<waddlesplash>
I'll just disconnect from EF for tonight I guess
<waddlesplash>
was about to sign off anyway
<adrian_>
ok
<adrian_>
lol and my internet just croaked, nice
<Begasus[m]>
morning peeps
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<Yoke>
So.... I guess I'm daily drivng Haiku for a bit, The psu in my main rig just let out magic smoke....
<Yoke>
My luck is bloody brilliant
<Begasus>
hope it was white smoke :P
<Yoke>
it smelled fishy, the smoke smelled of fish, honestly kinda wierd
<Begasus>
biab
<Yoke>
thing is my rig was my TV too, so unless there are tuner cards that work with haiku I'm out of luck :/
<Yoke>
well, DTV tuner cards
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<Begasus>
Yoke, I wouldn't hold my breath on it, but one never knows without trying :)
<Begasus>
NeoChat 25.03.70 up and running, back in the future ! :P
<Yoke>
NeoChat? that a frontend for matrix or something?
<Begasus[m]>
yeah, matrix client (this one build frrom master branch)
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<Begasus[m]>
well, this is Nheko on Windows :P
<Yoke>
neat, didn't know there was a frontend for that, I'm assuming there's one for discord too?
<Begasus[m]>
not for discord afaik
<Begasus[m]>
never use it myself
<Yoke>
shame, guess the browser one will work for now
<Yoke>
Looking on the foru,s it seems that a version of firefox is being ported, that will be interesting, might finally be able to have an ADblocker that works for vids
<Yoke>
*forums
<Begasus[m]>
there is hblock or something? never remember the name :)
<Yoke>
uBlock
<Yoke>
I think
<Begasus[m]>
Angelfish has it already, Plasmatube working kinda sometimes :)
<Yoke>
I should remember I use Firefox on my main rig
<Yoke>
mind it probably isn't gonna work too well on 4gigs of ram
<Begasus[m]>
yeah, could be a deal breaker
<Yoke>
good thing DDR3 is worthless now
<Yoke>
4 gigs is about 15p at this point
<Yoke>
and 8 gigs is the max this dell supports
<AlienSoldier>
Yoke perhaps you had a tuna card :)
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<MonniTheCat>
Maybe they used tuna oil in the PSU transformer windings ;) Here we just say something let the Smurfs out...
<matthewcroughan>
But in the details, is the thing in the second thread about APE even true?
<matthewcroughan>
"Since it only works on AMD64 instruction set, (or x86_64 as it is also known) it’s sadly, not a replacement for WebAssembly or any other bytecode."
<matthewcroughan>
Cosmopolitan certainly has support for other ISAs, so what's so unexciting about it?
<matthewcroughan>
Have things simply moved on since these threads, to the point where the criticisms aren't true anymore?
<zard>
Not familiar with APE or Cosmopolitan, but I would expect Cosmopolitan builds to be several times bigger than normal builds
<zard>
since it has to include the instructions from several ISAs
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<zard>
Hello Begasus :)
<Begasus[m]>
Hi zard :)
<zard>
I've figured out how to selectively enable join/leave notifications for some people, so I'm now neither spammed by people constantly joining and leaving nor entirely in the dark about people's coming and going :)
<Yoke>
neat
<Begasus>
zard, Notify list?
<zard>
No. I use irssi, so who knows if there's an equivalent for Vision
<phschafft>
with irssi I think there are multiple ways to reduce the spam.
<phschafft>
for example you can set an ignore for join/part matching some users.
<zard>
I did "/ignore * JOINS PARTS QUITS" then "/ignore -except $USER JOINS PARTS QUITS"
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* phschafft
nods.
<phschafft>
something like that.
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<zard>
One of these days, I want to figure out how to hide the "mode/#haiku [+o mmu_man] by ChanServ" message
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<Begasus>
heh
<Yoke>
I like your funny words Magic Man!, that is me rn
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<bbjimmy>
just returned from another haiku lock-up. the mouse worked but i cannot tell if the keyboard worked. no apps could open and the deskbar was non reslonsive. ctrl alt delete did not bring up the Team monitor.
<waddlesplash>
could you enter KDL?
<bbjimmy>
could not close any apps although the close button showed the press.
<waddlesplash>
hmm
<bbjimmy>
don't know hao to do that in this situation.
<waddlesplash>
Alt+SysRq/PrntScrn+D
<waddlesplash>
I got a lockup or two like this yesterday, but I was testing lots of random things in the VM
<waddlesplash>
the backtrace showed it to be the old deadlock between BFS and file cache resize
<waddlesplash>
there's at ticket for that, not sure how to solve it
<bbjimmy>
If i get it again and enter kdl, what info do yoy wand?
<bbjimmy>
*you
<bbjimmy>
want
<waddlesplash>
backtrace of a hung Deskbar thread
<waddlesplash>
if it's hung on "Journal::Lock" inside BFS, then no need for a screenshot
<waddlesplash>
as that's the issue I ran into again yesterday, and there's already a ticket for
<waddlesplash>
will have to take another look at that
<BrunoSpr>
This one is even better... I am not sure if it is correct used! The non-packaged folders there!
<BrunoSpr>
How to select all windows to move them to Workspace 2 ?
<BrunoSpr>
I will get some beer and drink them after work, see you tomorrow...
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<B2IA>
(AGMS) Ha! Just got Haiku R1B5 networking working in VirtualBox. The virtio adapter doesn't work, and claims speeds of 10Gb/s. But if you drop down to an Intel PRO/1000 Server adapter (only 1Gb/s), it works fine.
<B2IA>
(AGMS) And now back to the NABU Z80 project, with 111Kb/s networking. Yup, about 10 kilobytes per second. Twice as fast than the best dial-up modem :-)
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 5d5dabc2ddfa - Backgrounds: Accept color drop only if color picker is enabled.
<AlienSoldier>
AGMS, you got that from back in the old days? Have 2 canadian computer myself :) 2 AES 7100.
<B2IA>
(AGMS) Got the NABU in something like 1984.
<B2IA>
(AGMS) Gave it away to the University of York museum, but after the recent revival (warehouse of new old stock on sale on eBay), trying to code for it in the MAME emulator.
<AlienSoldier>
i have RF network adapter on mine also. They were used at Telus at on point (back then it was quebec telephone).
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<B2IA>
(AGMS) The Nabu had a 6 megabit/sec cable TV interface, and a 111000 bits per sec serial cable, fortunately the adapter box had a hardware buffer to collect data and drip it out to the Z80 Nabu.
<B2IA>
(AGMS) There's a YouTube video of someone engineering the RF signal (and reverse engineering the adapter box) to figure out how it worked.
<B2IA>
(AGMS) First time I've seen a ring buffer done in hardware - there's an address generator chip for that, just add RAM.
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<bydis>
Sorry to ask again (two yeast since last time), i have a radeon card. Can i get 120hz@4k in haiku and does it support the hdmi sound card? or do i still have to use a 3.5mm plug?
<bydis>
the sound quality in any OS is awful with the integrated stuff on the motherboards. The one on the amd 6950XTX sounds rather great.
<bydis>
it is probably a broadcom chip
<dovsienko>
Bydis: ever considered a better hardware sound card?
<bydis>
i have lots of great sound cards, but sadly they are all pci. Can you recommend a good card for pcie that has sound headers for dreamblaster (any version) That woks with Haiku
<waddlesplash>
HDA audio quality is usually fine
<waddlesplash>
but no, we don't support HDMI audio yet
<bydis>
Over HDMI?
<bydis>
oh ok.
<waddlesplash>
I don't know what this would need. most of the time it's just HDA but with extra config needed in the graphics driver
<waddlesplash>
we do support USB audio, but only USB 1.1 cards for the moment
<bydis>
The cables are in the wall. 3.5 is not an option
<waddlesplash>
the cables to your computer are in the wall? ok
<bydis>
except for my personal office
<waddlesplash>
no idea if 120hz works or not
<waddlesplash>
we don't have any GPU acceleration still (well except for one highly experimenal out of tree driver for Radeon Southern Islands) so it'd probably eat CPU like mad
<waddlesplash>
4K definitely works though, I run Haiku on 4K
<bydis>
4k120hz is not a requirement, but 30 hz is too low
<waddlesplash>
well 60Hz is standard...
<bydis>
You might have head of the AMD driver controversy, where AMD was shut out of the HDMI consortium for being to good.
<bydis>
So now they can not legally provide a linux driver over HDMI
<waddlesplash>
lol
<bydis>
that is above 2.0
<bydis>
So all linux devs just said "just get a active dp/hdmi1.2 converter" Yeah i have not found one selling anywhere.
<bydis>
Nördic has one, but it is 50 usd
<bydis>
i hope hdmi dies and displayport (license free) wins. I rarely route for dell, but this design is just better.
<dovsienko>
Bydis: never heard of Dreamblaster before. Asus Xonar works fine in my experience (on Linux), and older models are PCI (and are very cheap) but didn't try it on Haiku
<dovsienko>
perhaps if USB audio works, you could do with one of the USB DACs if sound quality is what you are looking for
<bydis>
USB3/4 can not do 4k@120hz
<waddlesplash>
for audio?
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<waddlesplash>
we don't support USB video out
<dovsienko>
anyway, it looks like there's at least two separate hardware issues here
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<bydis>
dovsienko: Dreamblaster is a chip that let you have roland or even better midi software sound through a regular sound card. The best combo is an Aureal Vortex 2 Black edition with the memory upgrade.
<bydis>
It also works with the emu10k soundblaster, but then you do not get a3d sound
<dovsienko>
I had an emu10k for a while, about 20 years ago
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 319bd18c136c - kernel/vm: Use KERNEL_TOP in place of (KERNEL_BASE + (KERNEL_SIZE - 1)).
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 5cf7633a392d - Revert "kernel/vm: Remove an obsolete comment."
<bydis>
you mount it on the wave header. It is always present on SiS motherboards, soundblaster cards and aureal cards.
<bydis>
best sound is from arual vortex 2 crads manufactured by dell ( black pcb) very sought after by amiga people so they are very expensive.
<bydis>
cards*
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<bydis>
listen to the music from an areal vortex 2 black edition pci with a dreamblaster 2x. Or play Heroes of might and magic 2. Or any game that uses hardware midi and allows for soundfonts.
<bydis>
biip and boops, vs bling blong, vs perfect music
<bydis>
sadly a soundblaster can not reproduce full a 3d midi
<bydis>
that is why the black edition by dell is more expensive than their entire computer setup this day. Noone wants a celeron 300mhz.