageNode UID/GID are never actually set.
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<jmairboeck> Anarchos: I split up all the tools from texlive_core which have a different "upstream" into separate packages, so if you need anything like that, you need to install them separately now.
<jmairboeck> otherwise, nothing should have changed recently.
<Anarchos> jmairboeck i have : latex warning: kpathsea: configuration file texmf.cnf not found in these directories: /packages/texlive_core-2024.2-1/.self/data/texlive/texmf-dist/web2c:/boot/system/non-packaged/data/texmf-dist/web2c:/boot/home/config/settings/texmf-dist/web2c.
<Anarchos> but it is locatex in /boot/system/data/texmf-dist/web2c/texmf.cnf
<Anarchos> please, don't translate function names in the scientific Deskcalc :)
<jmairboeck> ah, it could be that it is confused by the /packages path, but if you have the current texlive_core installed that shouldn't be a problem. At least I thought that ...
<Anarchos> jmairboeck i only have texlive_core, but maybe they are config files from older install ?
<jmairboeck> I'll take a look this weekend if I can reproduce it an maybe fix it
<jmairboeck> could be Anarchos
<Anarchos> jmairboeck may i help you ?
<jmairboeck> the copy in data/texlive is in the "texlive" base package
<jmairboeck> the non-core one
<jmairboeck> so if you are missing that, that will be a problem
<jmairboeck> texlive_core only contains the binaries, no complete tex installation
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<Anarchos> ok
<jmairboeck> note that on 64 bit there is only the 2023 version available in the depot, because 2024 failed to build
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<jmairboeck> I have to go now, I'll read the logs tomorrow, if you have any more problems. Good night!
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<Anarchos> jmairboeck i installed texlive and texlive_core.
<Anarchos> jmairboeck latex -interaction=batchmode -jobname=Student "\documentclass[fleqn]{article}\usepackage{amssymb,amsmath,bm,color}\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}\begin{document}\pagestyle{empty}\mathindent0cm\parindent0cm a \end{document}"
<Anarchos> jmairboeck still exhibits the problem
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<janking> good night all.
<erysdren> night
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