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<Peppersawce>
Patch that in :)
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<OscarL>
"The host tools cannot be build with a legacy version of GCC" / "Please specify a more modern compiler in the CC environ."... and that is just after I re-run .configure following a failed build.
<OscarL>
why can't it just default to CC=gcc-x86 when running Haiku 32 bits?
<OscarL>
"it's easy enough to specify manually.", bit of an annoyance IMO.
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<OscarL>
Skipp_OSX: seems like 8374 is not enough to get rid of my Tracker crashes (on 32 bits at least) :-(. Added a comment on Gerrit.
<Skipp_OSX>
hrumpt
<Skipp_OSX>
there are a number of reasons for those crashes I mean the menu system is convoluted but it should at least mitigate somewhat
<OscarL>
wish I could help more, but I'm unable to hit the crash when running with libroot_debug.so.
<OscarL>
Skipp_OSX: FWIW, that change seemed to really help on 64 bits at least.
<Skipp_OSX>
I don't understand what the difference could be with 32-bit other than maybe frequency
<OscarL>
just making clear that I appreciate your work, and don't mean to always just complain (which I do a lot :-D)
<Skipp_OSX>
well my work is currently stonewalled stuck in Gerrit
<Skipp_OSX>
I shall continue to add patches on top
<OscarL>
maybe when the pile is high enough, it will collapse into master :-P
<AlienSoldier>
OscarL i did not notice any particular tracker crash on 32 bit, is this with a special event?
<OscarL>
I keep crashing Tracker on the regular by just opening context menus.
<OscarL>
became worse on beta5/nightlies for me.
<AlienSoldier>
context menu?
<OscarL>
"Right-click menu"
<OscarL>
not even using the drill-down ones.
<AlienSoldier>
ok, i don't have that, it is weird.
<AlienSoldier>
could you have corruption or is it doing it with fresh instal?
<OscarL>
same issue in two different installs, but are updates one not fresh (the installs I use for HaikuPorts work)
<OscarL>
.report most of the time mentions "state: Call (getNumAvailable() == 0)", but got a "state: Call (getNumAvailable() > getNumBlocks())" yesterday for the first time.
<OscarL>
sorry, make that ">" a "<" instead.
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<AlienSoldier>
OscarL could it be somekind of mismatch file number-inode at the file system level? Did you run a checkbfs?
<OscarL>
I run checkfs /boot regularly, last time earier today.
<AlienSoldier>
weird that i get nothing, it is not something that should be hardware dependent.
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<AlienSoldier>
do you use particular font or exotic characters in file names?
<OscarL>
can be timing dependent, I pressume. My hardware is slow.
<AlienSoldier>
yes, could be timming
<AlienSoldier>
mine is slow too that said.
<OscarL>
it doesn't matter which file name, if any, most of the time I'm not even right clicking files.
<MonniTheCat>
I found old ticket that suggested double free somewhere...
<MonniTheCat>
That would also explain why debug build doesn't crash the same way as it uses different code path...
<OscarL>
I'm a bug magnet.
<MonniTheCat>
Somebody HAS to find the hardest-to-find bugs... Heap corruption usually is time sensitive...
<MonniTheCat>
I remember when few years ago people argued if a pointer needs to be set to NULL after deleting it... Some argued that it is set to NULL automatically and some said it will not be set automatically...
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<thowe>
Yay! I ordered a Haiku shirt. Gonna wear it to the super boring industry event coming up.
<MonniTheCat>
I used to have Haiku baseball cap... I used it so much that sun turned it yellow...
<thowe>
That's just a classy patina
<Monni>
I didn't throw it away... It used to be originally white.... White is quite sensitive colour...
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<Monni>
"have" as in wearing it outside home almost every day in the summer...
<MonniTheCat>
Only 1408 unread messages... Maybe I need to check that online account even less often...
<augiedoggie>
you could try removing the '/boot/home/config/settings/System Audio Mixer' file
<MonniTheCat>
When something crash with NULL pointer access, there is always possibility to detect it and obviously add workaround...
<Halian|Haiku>
augiedoggie: now media_addon_server starts without issue, but there are no audio in- or outputs, even though I ahve my headphones plugged into the rear audio jack and a USB mic plugged in. I suspect a reboot might change that, though.
<Halian|Haiku>
*have
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<Halian|Haiku>
augiedoggie: nope, still no audio in- or outputs in the Media prefpane after rebooting o_O
<augiedoggie>
i'm not sure if usb microphones work in haiku
<Halian|Haiku>
That aside, it no longer sees my headphones plugged into the moterhboard's rear headphone jack
<Halian|Haiku>
or the computer's front audio jack
<Halian|Haiku>
That leaves me without audio, as neither of my other options (a headphone jack on the back of the microphone, or one on my primary monitor) are working under Haiku right now, either
<Halian|Haiku>
...wait, OSS. heck
* Halian|Haiku
kickself
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<Halian|Haiku>
After uninstalling OSS and rebooting, front audio still doesn't work, but rear does
<augiedoggie>
i've had issues with certain jacks until i played with the settings
<augiedoggie>
at least it's not crashing for you now :P
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<Halian|Haiku>
@.@
<Skipp_OSX>
I'm looking at the code and it looks fine, we could add a checksum
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<Halian|Haiku>
ISTR hearing about modern AMD GPU drivers for Haiku, but the ones I found were last updated a year ago and don't compile under beta5
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<Halian|Haiku>
Unrelated: The version of fish offered in HaikuPorts is out of date
<MonniTheCat>
I don't think there is enough people to keep the recipes on HaikuPorts up-to-date...
<MonniTheCat>
OscarL: Gotta report those accounts and hope GitHub removes them...
<OscarL>
Reported that "SagarChandra07" bot, but usually they get taken down faster if multiple people report them Halian|Haiku.
<OscarL>
MonniTheCat: yeah, did that several times already.
<Halian|Haiku>
OscarL: this is the first I've seen or heard of such a thing
<Halian|Haiku>
Fucking bots
<Halian|Haiku>
augiedoggie: can confirm; it likes to freeze randomly, Ctrl-C clears the window (and freezes fish!) instead of terminating the process, and I can't install oh-my-fish or fisher
<OscarL>
github has taken at least 2 of the 3 that I have reported (before this new one).
<OscarL>
Still they allow some weird bot accounts like https://github.com/eemailme to keep running for some reason.
<Halian|Haiku>
OscarL: reported the one that responded to me
<OscarL>
+1
<MonniTheCat>
OscarL: I try to report bot accounts spamming when I see them...
<OscarL>
I got suspicious of that "eemailme" bot because... who in their right mind would try to follow *me*?
<MonniTheCat>
OscarL: I do crazy things but even I'm not following you...
<Halian|Haiku>
MonniTheCat: is something wrong?
<OscarL>
see, you're still not completely lost MonniTheCat!
* Halian|Haiku
opened an issue on HaikuPorts' GitHub page about fish
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<MonniTheCat>
Halian|Haiku: Wrong in what?
<Halian|Haiku>
MonniTheCat: you end every sentence with an ellipsis, afs if you're annoyed by something
<Halian|Haiku>
*ass
<Halian|Haiku>
**as
<Halian|Haiku>
I can't type today x_x
<MonniTheCat>
Halian|Haiku: I follow people usually if they work on something interesting...
<OscarL>
I learn about that "ellipsis means annoyance for some people" just a couple days ago. Never heard of that before... :-P
<Halian|Haiku>
-_-
<OscarL>
*learnt (I can't even English)
<MonniTheCat>
OscarL: For "normal" people it just means the rest of the sentence is not important enough to write aloud...
<OscarL>
learned? why can't you be more regular English, why?
<Halian|Haiku>
MonniTheCat: false
<OscarL>
MonniTheCat: yeah... I tend to use it (and see it used) as just a pause, but in text, or to signal that more text will follow.
<MonniTheCat>
People who use Twitter/X, it just means the text is too long ;)
<Halian|Haiku>
>Using Twitter in 2024
<MonniTheCat>
Some people refuse to call it X... That name is too ambiguous...
<OscarL>
dunno about twitter, but my usage is tainted by my English not being native, self-taught, and just using customs from my native language.
<Halian|Haiku>
MonniTheCat: calling it that also gives the muskrat power
<MonniTheCat>
I worked several months for Argentine exchange even though I did never study Spanish in school...
<augiedoggie>
i've seen ExTwitter a few times
<OscarL>
"xhitter" gave me a chuckle the first time I saw it.
<OscarL>
MonniTheCat: hope you got paid in something other than our ever deprecating Pesos :-)
<MonniTheCat>
Similar to "Artist formerly known as..." ... People remember the old name better...
<MonniTheCat>
OscarL: Yup... Emptied their Ethereum wallets ;)
<Halian|Haiku>
>Cryptoshit
<MonniTheCat>
USD and Argentine Peso are worthless here...
<OscarL>
Argentina Pesos are wortheless here too! /me goes to cry on the corner.
<Halian|Haiku>
Hrm, the copy status window shrunk itself to like half a line of text in height and there's no resize handle
<MonniTheCat>
Even real value of EUR dropped about 50% in last year...
* Halian|Haiku
wishes there was a browser on Haiku that could use uBlock Origin
<Halian|Haiku>
s/could use/supports/
<MonniTheCat>
I'm surprised nobody has tried to build Chromium-based browser on Haiku recently...
<Halian|Haiku>
Same, or even better Firefox or a derivative thereof
<OscarL>
isn't qtwebengine based on blink or something?
<Halian|Haiku>
20240929|001418 <Halian|Haiku> Hrm, the copy status window shrunk itself to like half a line of text in height and there's no resize handle <- Is there a way to fix this other than "figure out a way to abort the copy and try it again"?
<MonniTheCat>
Back in when I started using Haiku, people were using Firefox on Haiku...
<Halian|Haiku>
OscarL: that doesn't necessarily mean QTWebEngine-based browsers support Chrome extensions :(
<OscarL>
never had that bug happen to me Halian|Haiku, so no idea, sorry.
<Halian|Haiku>
Blah
<Halian|Haiku>
MonniTheCat: would that those people had kept Firefox' Haiku port updated so we wouldn't have to ... about it
<OscarL>
I was aiming more to the "chromium based" comment.
<Halian|Haiku>
OscarL: that doesn't necessarily mean QTWebEngine-based browsers support Chrome extensions :(
<MonniTheCat>
Halian|Haiku: Last post about Firefox on Haiku I saw was from about month ago...
<Halian|Haiku>
I'm sorry I can't magically make it happen myself >_+>
<MonniTheCat>
Haiku and BeOS are nothing like most operating systems... So a lot of code needs to be either ported or rewritten...
<MonniTheCat>
Because of the compatibility layer(s), Haiku is remotely compatible with FreeBSD, but a lot of stuff is still unimplemented...
<MonniTheCat>
That however excludes disk I/O as far as I know...
<OscarL>
I commend kenz's willingness to at least attempt to tackle such beast. Hope he doesn't gets too burn out.
<MonniTheCat>
Some people like using Haiku, because it isn't as bloated as Linux or Windows... Even though Haiku is still missing a lot of drivers, it has quite a lot of unique applications...
<OscarL>
yeah... I really miss the equivalent of Linux' acpi_cpufreq, could really use that one to keep the temps (and power bill) in check :-)
<MonniTheCat>
I've tried to count the people still working on kernel and drivers, but a lot of people have left since I worked on the drivers...
<OscarL>
I should be able to (at some point) write an equivalent to PhenomMSRTweaker, so I can finally undervolt on Haiku, but a full cpufreq scalling seems just out of reach of my skills and focus :-(
<Halian|Haiku>
I would love to have hardware acceleration and multi-monitor capability in Haiku
<MonniTheCat>
I haven't read much about ACPI stuff in recent years...
<OscarL>
MonniTheCat: my kernel-mode drivers are too simple to really count among those people you talk about :-)
<MonniTheCat>
OscarL: The trend nowadays is to just write drivers in userland... Not much chance throwing to KDL or anything like that...
<OscarL>
yeah, for my SAA713x drivers, my original intention was to use something like the /dev/poke driver to set things up, but then do most of thigs from userspace
<MonniTheCat>
One day I want to just boot Haiku on modern PC instead of running it in Hyper-V version 1 virtual machine...
<OscarL>
/dev/misc/poke (I should know better where it resides in the /dev/ tree :-P)
<arraybolt3>
I've considered the (probably silly) idea of making a minimalistic Linux distro that's just a hypervisor to run Haiku and provide some fancy features to Haiku
<arraybolt3>
so basically just a type-1 hypervisor that Haiku would run on and could send commands to for doing things like making other VMs within Haiku
<MonniTheCat>
I tried running few operating systems on Linux running inside Hyper-V version 2... Version 2 allows hardware redirection...
<OscarL>
arraybolt3: sounds like a more feasible approach than good old Cosmoe or BlueEyedOS :-)
<arraybolt3>
didn't know either of those existed, neat
<arraybolt3>
(er, used to exist)
<arraybolt3>
anyway it seems like it could get Haiku "out there" on "physical hardware" a bit better, although it is kind of cheating
<MonniTheCat>
running Haiku on Linux kernel pretty much meant it could reuse Linux drivers, but it wouldn't be the same as running Haiku on a microkernel with own drivers...
<arraybolt3>
right. It wouldn't be the same. But, it would get it "out there" maybe. (Then again Haiku has pretty good hardware support, only lacking things like accelerated graphics or esoteric drivers.)
<MonniTheCat>
32-bit Haiku is able to run a lot of old BeoS applications, except the ones accessing private undocumented functions...
* Halian|Haiku
grumbles at Windows for being case-insensitive
<OscarL>
randome thought: wish the hda driver didn't tried by default to use a 24 bits, 196 kHz, and used more "sane" 16bits 44.1/48 KHz instead.
<MonniTheCat>
OscarL: That wouldn't be HDA anymore then...
<OscarL>
LFA, then.
<MonniTheCat>
Would be same as using old SoundBlaster ISA card on modern PC with ISA -> PCI-E converter ;)
<OscarL>
using 24 bits, 196 KHz for audio *listening* is pretty idiotic.
<OscarL>
like wanting a monitor with a gamut from infrared to X-rays.
<MonniTheCat>
Next level of porn... X-ray images of celebrities...
<OscarL>
for audio editing, sure, pretty please, use all the bits and bandwidth you can!, but then down mix, man...
<OscarL>
k, time to see how hard is to build Python 3.13 in "GIL-free" version (or how broken the results will be :-D)
<MonniTheCat>
There used to be a joke about Hi-Fi CD players, where you could hear the CD spinning in analog output ;)
<Halian|Haiku>
LOL
* Halian|Haiku
hrms at the program he was compiling, which was also why he was grumbling at Windows
<MonniTheCat>
I stopped upgrading Python at 3.8 ... The more recent versions broke things too much...
<Halian|Haiku>
MonniTheCat: which things? and how did subsequent versions break them? /gen
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<OscarL>
3.13.0's REPL at least is looking pretty sweet in comparison the previous ones.
<MonniTheCat>
Halian|Haiku: There was an issue with dependency creating for some packages in at least 3.9 and 3.10...
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<OscarL>
Surely I had *nothing* to do with that, no Sir! /me hides, just in case.
<Halian|Haiku>
Oof
<OscarL>
I swear I just wanted to use pyserial to test some things for my serial_mouse driver... how/why I ended up doing the Python recipes updates?... no clue.
<OscarL>
:-P
<MonniTheCat>
One thing leads to another and then there is gigabytes of new packages ;)
<OscarL>
right... and at some point, like 5 different versions for some packages (2.7, 3.7, 3.8, 3.9 and 3.10) :-/
<MonniTheCat>
I have one application that is 1.7 MB binary, but the dependencies are about 20 GB ;)
<Halian|Haiku>
MonniTheCat: yikes
<OscarL>
Halian|Haiku: re Python... it moves way faster than we do, sometimes it deprecates things that break old versions of packages, and we don't have enough manpower to keep everything up-to-date.
<Halian|Haiku>
Ahh :/
<Halian|Haiku>
MonniTheCat: also, I'm reminded of the community decompilation of Pokémon Emerald, which is 171 MB... the game ROM is 16 MB :D
<OscarL>
also... seems like even my mother uses Python for something... but each project uses X version of Y library that hasn't been updated in Z years.
<OscarL>
trying to come up with a set of packages that makes most things work... can be a challenge.
<MonniTheCat>
One of the reasons I'm still using Ubuntu 18.04 at work... Things just work, because it only receives security updates, no new versions for any packages...
<OscarL>
tried to move most things into 3.10 at least... still have some 3.9 left-overs. At least we got rid of 2.7.
<MonniTheCat>
Can't use Ubuntu on all my hardware anymore as they removed the 16.04 repositories and that's the last release that support some old hardware...
<MonniTheCat>
So now I use Debian 13 instead... Still has 32-bit version even though it can only use 1 core even with SMP kernel...
<Halian|Haiku>
20240929|005219 * Halian|Haiku hrms at the program he was compiling, which was also why he was grumbling at Windows <- apparently it's failing to find dates and times when parsing its files
<Halian|Haiku>
(the program in question being Magic Set Editor, which is for making custom cards for trading card games)
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<Begasus>
g'morning peeps
<Monni>
Good morning Begasus
<Halian|Haiku>
Begasus: mroign </late>
<Begasus>
G'morning Monni Halian|Haiku
<Begasus>
or g'evening Halian|Haiku :)
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<Begasus[m]>
biab, grabbing some backups
<Halian|Haiku>
It's 01:52 here, so morning :P
<Monni>
08:52 here ;)
<OscarL>
KDL time here :-( also: 02:55.
<Monni>
I don't need to download big Git repositories today, so hopefully I can avoid KDL before I need to leave to grocery shop...
<Halian|Haiku>
OscarL: :(
<OscarL>
Halian|Haiku: tends to happen from time to time with the buggy VBox driver I still try to use (for clipboard integration), oh well.
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<Begasus[m]>
Hi OscarL
<OscarL>
Hello there Begasus[m]!
<OscarL>
sorry to hear you still can't boot again :-(
<Begasus[m]>
Trying to see if I can recover some of the recipes from the working partition, booting on and off in between (Neon to the resue)
<Begasus[m]>
yeah :'(
<Halian|Haiku>
I got R1/beta5 installed on my AMD desktop today :D
<Halian|Haiku>
I'm happy that I no longer need to use fail-safe video drivers, though of course I do wish for hardware acceleration and dual-monitor :P
<Begasus[m]>
Nice Halian|Haiku
<Begasus[m]>
At this moment I would be glad to have my native install back up and running
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* Halian|Haiku
sends good vibes
* Halian|Haiku
also wonders where one can find additional decorators and ControlLooks
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: wonder what the hell happened with your boot. But then I remember the one half-netbook that worked almost perfectly for one day (after a couple of weeks of trying), and next day... woudln't work right ever again :-/
<Begasus[m]>
Oscar-L if only I had "one" successful boot it would be enough to get in installed again (I think)
<Begasus[m]>
k, rebooting ...
<OscarL>
right, your machine at least was pretty stable (not like this nightmerish Atom N2600 one).
<botifico>
[haiku/website] humdingerb 73680f0 - Fix BeSly repo link on community software page
<Halian|Haiku>
Lookahead typing for fonts would be nice
<Halian|Haiku>
Or even just being able to page up/down through the list
<Halian|Haiku>
...nevermind, I just found that o.o
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<Begasus_64>
not the same, but alive at least for now :)
<Begasus_64>
once things are backup'd guess I should push the changes to a repo, even if still wip
<Begasus_64>
rufus told me earlier the anyboot iso isn't iso compatible, so it needed to use dd to write to usb
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<OscarL>
Begasus_64: it means it can't just copy the .iso file into the drive as it can do with some Windows isos, at least, and that it will have to write it in "raw mode".
<OscarL>
makes sense.
<PulkoMandy>
switching between chatrooms in Renga seems broken. I guess some listview change behavior somewhat recently?
<OscarL>
Begasus_64: it says that the iso is ISOHybrid, but "not compatible with the ISO/File write mode" (translated from Spanish, so wording might not match the English message)
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<Halian|Haiku>
Stupid question: how do I escape the (non-kernel) full-screen debugger? It shows up sometimes when I exit a full-screen YouTube video in either Falkon or Dooble, and I can't figure out how to exit it without hard resetting the computer.
<OscarL>
no idea what full-screen debugger you mean. If its something like the KDL... try "cont" (for continue) and ENTER?
<phschafft>
Good morning.
<Halian|Haiku>
OscarL: will do
<Halian|Haiku>
phschafft: morning
* phschafft
gets his cookie jar and starts the day by refilling the cookie bowl.
* Halian|Haiku
noms one (1) cookie
<OscarL>
morning phschafft.
<phschafft>
:))
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<Halian>
OscarL: unfortunately, I can type in that non-kernel debugger, but pressing Enter does nothing
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<humdinger>
morning!
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<OscarL>
no idea Halian. Never seen any "non-kernel debugger" other than Debugger, and that's never full screen for me. Take a screenshot next time, because I'm really curious about what your actually getting.
<humdinger>
sounds like an app_server crash
<OscarL>
good morning humdinger.
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<humdinger>
no turning back from that...
<humdinger>
*coming
<OscarL>
ah... good old consoled?
<humdinger>
white screen of snowy death
<humdinger>
btw, OscarL, I recently saw in the logs that you wanted to sort debug reports on the Desktop.
<humdinger>
I bet "Filer" could help there.
<humdinger>
It can monitor the Desktop and move stuff into folders from there
<OscarL>
humdinger: thanks! Will give it a go soon :-)
<Halian>
OscarL: will do
<Halian>
humdinger: I wouldn't be surprised
<OscarL>
humdinger: "in my days" (2005), "consoled" was of dark background, and we didn't even had a working app_server yet :-)
* Halian
is back on Linux for the time being; he originally wanted to copy over his weechat config, but then found that he accidentally wiped an external SSD he uses to get ROMs onto his ROG Ally. Thankfully, he still has them on his desktop.
<humdinger>
No app_server, no crash... :)
<Halian>
humdinger: *taps head*
<OscarL>
humdinger: I was testing my TV/FM capture card driver at the time... so crashes weren't out of the picture :-P
<humdinger>
the olden days, before streaming...
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<dovsienko>
hello all. it may sound unimportant, but I have just noticed a hint to why Clock face in a replicant looks like it has not had my bug fix
<dovsienko>
this is because it indeed has not had my bug fix, because when the replicant starts, the hands are at 00:00, which is a bug in Clock that was fixed before the one I fixed
<OscarL>
humdinger: "I don't C TV" I had named my drivers back then, to convey that: I didn't knew C, or English, and that the driver only really worked for FM audio :-D
<dovsienko>
so the replicant is running from a different binary somewhere
<dovsienko>
I remember someone discusses a similar case not long ago
<OscarL>
IIRC, I asked you about having more than one Clock binary.
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<humdinger>
dovsienko: replicants are found by signature. if you have copies with the same app sig around, the wrong one may be loaded.
<dovsienko>
humdinger: is there someplace where it would be possible to see how many are around?
<humdinger>
(same for About windows)
<OscarL>
"query Clock" ?
<humdinger>
dovsienko: use QuickLaunch and search for "Clock" :)
<dovsienko>
let me try
<humdinger>
it also uses app signatures
<OscarL>
dovsienko: make that "query -a Clock"
<dovsienko>
"query -a Clock" returns 5 files, 4 of which are in my semi-built haiku repository
<dovsienko>
so, the theory is, if I remove the replicant, delete "generated/" and "generated.x86_64/" in the repository and create a new replicant, it will use the correct binary
<dovsienko>
let's try
<OscarL>
mmm somehow "query -a Clock" fails to show me "/boot/system/demos/Clock", but "query -a Terminal" works for finding my several Termimal bins :-/
<dovsienko>
now the replicant looks identical to the main clock. and both have the bug!
<OscarL>
(QuickLaunch properly finds Clock though, wonder if some of my indexes are borked)
<humdinger>
OscarL: the quer in Terminal finds it in Demos here FWIW
<humdinger>
dovsienko: you're on a nightly with that fix?
<OscarL>
humdinger: as it should, yeah... thus why I'm suspecting of broken indexes on this install.
<dovsienko>
although they didn't start at 00:00, and after yet another reboot the hands are correct on both. a bit of a mystery with the feedback loop being longer than I presumes
<dovsienko>
humdinger: yep
<humdinger>
dovsienko: mysterious
<dovsienko>
it looks like in the replicants department changes to the filesystem do not have full effect before a reboot
<humdinger>
but the non-replicant Clock binary had the same bug you said...
<dovsienko>
yes, it seemed so
<humdinger>
spooky... halloween is still a month off...
<dovsienko>
as if the main window was also starting from a partly compiled repository
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<nipos>
Currently looking at tickets that are easy for me to fix,it seems that https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/15946 is already fixed in current Nightly.Maybe someone can have a look at this?
<OscarL>
"query -a Chart" shows /boot/system/demos/Chart, but fails with Clock. Man... this install is cursed.
<PulkoMandy>
nipos: can you find when it was fixed and comment in the ticket with the hrev number?
<nephele>
I was a bit annoyed that i asked about that problem and it was merged quickly without adressing it
<nephele>
i guess in the future i'll just set -1 if i have unadressed comments .-.
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<Anarchos>
nephele you should
<Anarchos>
nephele we expect and deserve the highest quality
<nephele>
deserve? :P
<nipos>
Maybe nobody noticed that it was in fact a problem,because if you use automatic colors,it works fine in dark mode now.Only if you manually set a document text color different from panel text color,you will notice that,in fact,it doesn't work right.
<nephele>
nipos: uhh yeah, but i asked about that exact problem on the review. Wouldn't have been too hard to figure it out then :)
<nephele>
oh well
<nipos>
I already got a clue how that TextDocumentView stuff works.It won't be as easy as ->SetHighUIColor(),but still doable
<nephele>
maybe we should make a break in the api, un-styled textviews should no longer support colors and adopt the set view colors or viewuicolor instead
<nipos>
It's not a un-styled textview and does support different colors within the text
<nephele>
I didn't claim it was?
<nephele>
i was talking about in general, since that behaviour of the standard BTextView seems to cause confusion every time
<nipos>
Ah yes,the BTextView is really not fun to work with
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<nephele>
2hour stream video?
<Anarchos>
nice, falkon is able to run yt
<mmu_man>
it's not only abou Haiku but yeah
<nephele>
qmplay2 cant open it, oh well
<nephele>
getting really annoyed with youtubes monopoly
<nephele>
doesn't really help that i can't really recomend any of the alternatives currently (especiallly not those crazy webtorrent ones)
<nipos>
https://vidlii.com is quite interesting as it has a old-school design and uses rather normal video playback without much obfuscation and HLS crap and such.But it doesn't have a lot of content right now
<nipos>
Besides that,there are a few alternative video sites which I personally like for just not being Google-owned,but technically they don't make our life easier on Haiku
<nephele>
well, i'm not looking at making haiku life easier atm. Video streams just don't work in our webkit port, i'll get to that eventually. But for videos a self hosted thing or medium sized instances would be neat
<nipos>
I totally agree with that.Youtube sucks and it's awful to see those links everywhere.In like 2 or 3% I do the effort to rewrite the link to Invidious,the rest I simply ignore because it annoys me.
<nephele>
invidious only proxies videos if you ask it to, and the default differs between instances, so that is also fun
<nipos>
My uBlock Origin totally blocks all Google domains,so it'll be completely broken in this case,rathern than connecting to Google servers.But yeah,it's not perfect.
<Peppersawce>
so I found 3dEyes's lwjgl 3 port but I have no clue how java works, anybody knows where should those libraries be placed?
<Peppersawce>
Or how to hook up an app to them?
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<Peppersawce>
Huh, I have an issue with workspace 4
<Begasus>
re
<Peppersawce>
If I enter it the screen goes black
<Peppersawce>
it doesn't shut down, it just displays black
<Anarchos>
Peppersawce wrong resolution set for this workspace
<Peppersawce>
and can't turn it back on, have to hold ctrl+alt+del and reboot
<Begasus>
Peppersawce, set screen resolution for all workspaces?
<Peppersawce>
all workspaces have the same resolution already
<Peppersawce>
From PPC overview: "Recently, the lack of easily available and affordable PowerPC hardware has reduced interest in this
<Peppersawce>
port."
<Peppersawce>
Technically aren't PS3s powerpcs? At least I think their cpu is
<Peppersawce>
But they're probably a pain to work with
<Peppersawce>
Asking out of curiosity, out of all the ports I'm still eyeing up arm the most ngl
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<Anarchos>
nipos it is running for 14h, my hdd led is full blank since then...
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<gordonjcp>
Peppersawce: yeah, PS3 "Cell Processor" has one PowerPC host processor and some co-processors
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<Peppersawce>
I'm wondering if it could ever be a viable target for whoever ever works on ppc since it should be relatively cheap hardware
<nipos>
Anarchos: I'm not a expert,but yeah,that doesn't sound right.Maybe try rebooting?That's probably safer than messing around with system services like the scsi scheduler
<Peppersawce>
and also pretty powerful for what it is
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<Anarchos>
nipos i already rebooted. no change : it must be a bfs journal replay...
<gordonjcp>
Peppersawce: if you could unlock its bootloader, yes
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<Peppersawce>
The hacking community around it is alive and well iirc
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<Peppersawce>
and there should be documentation around for the various models, and probably tinkering with that side already
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<Peppersawce>
I know earlier models had support for linux but was patched out later due to "vulnerabilities"
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<gordonjcp>
Peppersawce: it's a lot of effort to go to for something about as powerful as a Core i5 of similar age
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<Peppersawce>
beast targeting rare 20/30+ year old computers in my mind, but I'm just speculating either way
<Peppersawce>
*beats
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<Peppersawce>
ppc port is like a passion project atm anyway
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<phschafft>
nephele: I think another item for my super block todo list is year-2038 updates.
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<phschafft>
as in if we change the super block we can already change those bits as well. doesn't mean the rest of the fs is fine, but it's a first step.
<nephele_xmpp>
nipos: not sure if changing the api makes sense as such. Have you checked how the textview in hd does styling now?
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<nipos>
Colors are set using the SetForegroundColor function on the CharacterStyle,and the value defaults to B_PANEL_TEXT_COLOR and was never set to something else,so there was no way to change colors exposed from MarkupTextView to the function using it (the usage conditions window)
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<nephele>
huh? Renga uses the same view though, and we definetely have text runs with differing colors
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<nephele>
I'm going to investigate that before giving it a thumbs up
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<nipos>
Renga uses MarkupTextView from HaikuDepot?I'll need to have a look at Renga sources then
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<nipos>
Renga uses the textview component from HaikuDepot,but not MarkupTextView.cpp/.h in the ui_generic folder
<nephele>
it does use textviews from haikudepot, not sure if that is the same one
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<nipos>
The textview component does absolutely support different colors,but the simplified MarkupTextView API built on top of it doesn't have any function that exposes the color changing to the code using it.
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<Anarchos>
:i need a solution not to remount this volume at startup
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<Begasus>
unplug? ;)
<Begasus>
diver needs a sollution for his network connection :)
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<Anarchos>
Begasus it is a second partition on the only HDD ...
<Begasus>
Anarchos, in prefs "only the boot disk"?
<Anarchos>
Begasus i thought at that, but as i am connected through RemoteDesktop, i can't access to tracker
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<Begasus>
bummer :/
<Anarchos>
Begasus i wanted to avoid to plug screen/keyboard to the server, but i have no luck
<Anarchos>
no other way
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<nephele_xmpp>
nipos: if markuptextview does not support color slices then it is probably fine
<nephele_xmpp>
but gonna check tommorow... today still testing my new gpu
<Anarchos>
Begasus it doesn't change even without mounting the 2nd partition
<Anarchos>
so the trouble is really a journal issue
<Begasus>
hunting down then Anarchos :)
<Begasus>
hi nephele_xmpp, had any chance to checkout latest neochat?
<nephele>
no, do you want feedback on it?
<nephele>
there is no update available?
<Begasus>
I don't "need" feedback :)
<Begasus>
it's neochat24 for the latest one
<nephele>
?
<Begasus>
24.08.1
<Begasus>
KF5 one is still on 23.*
<Begasus>
so had to make some diff for the recipe name
<nephele>
Why?
<Begasus>
so one can choose one or the other?
<nephele>
why would you?
<Begasus>
fallback?
<Begasus>
did the same for dolphin
<nephele>
just install the old version?
<Begasus>
if you had the old nothing changes
<Begasus>
new has "normaly" build in color themes
<nephele>
that's stupid, now updating is broken for no reason
<Begasus>
why broken?
<nephele>
downgrading already works perfectly
<nephele>
softwareupdate gives me no updates
<Begasus>
yeah, but that's not broken
<nephele>
... it is, i can't install the update with the application ment to do that
<Begasus>
pkgm install neochat24
<nephele>
searching haikudepot manually to figure out your package happens to be 2 years out of date but was renamed for no reason is a terribly experience
<nephele>
there is no ABI break, no API break or anything that would justify having the package there twice. Especially not if you can't co-install them
<Begasus>
pkgman search neochat gives you the 2 versions, not sure why that would be bad?
<nephele>
Sorry, what problem are you trying to solve here?
<Begasus>
I'm not having a problem at all
<nephele>
well, updating packages by updating their recipes worked fine in the past, why start packaging each version as a new package?
<Begasus>
well, I have one, but that doesnt involve packages(*)
<nephele>
it makes the UI more cumbersome to users, and i don't understand the why
<nephele>
updating breaks, and there is confusion if you want to install it
<Begasus>
it's a start, those probably will end up being moved to KF6 and then no conflicts will be around
<nephele>
what conflicts?
<Begasus>
for having both versions around
<nephele>
why would you need both versions packaged seperately?
<Begasus>
KF5 hasn't been widely tested by others
<Begasus>
KF6*
<nephele>
I don't think you will get more testing by making it harder to update
<Begasus>
people may not want to have a full Qt5 or partial Qt6 set of libraries
<Begasus>
anyway, it's there, can still be renamed to obsolete the older one
<nephele>
Sure? then they can simply stay on the old version?
<Begasus>
yeah, you don't "need" to switch to the newer version, just mentioning it ...
<nephele>
if it was just a problem with building for differing frameworks it would be better to have a _kf5 version as a fallback, building the newer version with kf5
<nephele>
if you make it specific to some version that makes little sense
<nephele>
why is 2024 special? doesn't make any sense to me
<Begasus>
well it started out with the libraries, they "can" co-exist, so started to suffix the apps here too
<nephele>
the libraries packages should just be named what they are kf5 or kf6
<Begasus>
kf5=23.9 kf6=24.*
<nephele>
those versions are just based on the time of their release
<Begasus>
I raised a voice at haikuports about it for a library
<nephele>
how will you deal with kf7 beeing released within one yeah?
<nephele>
year*
<nephele>
says 26.3 is kf6, 26.6 is kf7
<Begasus>
that's for the next generation I guess :)
<nephele>
.-.
<nephele>
you should get some branches begasus :P
<nephele>
have a kf6 branch that people can opt into for "testing" and keep the other one on stable, then migrate when all is stable
<Begasus>
frameworks are suffixed with 6 for the frameworks, so adding one for KF7 wouldn't be to hard
<Begasus>
but yeah, already have a few libraries with kf6_ affix
<Begasus>
and kept a KF6 branch at codeberg for quite some time untill I merged it into haikuports
<Peppersawce>
can kf5 and kf6 coexist? If so and this new neochat version is stable I do agree with nephele here
<Peppersawce>
I'd be better for users just to all upgrade to the newer version
<Peppersawce>
*it'd be
<Peppersawce>
if people are using ports like neochat they've probably got qt6 installed anyway (or eventually)
<Peppersawce>
my 2 cents fwiw
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<nephele>
nice, 3 fps in benchmark :D
<Anarchos>
Begasus i know how to deal with that : i must replace 'DIRT' by 'CLEN' in the first block of the partition
<thowe>
qt5 and/or qt6 can be installed and work on Haiku?
<nosycat>
Yes. There are tons of ported apps using them.
<thowe>
Oh, yeah, I should have made the connection... I thought I say Calligra as being available.
<thowe>
s/say/saw/
<Anarchos>
Begasus no luck with my CLEN trick ..
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<Anarchos>
how to delete bfs journal ?
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<Anarchos>
nipos and you didn't get some comments ?
<nipos>
Some received positive comments and then no further activity
<PulkoMandy>
Lack of time on our side to review and merge everything :(
<PulkoMandy>
I'll try to get back to it but I've been busy with upstreaming our webkit port as well as a few non-Haiku things
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<nipos>
Don't worry, I don't expect instant responses :)
<nipos>
The work on WebKit is also very important, still looking forward to adblocking some day :D
<Anarchos>
nipos you have with Falkon
<nipos>
(Looked for a switch to enable it for Webkit Legacy, but I didn't find anything related to adblocking in the build config at all. But maybe I looked at the wrong place)
<nipos>
When I tried Falkon last time, it crashed so often that it was basically useless. GNOME Web also has adblocking, but besides that, WebPositive performs better.
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<PulkoMandy>
I use hblock to block some ads at dns level. It already helps a lot
<OscarL>
(37C ambient... building cmake yet again is gonna be toasty :-/)
<nipos>
I know there are a lot of solutions to adblocking, but having something as flexible as uBlock Origin would be great.
<nipos>
Configurable filterlists and the ability to filter also subdirectories, not only on a domain level. I think that's what the Webkit adblocking would provide when it's ready
<nephele>
yeah pretty much, unreviewed doesn't mean that anything is wrong as such :(
<nephele>
nipos: webkit adblocking is much more efficient than DNS, since it does never have to ask the OS about the domains
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<imrahil>
Por que no los dos
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<Halian>
o/
<OscarL>
o\
<nephele>
o|
<Halian>
o-
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<OscarL>
I think I will have to backup my 32 and 64 bits partitions, wipe them, and do clean installs. Besides the rest of "weirdness" I usually get... "query -a Clock" not finding /system/demos/Clock (on 64 bits) freaks me out.
<Halian>
Oof
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<OscarL>
to be fair, these BFS partitions have been taking quite the beating the last 2.5+ years.
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